Looking at Child porn

In my youth and later, I have seen numerous horrific things. One such example is seeing people slice off their firgertips with a chizel, people being tied between two cars which accelerate only to have the victims arms be pulled off. Sick and demonic acts right? But who hasn’t seen such images?

Who hasn’t seen the monk setting himself on fire?

Who hasn’t seen people jumping out of the NY WTC on 9-11?

Who hasn’t seen victims of the nuclear bombs the US unleashed upon Japanese people?

Who hasn’t seem pictures of Iraq’s whose facial flesh has detached from their head and lies crumpled on some smouldering rubble?

Who hasn’t seen the beheadings of Bigley?

And so on…

The point is, are the people who look at these images as sick or as guilty as those who carry them out? I’d say no. I’d couldn’t do such acts myself, and I got no pleasure when seeing it. In fact I remember seeing one ‘killing’ video involing a Russian soldier (I think he was Russian) and I was in a state of shock afterwards. And when I was in my teens I was in a state of shock for over a week after seeing something gross at a friends house.

So why do I sometimes look at clips of these kinds of things? It is simply curiousity, and when death in involved it is of course chilling but darkly curious, as I know that I myself, will have to go through death. From watching the clip or event, it gives me a clue as to how I might feel, what it might be like, how quickly it happens should it happen to me and how I maybe able to cope with it, also does knowing any of this stuff benefit me?

There isn’t anything pleasurable about it at all, and I find as I get older, I am less able to see such things – even on the TV (which I seldom watch) it is hard to watch even mild violence and so on. Should I go to jail for what I have seen, both innoently and wilfully?

So onto the point. British Comedy actor Chris Langham[1] was sentenced to jail for viewing child pornography. I actually believe what he says about it – that he looked at it for reasons other than pleasure (read the link) . I recall Pete Townsend of the 70’s Rock group ‘The Who’ said he saw some pictures of Child porn but did so for research. – Actually I found it hard to believe him, but could not dismiss his claim becasue he apparently informed a police officer about what he was doing.

Now I can imagine people reading this will get the wrong idea that I’m pro-kid porn. If you think that, you couldn’t be further from the truth, but isn’t this an example of ‘thought police’. People who look at child porn are not actually doing/capturing child pron (and Langham said he didn’t pay for it – therefore not providing incentive for people to make more of it) so why is it illegal to look at it?

Perhaps there’s a ‘gateway’ arguement here, in that viewing porn gives people (men) a ‘head of steam’ to go out and sexually assault and kill the child, or get sucked into the murky child porn culture, but adult porn is allowed (in some “liberal” countries). Who says the effect on men looking at Adult porn won’t feel the same and then go out and do the same thing to a woman? What about homosexual or gay porn? How again can so called ‘liberals’ allow heterosexual gay porn but not child porn? Gay stuff used to be illegal, who is to say in 50 years time the similiar legalization of gay porn won’t happen to child porn?

When does pornography become illegal? When the physical measurement of time moves one second and strikes 12:00 midnight signifying legal age for pornograpic acts where as one second before it was illegal?

Personally I’d welcome destruction of ALL child porn, just I think self proclaimed self-applauding “liberals” on this (and other issues) tie themselves in knots and show that their perceptions are stupid trying to paint shades of grey into things that are actually black and white. Langham’s case demonstrates this well.

Which liberal should we listen to exactly? The one that says 12 year old sex/porn is OK? 16 year old sex/porn is OK? What if the Queen mum (100+ year old) stated in a porn film or some other partially ‘lost’ mental faculties person was involved in such a thing . Would that be OK? And strangely enough the closest thing to Child porn I’ve seen was on the telly in drama’s about child pornographers – typically BBC dramas/thrillers and so on. Should that be illegal too for raising the subject and implying chold porn?

 [1] http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20071120/tuk-langham-porn-viewings-sympathetic-6323e80_1.html

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7 Responses to “Looking at Child porn”


  1. 1 Alex Fear November 21, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    I seriously think pornography is a bad thing and should be reduced if not erradicated (and I’ll admit, just as any man who is honest, I’ve looked at lots of porn in the past along with lot’s of wierd and horrid stuff).

