Archive for December, 2007



 What does that mean anyway?…… “Bhutto was a honoured as a symbol of modernity?”
I’ll tell you want it means, it’s a swipe at Islam, that’s what this BBC jouro is doing here. Islam you see languishes you in a state of backwardness. Islam and disconnect from modernity are close friends. Or so they would have you believe.

How can Islam hold you back? It cannot. There is no Islamic prohibition on the adoption of current working practices, housing, use of transport, most medical advances, use of computers and the world wide web etc etc etc. None at all. What it does maintain, is a code of morality and ritual worship, but such things are not regressive, in fact it is today’s godless society with regards to morality, that have regressed from the great monotheistic moral codes restated 1400, 2000 and 5000 years ago!

But what of modern life? Lets see…

Is not seeing being able to see your kids for over 1/2 of the waking day, 5 days a week, increasingly experienced by BOTH parents (due to economic need) progressive?

Is modern life so good because porn is more widely available to youngsters?

Is modern life so great that now liquidity isn’t measured in terms of how much savings you have to spend, but by the extent of your debt ceiling?

What about Modern life for the poor in industrial countries, where they have little choice but to purchase highly processed foods, some of which have ever increasing GM content inside them? What of your kids’ education and the way they are being taught to think inside the box(pen)? Kids which suffer more commonly from asthma and behavioral problems. They live in a society where in which gun and knife crime cause quite serious concern, and drugs of every falvour are up for sale in a house a couple of streets away. And when not in “school” the kids sit on their bottoms playing computer games or watching utter tripe and propaganda on the TV, and blast their brains with EM radiation from their cellular phone?

Modern life where time for contemplation is a relic, as is the ability be anonymous, if you should so choose, where your life is increasingly bound up in red tape, you are forced to adopt greater levels of ID so that almost every aspect of your life can be spied upon.

What about a world that produces elements like plutonium where one millionth of a gram will kill a man and each nuclear power station produced something like 200 tonnes of Plutonium in its lifetime, not to mention all the other radioactive isotopes from pullution power stations and the hundreds of nuclear explosions that have taken place over 50 years, elements along with depleted uranium which have tetragenic, mutagenic and carcinogenic properties which ncreasingly covering the earths surface. Or where refined mercury is organically fixed into dimethylmercury which proceeds along a concentration gradient which we end up eating and dying from.

Where MASS starvations take place in countries like Ethiopia, Somalia and North Korea, because of political despotism and the political/national borders, and MASS refugee and mass killings occur where In places like India, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Rwanda, Armenia, WW1, WW2, 19th/20th Century South Africa, Argentina, Nicaragua, Shah’s Iran, Russia; Countries where Millions upon Millions of utterly innocent people die or are executed where women and kids are put in concentration camps as the British did in the Boer Wars and subjected the residents there to a scorched earth policy?

We rarely hear those aspects of Modern life, which I think probably negate any so called ‘advancements’ from “modern life”

But lets focus back on Bhutto. Exactly what has been her contribution to modernity? Come on? What exactly did she do? Introduce the motor car to Pakistan? the bicycle even? AC? Satellite communicaation? Did she advance their science sector, the education sector, the transport sector, the health sector? Advance the cause of local and international peace and reconciliation? I don’t think so. Once again another unsubstantiated claim gushes forth from a BBC author’s pen.

I think it’s clear why her supporters lavish this supposed accolade on her because he is perceived as having taken people away from the Islam that they have stuck to and embarked upon bringing to greater fruition having suffered so bitterly on the trail of tears a number of decades earlier, and she was set to attack those who oppose US Zionistic hegemony. If you side with that monster you are progressive.

Remember what false choice which that murderous prick tried to impose upon us ? “You are either with us or with the terrorists”

The BBC in that article says “she was a reluctant convert to politics.” Very clever. Keep the religious connotation and use it to cast a separation between it and politics. Such tricks are easily seen and they reveals the secular mindset – the only mindset that can be permitted to exist. We are being nudged to think Islam cannot be political. It it is radical and rigid. Or so they would have you think.

Bhutto Assassinated?

Wow. All my predictions were that she was to be the be next PM and she and Perverse Musharaf was just setting things up. Wonder who killed her? Well she was going to let the US into Pakistan and wanted to kill more Afghanistani’s as well as Pakistanis in the NorthWest Frontier so there’s probably thousands of people breathing a sigh of relief tonight. Her death is just one. What about ALL the countless, nameless, soulless Iraqi’s and Afghanistan? What about them Benny?

