rachel-north-liar-and-charletane

= NOTHING TO DO WITH ME !!!

I have just followed up a link to a Rachel North ‘exposed’ website. The link was posted on StefZ’s website and points here: http://rachel-north-liar-and-charletane.blogspot.com/

There is text there taken from a blog post I made about Rachel North.

One bit that I instantly recognised was this

Jon then talks to Rachel North. Rachel recounts of her experience in the bomb train (Piccadilly line) which she boarded at Finsbury park. Rachel says “I felt this huge {pause} POWER smashing me to the floor.”

Ooooh Rachel that was close. Were the words ‘heat blast’ or ‘fireball’ on the tip of your tongue then? Rachel, do be careful. Remember, there’s a conspiracy to ignore.

But wait, what’s this? Rachel says “The air was thick with smoke” Hummm. Interesting. SMOKE. Something’s burning right? What causes smoke? Heat or fire, for example incendiaries – incendiary explosives. Why and I talking about fireballs, smoke and incendiaries? Well, because TATP, the supposed explosive used, doesn’t give off flames or significant heat when it explodes. Oh dear Rachel…. I’m not saying your lying,

It comes from my post entitled:

 

“Mad yelling wild eyed loons.”

by lwtc247 @ 18. Jun 2007 – 05:38:42

on my http://lwtc247.blog.co.uk blog.

I want to say: I have nothing to do with that rachel-north-liar-and-charletane blog at all. Even if the author/s of rachel-north-liar-and-charletane share exactly the same opinions as me, or otherwise, I don’t want people using what I write of think about her, to be spun into some kind of critique that my words not meant for.

My views on RN are perfectly clear. I am not ashamed for thinking what I do about her. I have written how I feel about her and directly to her (waiting now to hear back from her saying she’s never ever commnicated with me – as she does) But I don’t like the way my comments are used on that website. I am also perfectly willing to junk my opinion of her should I come across information which shows my current belief about her to be wrong. {been waiting a long long time!}

If my comments were referenced to my http://lwtc247.blog.co.uk website and it was clear my commentary was my own opinion at the time of writing, then fine… but it doesn’t.

It gives the impression I am a co-author or contributor or in some way connected to that site which I am not.

There. The record is put straight.

Here’s a comment I just sent them:

You have lifed text from my blog.co.uk website about Rachel North (e.g. when she talks with Jon Ronson about the explosion on ‘her’ carraige) and woven them into your website as if it is your own work.

Whether or not I share the same opinion Re: Rachel North as you do. I do not want you to use my stuff unreferenced and in this fashion.

Please quote me and make sure you state what I write is my personal opinion about Rachel.

<a href=”https://lwtc247.wordpress.com”>lwtc247</a>

21:19 BST (my computer time) 05-July-08

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253 Responses to “rachel-north-liar-and-charletane”


  1. 1 user July 6, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Off topic…

    Dear friends, for some days now i haven’t access to the website of Iraqwar, iraqwar.mirror-world.ru

    Is anything going on? My browser can’t log on to Iraqwar at all. Is anyone else having the same problem?

    Thanks

  2. 2 lwtc247 July 7, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Hi user.

    I’ve used the http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/ ( or http://www.iraq-war.ru/ ) site for about 4 years now. It is a great compilation of important stories from many good and/or interesting websites around the world. But it’s commentators are perhaps what gives it that extra shine.

    I cannot access those URL’s either, but experience doesn’t make me panic. It frequently goes offline for a couple of days.

    Most users are of a conspiraloon hue, so naturally they get worried when they can’t access it.

    Don’t worry {- JUST YET}, simply give it a bit longer.

    Tattie bye…

  3. 3 user July 8, 2008 at 8:59 am

    OK, thank you a lot lwtc247, the site is back on…

  4. 4 Peter Goring July 8, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Having read a lot of your writing, I’d like to ask you – what is your “day job”? And, given the right channel, what would your ideal job be? And if it were writing, for what paper? I must say, I can’t quite understand you.

    Given what you say of others, I think you need to post up a manifesto of your beliefs? Spend some time writing exactly who you are, and what you believe in. What you do to pay your mortgage, who you are married to. Be clear what you write. Question yourself. Be sure that what you write is definitively who you are and who you live with, what you are about. I’d like to see that.

  5. 5 lwtc247 July 9, 2008 at 5:57 am

    what is your “day job”? – My profession lies in the Physical Sciences

    And, given the right channel, what would your ideal job be? – I think I’m pretty close to that already, but I would like it if some of the things I’ve designed or improvements I envisage, could be brought into reality at the snap of my fingers.

    And if it were writing, for what paper? I don’t think I’d like to write for a paper as I’ve not seen one that has no limits on what can be said – and I suspect I’d often pass through those limits. Plus a paper wouldn’t have me as I think your post above makes clear.

    I must say, I can’t quite understand you. – Some specific points would be helpful.

    think you need to post up a manifesto of your beliefs? – I was actually composing a manifesto. Not of my personal beliefs – what’s the point of that?, but of improvements to the political crap I see around me today.