    Natural curiousity, yes I can believe that, I am a naturally curious person myself. I’ve even seen porn where women have been made to look young or wear school uniforms. How many girls of 16-18 years appear in anything from porn to page 3 of The Sun? Some of these girls look far younger and are sometimes even made to appear younger.

    I too felt Langham was genuine in what he said. It’s hard to judge what the evidence actualy was against him, but I certainly think that the offenders who create the stuff should be prosecuted, people who pay for it also, people who store the images on their harddrive- prosecuted/fined. But if they are simply relying on internet history then could it really be a safe conviction? After all before the invention of the pop-up blocker, how could any of us stop vile images from appearing?

    I think Langhams served his time and learned a lesson, but I can’t help thinking that if they ever do invent a machine to read people’s minds, almost every male in the UK would end up on the sex offenders register!

  2. 2 lwtc247 November 21, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    Hi Alex.

    I am glad someone has commented on this post and given an honest opinion. I too have come across various “types” of porn, and I share your opinion that most men, especially young men, would have looked at it in some form or another (even if just leafing through the ladies underwear section of the GUS catalogue) at some stage in their lives, but for reasons we can guess at, they may be reluctant to say so.

    It should be banned, there really is no need for it. It doesn’t bring anything beneficial, and just lowers one’s standing as a person, trying to live a good life. But perhaps I’d have had a different opinion had I never have bitten that particular Adams apple as it were – As we know, it’s easy to be wise after the event.

    Anyway, I’ve never seen child porn – frankly, the prospect of it offering sexual stimulation or awe or whatever you want to call it, has simply never occurred to me, and really I’d say looking at a kitchen cabinet would probably give me more of sexual buzz.

    Re: pop up blockers. I agree. Once at work a very respected Lady colleague sat next to me and we were chatting away. she opened IE and up came a porn home page with a spread-eagled (?) woman in the centre. My colleague was frozen to the spot! It was as if she was looking at it but wasn’t expecting to see such an image that she wasn’t really able to process what it was that was on the screen.
    “Hummm… It looks like you have a problem I said and fiddled around with homepage & cache settings). I heard stories of other colleagues suffering a similar problem.

    As regards to Lingham (or Townsend), we don’t know the evidence I guess, but really what they did I don’t think merits punishment. The social stigma they will carry now will be infinitely worse. They will be forever looked at as being pedo’s which is incorrect.

    Kid porn should obviously be banned and I agree severe punishments should befall those who produce it / do it and distribute it. If all porn was banned, it would only be beneficial, and I’d say the best way to ‘ban’ it would be to have a strong social society which supported a culture of good moral standing amongst it’s members as well as being backed-up on the the legal side.

    Self policing is IMO the prime and greatest defence against all crimes and needs real and honest education (inc. parental education and guidance) to achieve that. Young people (men) shouldn’t live in a society where it’s very easy to stumble of the straight path, but the canonised “libertarianism” provides nothing but banana skins along that path.

    P.S. Did you read about the man who ended up the sex offenders list for “having sex” with his bicycle in the privacy of his own room (he was interrupted by some cleaners). I think that is terrible. I really feel NOTHING negative should have befallen him. And can you imagine how embarrassed the bicycle must have felt?

    — Bike sex man placed on probation —
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7095134.stm

  3. 3 lwtc247 November 21, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    P.S. Some smart person said would a woman be prosecuted if she was using a sex toy? Another example of the strange double standards.

  4. 4 Ahmad Mokhzani November 21, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    Salam Bro,

    Talking about child porn reminds me of the decades of attack by the orientalists accusing the Prophet Muhammad of being a paedophile by marrying Aisyah at the age of 6.

    Did he really marry her at such a young age?

    Well thanks to the work of an Indian sub-continent scholar called MAULANA HABIBUR RAHMAN SIDDIQUI, it was discovered that the age of Aisyah at the time of marriage was in fact 16 and not 6 as alleged by Shiite historians.

    The Prophet was slandered as paedophile ‘thanks’ to those historians who called themselves Muslims but untrustworthy in carrying the historical truth.

    This scholarly work by Sunni historian is very worth reading:
    http://www.darulkautsar.com/pemurniansejarah/teks/umreaisyah.htm

    Please get your wife to translate that.