But you have to ask… When will the killing end?

Al Fathiah.

Aao’thu bilahi minash saytanir rajeem.

Bismillahir rahmanir raheem.
Al hamdulillahi rubbil aal a meen.
A rahman nir raheem
Maliki yeow mideen
Iya ka na budu ya Iya ka nastaeen
idh dinas siratalmustakeem
siratal la theena anamta alai him ghairil magdubi alai him ya lad daaa leeen.

God rest her soul and the millions of all other Muslims who NOBODY ever cared about.

25 Jun 2007 – 03:06:10 So, killer Bliar wants to convert to catholicism?


I wrote that headline and post 6 months ago. And finally the multi-million killer did it.

Well bLiar you mass murdering sh.. Your spin, lies, deceipt, and cunnuing doesn’t wash.
You think that pretending to be a Catholic will fool us again? Are you once again displaying your sickening arrogance and lies in pretending to believe in God so that your fellow man will forgive you?
You ignorance, evil acts of murder and gross crimes and defiance of the Pope and utter opposite beliefs to Catholicism dont wash (the blood off your hands).  

If I outlive you, I’m going to dance on your grave you piece of scum, if I don’t, I want to haunt you, If I can’t I want to testify against you as you stand temebling in absolute fear as stand before judgement of God (that you likely don’t believe in).

Forgive me father for I have sinned.
by lwtc247 @ 25. Jun 2007 – 03:06:10
So, killer Bliar wants to convert to catholicism?

Forgive me father for I have sinned. It has been 54 years since my errrm… actually this is my first confession.

Continue my son. Tell me what have you done to displease the Lord.

Well, I broke my election pledges and ended up charging students for their education, then we broke the…

Father are you still there?

What? oh. Who? Errm yes, my son, I haven’t fallen asleep, I mean I’m still listening. Please continue.

Well, you know, then I agreed to support the PNAC plan, becasue, you know, we needed our cut too. So we did 9-11, well, when I say “us”, primarily, obviouly I mean, the Americans, so we did 9-11 to put the PNAC plan into action. It went swimmingly early on but then we got a bit worried. They just wouldn’t stop with their demands for an enquiry. It was quite extraordinary really, only a few people able to raise a few questions deduced by what we did on that day, and they wouldn’t shup up, no matter how George tried to make them look like they were sympathetic to the terrorists. They were able to force the enquiry, and reject Kissinger. But it is also strange that despite more and more people knowing we did it, we still managed to avoid facing the music. George certainly owes one back to Zelikow. Well, OK, I mean I’ve got an international arrest warrant against me at the moment, but we quite safe on the little archepelligo I bought from my kickback from BaE and Al-Bandar. Tim, I told you about Tim didn’t I, Tim Osman that is, he’s there too! Although, got to be a bit careful sipping those coconuts of course, what with that old kidney problem. But I’d like to say the anthrax Idea wasn’t my bidding. In fact we were worried that Dr. Zack would start sending letters to us, becasue you know noone else at Fort Detrick knew what Philip was doing at the time, so father, not guilty on that one.

Yes, Still here Tony.

Then of course, Iraq. We decided to hit Iraq and so had to fix the intelligence around the policy. We had to get our unit in Italy to forge those documents about the Niger uranium. We made a number of cockups, like when in the demonisation phase, we started going on about Halabjah, but then people spoke out that it was our chemical weapons that Saddam was using, people also publically spoke out against the way we buried criticism of Saddam at them time, and that he was our friend then. And I said it still wasn’t too late for Saddam a day or so before we invaded. And that Scott Ritter. What a Bast.. errrm, what a difficult person he was, what with actually ensuring Iraq was disamed. And Blix of course, trying to be impartial. Well, overall thanks to Ali, we did a good job of fearing the country into believing they were 45 minutes from doom, Well, sorry, auto PM mode there, I forgot I have to be honest. I mean we managed to avoid having the document from becoming completely useless when Ali and Scarlet magicked and spun together disinformation and cherry picked nonsese from a students thesis. But we managed to avoid any derailment of the plan thanks to Butler and Hutton, which reminds me, we killed Kelly too.

Then of course the 52 we killed on 7-7. You know, It’s quite amazing how we repeated almost all the same cock-ups that the Americans did on 9-11, but the timing was great, what with sipping champagne with Geldof on my Yacht off Tuscany, conning people into believing we were helping African “debt cancellation” while offsetting it against aid, hah hah hah *cough* sorry Father. Well we managed to get a foot in the door of approving their governments, and blow down the door for our companies to eventually be able to charge the earth for their utilities. And being doing 7-7 when the G8 members were in Scotland. That was a classic.

Then allowing the Israelies to kill over 1000 Lebanonese…

Errrm… Tony? Actually God is all knowing. I think after conduiting through me for -pause- 8 and a half hours, that God doesn’t need to hear any more.

Oh, has it really been that long?


So Father, what must I do for forgiveness?

I don’t think it’s practical to issue a number of hail Mary’s. Errrm… I know you’ve received millions of pounds and are trying to earn more from your memoires, the US dinner speach circuit and the like, so if perhaps you were to donate all the personal profit you made from your actions as ten years as primeminister, and devoted your life to God and always end your prayers asking for forgiveness, then perhaps God will forgive you my son.

Golly Farther. -pause- Tell you what, how’s about a K or a P instead?

Population. Reduction or otherwise?


It is never a good idea to post too rapidly on a blog. The short-termism that has come be be a strong social driving force in most of our lives, either by choice or necessity, means that previous blog entries ascend into blog heaven at a greater pace than is sometimes useful, however, somethimes the urge to post is just too strong and it’s what I’m going to to here. Oh dear.

This post comes from Stef, famous for 15 megapixls[1] post: “C’mon baby take a chance with us“[2] and “The Andrew Gilligan Drinking Game“[3]

A large number of very important issues were raised. I want to extract some of those issues to discuss them more deply. No offence Stef, but I think the they deserve at least an entire thread to themselves (so I post them here)

The first one is population levels.

 There are 9 possibilities:

1) population reduction, food produce increased
2) population reduction, food produce levels maintained
3) population reduction, food produce reduction

4) population level is maintained, food produce increased
5) population level is maintained, food produce levels maintained
6) population level is maintained, food produce reduction

7) population increases, food produce increased
8) population increases, food produce levels maintained
9) population increases, food produce reduction

For the sake of arguement, ‘food’ can be thought of as being replaceable by ‘resources’ or even ‘sustianability’

To me, options 7-9 and in rank order, are the least sensible kinds of situation to get ourselves into. These possibilities would be the likely product of uncontrolled population growth, surely there is some point where population growth is too great for the planet to cope with. This amount would be very difficult to quantify and hence is simply not worth entering into a game which is likely to resemble Russian ruolette. 

The remaining options mean that some form of population control (redutive as in option 1-3, or static in option 4-6) is prudent. This is sensitive issue amongst NWO critics such as myself, but of course, it is very much dependent on how it is done. If it is by consensus and leads to a situation whereby the position of the elite scumbags don’t gain (preferebaly they would lose!) then I can’t see the problem with that. As for consensus, well obviously not everyone would agree to one side or the other, but if the majority of people agree (no kobold diebold’s please!) the only other option is to go back into the more risky 7-9 choices. Population control is strongly associated with eugenics (I hope my good internet buddy antireptliain can make a comment there) rejection of which is of course a no-brainer, but I don’t think anyone (other than the plutocrats) is advocating such a method.

Many people automatically impose their own population control in their own lives. For example, my ex-driving instructor said he didn’t want another child becasue he couldn’t afford it. Others only have one or two becasue that is all they can cope with. China has population control. It has faults no doubt, but perhaps that example of local population control is necessary?

To me I think population reduction (again ensuring the cake that’s left doesn’t go to the elite – danger is of course, how to prevent it from doing so?)  is perhaps the most reasonable choice IF the planet is going to face energy challenges and this seems quite likely. 

But I would hazard a guess that our current population level, albeit high, is currently sustainable. I see market stalls, shops, supermarkets, restaurnats and so forth turn out into the bins, loads of old or slightly damaged produce simply becsue it didn’t meet the critera of profitability. I see natural produce go unpurchased or rejected in certain supermarkets (when they slip through the net) becasue they have some kind of russeting or have an unsymmetrical shape or whatever. I see traders even in poor countires with loads of goods which is also likely to be discarded if they are not exchanged for money.

Credit where credit is due, the big supermarkets ‘Whoops” thier perishables near closing time, albeit to the panic of store mangers who envisage a cue of all customers forming just waiting for the ‘reducred’ labels to be stuck on goods that seconds before would have sold for a higher proce.