    Ahmad.

  5. 5 lwtc247 November 21, 2007 at 11:22 pm

    I have heard this accusation a number of times by some of the most vigorous (and the plain ignorant) haters of Islam and Muslims.

    Maybe I shouldn’t entertain this thought any further now, but I’d like to say how I dealt with this in the past…

    I used to argue that if she was 6 when she got married, that does not mean there was sexual relations between them, to which they had no arguement and then just reverted back to their nasty claimes.

    And even if there was sexual relations, then unless God declared it forbidden, then legally speaking, it would not have mattered becasue then it would have been a civil matter and if it was accepted by society then, then it would have been ok. Plus we would not know about whether the child was fearful or willing, eagre or what have you. We is also a point that we would be imposing a current western definitions of rape and so forth on the situation, although the definition of rape across the globe will have very little deviation.

    One more thing is that if the death rate then was very high (I believe in the UK at one time it was about 30+) then of course it meakes sence to get married early. Just how early and to make the appropriate ‘booking’ depends on the societies acceptance at the time.

    In future, when I hear the accusation I will continue to ask them for HISTORICAL reference and put your defense to them. Thank you for the reference.

    Best wishes bro…
    Salam.

  6. 6 Alex Fear November 23, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    Interesting.

    Not that I advocate marrying any earlier than 16, but there are cases of girls as young as 11 becoming pregnant. Over history different societies have had different perspectives on marriage and age of consent, in a technical sense, marriage at 11 couldn’t be that evil if the girl was fully developed (and I realise this would be very few cases).

    6 years old is way too early though, I’m not saying that it’s evil either, but I just think 6 years old is wrong- no girl could be fully developed (both body AND mind).

    Interestingly there was a case in the UK courts recently about a little Island in the pacific(?) that we own, where girls were indeed being married at the age of 12 I think. The reason it caused controversy is that it is a practice from 100s of years ago adopted by the British who settled there continued to present day. It is also an even that the whole family is happy about and is expected- girl reaches 12 she gets married and she has sex with older suitor.

    Doubtless the 12 year old girl is bound to be frightened and nervous, but when it’s basically a social/community appointment, they probably feel much different about it than we do.

  7. 7 lwtc247 November 26, 2007 at 5:37 am

    Yes Alex, I had forgotten about that. It’s the Pitcairn Islands/Islanders in the South Pacific. And I wouldn’t be surprized if the the history of consent on ‘mainland’ UK showed a variation in age also and had periods where it wasn’t regulated.

    Yes a young girl may be nervous and freightened but so may an adult. An adult may also feel pressure from herself or her husband on their wedding night to have sex for example. Are these cases of abuse?

    Feelings of being freightened or scared are less likely if they are with someone who they care about, also only if they have sexual hang-ups whether those hang-ups are justified or not. Even willing 12/13 year olds bave (or try to have) had passionate consentual sex. Should they be locked up and EACH one put on the sex offenders list?

    Western discussion of the role of sex as part of life is wtill quite taboo. So pre-16 girls may be have high levels of sexual ignorance about them and would likely be scared and freightned in a sexual situation. If however you were a native of Borneo or the Amazon, from a people that openly discussed and knew about sex and had eagrely awaited ceremonines marking the turning of sexual childhood into adulthood then such girls are likely to be quite unphazed by it all, in fact they probably get tips on what to do and things to use so that any pain when biting the cherry could be avoided or minimised.

    My Dad used to take me to the dentist where not only was I scared but petrified! I experienced a lot of pain at one particular dentist, yet my father was alloed to put me through that – becasue it was for my benefit? Well, sex within the famework of certain societies and the family, like between a man and wife is for the benefit of that social structure.

    I guess all these arguements demonstrate that Child sex abuse and child exploitation should really be considered individually and in contect of society. If of course that society prohibits as we have in the UK then fine, but each offence still should be considered individually.
    That would inevitably slow down judicial proceedins which is perhaps why there is no flexability on the matter.

    So it seems like current western perceptions here are clouding judgement on this case. Why are the people of the Pitcairn Islands doing something bad when their society accepts it but some people thousands of miles away decide it shouldn’t be done.


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