I believe is there is enough food for all, and given the power to do so, I would force the most big supermarkets to give say 10 to 20% of the value of their profits to the poor in vouchers either discount or FOC to the poor, and some of this in the form of foodstuffs for people overseas (obviously foods that could be in good enough shape after transport, tinned cans, smoked meats, dry goods, grains adn rice etc) either that or have the supermarkts use this percentage to pay farmers in countries closer to the hungry to ship goods DIRECT to the poor via a non profit organisation, NGO or otherwise.

But I’d go further, I believe option 6 and 3 must be looked at becasue I think the method of food production these days is actually constructing a time bomb for later generations. Sloppy intensive farming – pesticides, GM, ionic non-complexed fertilizers and so forth are already causing us problems[4]. I would like to see a regession to traditional farming methods and put the unemployed people onto the land under the direction of those farmers who know what they are doing and use low level methods of farming organic and GM free.

What is the point in having so many children anyway? I think we’ve all seen examples of where poor people (some sufferingly poor) have large families, sometimes with the rationale that there will be more chance to have a breadwinner in the family. Well, if there were less people in the world, one can imagine there would be more bread per head of population – but as ever, the difficulty is going to be ensuring they actually get that food and not life the life an animal so that some tryant leader , greedy and ungreateful oil Sheihk or some CEO can live the life of Riley.

I think it is beneficial if a world audit (next topic perhaps – a global centre or government) of population and food / resources could be made. I guess someone has already done such a report but I’ve yet to hear about it. Whatever, the side issue of all this is the fact that some are living on the edge of existence while some eat gold leaf fine cakes is disgusting and drastically needs readdressing. Thing is, it involves the whole world undergoing a holistic revolutionary change, and right now, that just ain’t gonna happen.

What’s your view on world poulation levels and resources/sustainbility?


[1] Stef, Famous for 15 Megapixels.

[2] Stefs “C’mon baby take a chance with us”

[3] Stefs “The Andrew Gilligan Drinking Game”

[4]Caulerpa taxifolia – which I suspect is proliferating in synthetic nutrient rich waters

MP’s pay

I am pretty sure ALL married couples have some serious arguments and fall-outs at times. The reason is partly because after a while, you get to recognize the bad and annoying habits your husband or wife has. Harry Enfields squabbling couple sprint to mind but I couldn’t find a pic of that so I’ll put this beautiful couple up here instead. Don’t they look nice!

And so it is with friends too. Perhaps it’s a measure of the strength of the relationship whereby despite it all, you still love (even if the form of love changes over time) each other enough to want to be together, warts and all. 

And so it is to one of my friends. George Galloway. the more I listen to him, the more I find points on which I disagree with him on. This latest one is on MP’s pay.

He seems very much in favour of MP’s getting even more high pay. Once on his radio show’s he said in relation to low pay (BTW: an MP’s salary isn’t actually low!) “If you pay peanuts you get monkeys.” and I think he was specifically referring to MP’s at the time. That disposable phrase is often said about MP’s i.e. If a good Salary is on offer then you get good people wanting to go for the job.

1) But MP’s pay shouldn’t be about the money. It should be purely about PUBLIC SERVICE.

MP’s shouldn’t get ANY pay. Instead, they should have their needs catered for by the state and as a reward be given a good standard of ‘pampering’ (for want of a better word) while serving their country. After their public service stops then perhaps they can start earning cash, but are given practical but basic buffer facilities before they land themselves a job. (P.S. any post public service employment should NOT be one obtained from graft!)

2) Not only that but I seriously question the ‘worthiness’ of the numerous captains of industry and commerce we have today. I am tempted to say people like Adam Applegarth, but that would be too easy and critics would equally say some other person like Richard Branston to pickle out my argument.

3) GG showed the flaw in his purrfect perceptions while frequently lambasting those who give poor pay to nurses, teachers, firemen, police, prison guards and so forth. Yes there people are poorly paid when they start work (like most people starting a job) and there is a case for lobbying on behalf of the persistently poorly paid. But these people, firemen etc, KNOW the peanut level of pay before they go for the job. So GG is calling them monkeys. But of course GG isn’t doing it deliberately, it’s just the consequence of him shooting off one of these stupid phrases, spouted by many and unconsidered by most. So he really has to junk that soundbyte he uses when trying to win his case on this issue.

4) What happened to equality? Why should already well off MP’s get a pay ris when there are people so poor their have to live in run down council housing (what’s left of it that is) and under very testing confitions?

Well, that’s all I want to write on this subject for now. GG has his flaws, but we ALL do. On balance, when it comes to the most important issues, he’s still well worth supporting. If you can’t let inevitable gripes slide, then you yourself become as useful as this…


Data leakage won’t stop issue ID fascism.


I refuse to carry a UK ID card. I refuse to have a biometric passport. I Refuse to have my DNA taken.

I know that stance is going to cause me problems in the future and I am definitely not looking forward to it.

The reason why I take this stance is because I am utterly convinced the UK government will use that data for tyrannical means, and of course others WILL manage to get it and also use it for nefarious purposes.

In contrast to the governments stinking lies and spin about ID, it won’t be anything other than a new powerful tool to allow them to toughen their fascist grip over the people and spy on them with ease and impunity; The establishment still don’t get it do they? Their role is supposed to REPRESENT the common citizen,  NOT ‘rule over’ then, dominate them or oppress them. A government of the people for the people. Difficult for elitists to come to terms with that isn’t it? – Power to alter other peoples lives is an awesome aphrodisiac. Loss of it must be avoided.

Anyway, perhaps I shouldn’t get so steamed up about it. After all it’s a nakedly secular system, something I must disagree with, something that will always be doomed, being built upon the flippant and erroneous perceptions of mankind, laced heavily to allow the pursuit of selfish indulgence. That’s secularisms bedrock, but it would be foolish to ignore that there is some well intentioned people and policy that accompanies it. But I do get steamed up about it because secular laws impinge upon me, those I love and those I regard as friends. Not only that, but I energize myself on this topic because it is to detriment of my fellow man whether they realize it or not, and given the practicalities of le heure d’jour, who not make the most of a bad situation? After all, didn’t Joseph (Yusof) – the prophet with the amazing coat, advise the Pharaoh (Fir-a’oun)? Yeah, I’m not Joseph of course but perhaps the lesson can be applied?

But I predict, like in almost ALL other cases, my fellow Brits will just obey the Sheepdog. Perhaps they’ll hold a ‘feel-good’ march and then kowtow afterwards leaving just a handful of highly principled people behind. Certainly, that’s what the historical body of evidence suggests will happen.

I dunno… Sometimes you have to wonder what’s the point in doing it?, not just about this topic, but other related issues too. In the end, if your life to have any meaning whatsoever, you really do have to take a principled stance on some issues. And I am quite happy with the level of research I’ve done into all this to believe that I am in the right camp.

I just hope it will mean something when it all pans out.

I’ll finish on these quick points:

The more ID we have in this world, the more ID related problems we will face and the greater the seriousness of these problems. I want a society where is about the same as the current level ID or perhaps even a lower level than what we have now, because I believe that the liberty from anonymity is more beneficial than any problems that stem from less anonymity.

More ID will not stop terrorism. It will make any terrorists harder to spot.

Why do we need more ID as opposed to the ID level we had previously? Were on a circular esculator here folks!

Latest ID pantos:

Anger as NHS database records lost

Police staff disc found at dump

Worthy sites: 

Russia tramples on the grave of the NPT.


Like ALL countries that have nuclear weapons, Russia has no intention to scrap them, in fact it’s upgrading them, Just like the UK is upgrading theirs, just like when France exploded nuclear explosions in the South Pacific.

Well done Russia for staying in the league of devils.

The NPT isn’t worth the paper it’s written on !!!

In light of this, we may empirical conclude that in order to best protect your country from savage regimes like the US or UK, then one should develop ones own nuclear deterrent.

Critics may argue that the more nuclear weapons we have, the more likely it is that they will be used – see Dr. Helen Caldicott[1], Founder & President, Nuclear Policy Research Institute (NPRI) speech in 2005 at the KL Peace Forum, in which she describes how we were within ten seconds from being annihilated in Jan 1995 when mad drunk Yeltzin opened the ‘football’.

But the US will never give up its nuclear weapons, either will Zionist occupied Palestine – ESPECIALLY Zionist occupied Palestine (read some religious history to figure out why) and so the ideal whereby nuclear weapons are a thing of the past, simply is just extending the time period that these nations have nuclear weapons as the ‘process’ of lobbying goes on (c.f. the Iraq anti-war movement in the occidental countries).

Is it possible that by proliferation, the danger of nuclear war WILL get so great that we will be forced to come to our senses on this issue and not just scrap nuclear weapons but actually seek global peace? Deadlines can do that and on the nuclear holocaust issue, the word deadline is both literally and metaphorically appropriate.

Put yourself in the hands of a country like North Korea. If the US attacks, what difference does it make to them if they are killed by chemical weapons (like white phosphorous that the US used in Fallujah) or by a nuclear explosion? At lest if they have a nuclear deterrent, the chance of a US attack is virtually nil.

So then, with yet another affirmation of the death of the NPT, shouldn’t smaller countries develop their own nuclear deterrent?



Juba and friends latest movie. Baghdad Sniper 3

Update, April 29, 2012: “The Iraqi Resistance is still fine”
An interview with Dr. Mohammad Bashir Al-Faidhi, the Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq – April 2012 [ 87659 ] –
Questions by Snorre Lindquist

Image c/o:

Very slick and very media savvy, the legitimate Iraqi Resistance releases its latest ‘Juba the sniper’ style video.

Baghdad sniper 3

More USans and Brits need to see this to make them angry at how their governemnt sent the troops over there on a lie and are being picked off so easily. You control the telly, you control people (or more correctly,  enough to matter)

The USUK play a MASSIVE role in censoring footage like this for that very reason. They are also lie about the numbers of casualties as the IR spokesman says. I like to refer to this report as an example of how the US lies about its losses…

Title:  Where have all the young men gone?

About US troops being buried in mass graves to avoid being recorded as a death. What a great way to treat the people you lies to and fight (for that lie) on your behalf, and of course, Reuters cameraman,  Mazen Dana, who discovered a mass grave dug by U.S. troops to conceal the bodies of their fellow comrades killed in Iraqi resistance attacks, and other graves shortly before the US shot and killed him.

The hight casualty rate in Iraq continues. Don’t believe the lies. And of course the casulaty rates of Iraqi’s who hever did a days harm to any USan eclipses all and any casualties of the invading hoards.

Hang Bush, Hang bLiar, Hang Azanr, Hang Little Jonnie Coward for theit filthy crimes.

Brian Haw for Mayor of London

Throw out the idiot who’s currently doing nothing but supporting the Political rot in Westminster.

Support Brin Haw for the introduction of conscience, morality and humanity into the centre of global imperial power.


A case for anti-vaccination

Vaccination. If the concerns of those who deeply oppose aspects of Big Pharma are right, then this 10 minute clip video is very serious indeed. It’s an issue most people find hugely polarizing. What’s your take.

My transcription below:

Video starts:

—- Footage of Dr Maurice Hilleman appears as does  the url, {corrected URL 17th/1/08} his name and the title of the documentart this clip comes from: In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism.


   Commentator of “inlieswetrust”:

Listen now to the voice of the worlds leading vaccine expert Dr. Maurice Hilleman. Chief of the Merck pharmaceutical companies vaccine division, relay this problem he was having with imported monkeys. He best explains the origin of AIDS, but what you are about to hear, was cut from any public disclosures.

[00:23] Hilleman:  “And I think that vaccines have to be considered the bargain basement technology for the 20th Century.”

Commentary from the program “the Health Century” by Blackwell:
50 years ago when Maurice Hilleman was a high school student in miles city Montana, he hoped he might qualify as a management trainee for the local J C Penny store. Instead, he went on to pioneer more breakthroughs in vaccine research and development than anyone in the history of American medicine. Among the discoveries he made at Merck are vaccines for mumps, rubella and measles.

Interviewer: “Tell me how you found SV40 in the polio vaccine?”

Hilleman:  Well that was in Merck, I came to Merck and I was going to develop vaccines, and we had wild viruses in those days, you remember the wild monkey kidney virus’s and so forth, and I finally after six months gave up. I said that you cannot develop vaccines with these damn monkeys. Were finished and if I cant do something about it I’m gonna quit. Am I going to try it? So I went to see Bill Mann at the Zoo in Washington DC and I told Bill Mann, I said “Look, here’s a, I got a problem, I don’t know what the hell were doing, Bill Mann is a really bright guy, and I said these lousy monkeys are picking it up  while being stored in the airports, in transit at these loading offloading and loading. He said its very simple. He said you go ahead get the monkeys out of west Africa, and get the African Green, bring ’em into Madrid. Onload them there, there are no other traffics through there for animals, Fly them into Philadelphia, pick ‘em up. Or fly them pick ’em up in New York and pick ’em up. Right off the airplane.

[2:16] Hilleman: So I brought African Greens in. I didn’t know we were importing AIDS virus of course at the time.”

[2:23] Interviewer: “Oh, it was you who introduced AIDS virus of course into the country.”

Female interviewer: “Now we know”

Interviewer: “This is the real story”

Female interviewer: “It came late”

Male Interviewer 2: “What Merck wont do to develop a vaccine.”

Female interviewer: “Yeah right”

[2:39] Hilleman:  So what he did, he brought in, I mean we brought in those monkeys. Now we had those, and this was the solution. Because those monkeys didn’t have the wild viruses but we had all of these…

Interviewer: But, wait, Why didn’t the Greens have the wild virus’s since they came from Africa.

[2:55] Hilleman:  Because they weren’t, well they weren’t, they weren’t being infected in these group holding things with all the other 40 different viruses.

CENSORED INTERVIEW scrolls across the screen

Interviewer: But they had the ones they brought from the Jungle though.

[3:04] Hilleman: Yeah, they had those, but they were relatively few. What you do is  you have a gang housing, your gonna have an epidemic transmission of infection in a confined space.”

Interviewer:“Oh is that the problem.” said quietly said in a moment of realisation.

[3:16] Hilleman: “So anyway, the Greens came in, and now we had these and then, were taking our seed-stocks to clean them up and, God, now I’m discovering new viruses, so I said, Judas priest(?). Well I got an invitation from the Sister Kenney foundation you know which was the opposing foundation and I was the live virus, yeah, they had been jumped on Sabins {Dr. Sabin} bandwaggon. And then asked me to come down and give a talk. but uh at the Sister Kenney foundation meeting and I said (and it was an  international meeting)  ‘God, what am I going to talk about? I know what I’m gonna do, I’m gonna talk about the detection of non detectable viruses as a topic.”

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All vaccines contain foreign DNA, RNA and proteins that may promote allergies and autoimmune diseases from bacteria, viruses, fungi, yeast, bovine fetal serum, monkey kidney tissues, toxic metals mercury and aluminium, MSG and corpse preservatives formaldehyde and formalin. Also footage showing University of Pittsburgh. Virus Research Laboratory. DR. JONAS E. SALK

[4:03] Dr. Albert Sabin, Polio Vaccine Pioneer: “There were those who didn’t want a live virus vax(vaccine)(?) Concentrate, national foundation for Infantile paralysis, concentrated all its effots on getting  more and more people to use the killed virus vaccine while they were supporting me for research of the live virus vax.

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[4:22] Hilleman: So now I gotta have something you know that’s gonna attract attention, so I thought gee that damn SV40, I mean that damn vacculating agent that we have…”

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“Vacculating viruses” cause cancer

Hilleman continues: “…I’m gonna just going to pick that particular one. That virus has got to be in vaccines. And uh, its gonna be in the Sabins vaccine so I quick gone(?) and tested it. Sure enough it was in there. And..”

Interviewer: I’ll be damned.

Hilleman: “So now uh, so I go ahead and uh..”

Interviewer: “So you just took stocks of Sabins vaccine of the shelf here at Merck.?”

Hilleman: Yeah well, it had been made at Mer.., it was made at Merck.”

Interviewer: You were making it for Sabin at this point?

Hilleman: Yeah, it was made before I came”

Interviewer: Yeah, but at this point Sabin is still just doing these massive field trials”

Hilleman: Um huh (agreeing)

Interviewer: OK

Hilleman: “In Russia and so forth so I go down…”

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Initially millions of Russians, later millions of Americans, were poisoned with cancer virus laced polio vaccines, scrolled across the screen.

Hilleman: “…I talked about the um, detection of non detectible viruses, and I told Albert, I said listen Albert, I said ‘you know, you and I are good friends but I said, I’m gonna go down there and you’re gonna get upset. I’m gonna talk about a virus that’s in your vaccine, now you’re gonna get rid of the virus, don’t worry about it, you gonna get rid of it, but um, um, so of course Albert was very upset with me.”

[5:47] Interviewer: “What did he say”

5:48 Hilleman: Well he said basically that this, this is just another obfuscation that is going to upset vaccines. and I said ‘well you know your absolutely right but I said We have a new era here, we have a new era of a detection, and the important thing is to get rid of these viruses.'”

Interviewer: “Why would he call it an obfuscation if it was a virus that was contaminating the vaccine?”

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40 different viruses in these vaccines…Not all inactivated, scrolled across the screen.

[6:07] Hilleman: “Well No, because we, well there are 40 different viruses in these vaccines anyway that were inactivating, and uh,”

Interviewer: “But you weren’t inactivating the, his {Sabins} though.”

[6:18] Hilleman: “That’s correct, No that’s right, but yellow fever vaccine had leukemia virus in it, and you know, this in the days of very crude science. So anyway I went down and talked to him and Albert said well “Why are you concerned about it?” I said, well, I’ll tell you want I said, I have a feeling in my bones that this virus is different I, I don’t know why to tell you this but I’ve been around viruses(?) a long time, I just think this virus may have some long term effects.

Interviewer: um huh (in agreement)

Hilleman: and he {Sabin} said ‘what’?… {Inaudable but Hilleman’s answer to Sabin that follows is very clear…} Cancer”

Interviewer: I love it. Go ahead.  {!??!??}

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This initiated the global cancer pandemic more than anything else, scrolls across the screen.

Hilleman: And Albert said uh, “No”. I said, “Albert” I said. “I, you’ll probably think I’m nuts, but I just have that feeling. Well in the meantime we had taken this virus and had put it into monk, {corrected} into hamsters. So we had this meeting and that was sort of a topic of the day, and the jokes that were going on was, ‘gee We would win the Olympics because uh, the Russians would all be loaded down with tumours.

Laughter {!??!??}

Hilleman: “This is where the vaccine was being tested. This was {inaudible}..”

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Interviewer: Yeah right, right (in agreement)

Hilleman: So uh, and it really destroyed the meeting, (inaudible} you know it was a big one around(?)

Intervirewer: Yeah right (in agreement)

Hilleman: “and so it was sort of a topic. Anyway.”

Intervirewer: “Was this the Cancer society meeting in New York, uh, Cancer society?”

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Hilleman: “No no, it was the uh,Sister Kenning(?) meeting one”

Interviewer: “Oh sister Kenney”

Hilleman: “And Del-Becko got up and he said um, that he foresaw problems with these kinds of agents”

Interviewer: “Why didn’t this get out in the press”

Hilleman: “Well I guess it did, I don’t remember we had no press release. Obviously you don’t go out. This is a scientific affair within the scientific community.”

News paper headline:

Salk Vaccine Hailes as Medical Victory.

Subheading: End of Dread, Crippling Disease Within the space of Two Years Now seen a possibility.

Main text: No Fatalities Reported Among 460,000 Children Who Got Three Shots Last Year.

Bold text: First and Second Graders (About 250,000) to Get Bay State Injections


Commentary: An historic victory over a dread disease had dramatically unfolded at the University of Michigan. Here Scientists usher in  a new medical age with the monumental report to prove the Salk vaccine against crippling polio, to be a sensational success. Its a day of triumph for forty year old Dr. Jonas E. Salk, the developer of the vaccine. He arrives with Bazel O’Connor, head of the national foundation for Infantile Paralysis which financed the tests. Hundreds of reporters and scientists from all over the nation gather for the momentous announcement.

[8:45] Dr. Albert Sabin:  “It was too much of a show. There was too much Hollywood. There was too much exaggeration. And the impression in 1957 that was, no, in 1954 that was given was that the problem had been solved, that Polio had been conquered.”

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We knew it [SV40] was in our [vaccine culture] seed-stock.” Cancer Virus SV40

[9:02] Hilleman: “But anyway {inaudible} we knew [SV40] was in our seed-stock for making vaccine, scrolled across the screen, followed by “It was good science at the time”

Hilleman: “… and we know it  was in our  seed-stock for making vaccine, That virus you see is 1 in 10,000 particles, is not inactivated by formaldehyde. It was good science at the time because that was what you did. You didn’t worry about these wild viruses.”

Interviewer: “So you discovered it wasn’t being inactivated in the Salk vaccines?”

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Conflicting Interests: The Merck Drug Company received a lion’s share of the Nazi warchest at the time company president, George W. Merck, was America’s biological weapons industry director, scrolled across the screen.

Hilleman: “Right, so then, the next thing you know is, 3, 4 weeks after that, I found that there were tumours popping out on these hamsters.”

New presenter: “Despite AIDS and lukemia becoming suddenly pandemic from wild viruses, Hilleman said this was good science at that time.”

Dr. Hilleman died April 11, 2005.

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There are a few main issues.

1) Hilleman and the company he worked for was responsible for the introduction of HIV into the human population. Dr. Brian Martin gives a good support to this theory.

2) They are responsible for injecting people SV-40 a cancer inducing virus (sidenote this explains the large resistance to associating virus’s with cancer – a cause of cancer that finally became accepted approx 10 years ago)

3) They knew harmful substances were included in vaccines

4) They  failed to ensure they knew the entire contents of their vaccine

5) They failed to purify the active components of their vaccine for use.

6) They failed to ensure components of the vaccine had no negative effects.

7) They have failed to address and compensate the victims of their dash for cash.

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