    Spend some time writing exactly who you are, and what you believe in. – that should be clear from my posts. Here’s a summary:

    Believe in God.
    Follow the Islamic method of worshipping God.
    Believe in speaking out against propaganda, phoney science, manipulation, oppression, newz and so on.

    who you are married to. – relevance???

    Be clear what you write. – I know sometimes I’m not. I don’t pretend I don’t fall down on that point at times. I’ll try to improve.

    who you live with – as earlier… relevance?

    Everyone has quirks. Mine? probably a few more than others. But I also don’t feel the need to discuss my personal life when unnecessary.

    Thanks for contributing.

  6. 6 Anonymous July 11, 2008 at 4:41 am

    Lots of people in London and Oxford gave Felicity a chance. Jake emailed her with his anguish over his upbringing – she published it. When HE was a “ragamuffin”, as she blogged, he had no choice. She later went on to publish an email where he told her to “fuck off”. The poor chap has been “exposed” as a man who has struggled to disown himself from a deeply troubled mother….

    Lots of people have given her chances.

    Now, in her “new blog” she basically hates Rachel. She’s courting people she despises. She wants them to focus on a hate figure. Speaking of someone’s deceased mother, or husband, or father, or of a near-death rape (even suggesting she is a sex offender since the violent attacker was 17…), is bad enough, because it just destroys any credibility. You think Rachel caused the death of her mother? Go there. Think she is so awful she goes to spend the night in a nice hotel, getting away from things? Go there. Insurance scam? Blah.

    Whatever, it is hardly relevant to you or your beliefs, is it? I disagree with what you think, but I don’t go that far? That is the very definition of free speech, in my view. Have the right, and the right should be deserved.

    *****

    For the people who attack Rachel, I hope they realise that this particular blog is not worthy of any critique or support, and contributing to a “hate blog” undermines any genuine beliefs.

    As much as one might have thought one disliked someone, the hatred is so pathological, personal and completely irrelevant to any issue anyone else might have, that it discredits any political viewpoint.

    ANY dissenter to the views Rachel has, has the right to express that. I hope they have the humanity to see how certain blogs might be set up for quite the wrong reasons, as is Lowde’s career. Can you spot the signs?

    What one comments is entirely one’s right – but I think in the case of this distressing blog, anyone’s decency and intelligence will steer clear from it, seeing that it is really only about malice. Playground bullying on a larger and nastier scale. Felicity is known for her school days, by many people who have no unified political beliefs, but know a life-long bully – the worst type – one who had the opportunities but squandered them and now spends their life blaming others.

    She has no life – she has lost her son. She has no career, she has never been to Oxford University, never been a clinical psychologist. She is a liar, a dangerous person and a serially convicted harasser since 1995.

    That is no conspiracy.

    Avoid at all costs.

  7. 7 lwtc247 July 11, 2008 at 4:52 am

    I must admit, I had a passing thought that FJL was ‘behind’ it. Somethings look as if they involve her, but others make me think it’s not her (or just her).

    How do you know> it’s her? Anyway, I’m really not interested to be involved in a new round of RN vs FJL, so if the blog is hers, I’ve made my detachment from being a part of it quite clear.

    HAving said that, danger/liar or not, she still has a right to say such things.

  8. 8 values July 11, 2008 at 8:32 am

    “she still has a right to say such things”

    Here we go again.

    Free speech? The writer of that blog has no interest in free speech. she censors without compunction.

    Free speech? Well, usually that is supported within the bounds of fair comment and excludes hate speech, libel, wild allegations/smears etc. – and Harassment. There is no public interest defence for that blog.

    RN killed her mother? She immediately thought of a career in journalism as soon as the bomb went off? She cunningly took out special insurance then got herself bombed?

    And yes she has scars. On her face.

    “How do you know> it’s her?” Is it fjl? Only someone with a vested interest in the existence of conspiracies would dwell on that question for long. It is not a matter of criminal proof here. No one else in the world could possibly waste that amount of time on something so blatantly vicious, so illogical, so badly constructed – and so utterly futile. Cui bono? Someone with a lot o time on their hands and alot of hatred in her heart.

    Anyway, well dome for having nothing to do with it.

    PS: just to be quite clear, her views on 7/7 are diametrically opposed to yours. She thinks the official story is watertight and that the security forces should be left alone. Feeling used yet?

  9. 9 values July 11, 2008 at 8:54 am

    PPS. I am not trying to be provocative and I do not require a reply. I had no desire to say anything here until you, quite gratuitously, brought up free speech in the last portion of what otherwise seemed to be a sensible reply to anonymous above. We have all had quite enough of our time wasted by that vacuous woman.

  10. 10 values July 11, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Gah!

    PPPS: apologies. It wasn’t you that brought up free speech, it was anonymous. You therefore did not bring it up gratuitously. Withdrawn. Sorry.

    But – that is a hot button for me, because it is fjl’s one threadbare connection to respectability, and people must not be fooled by it. She has no commitment to freedom for anyone but herself. And by anyone’s standards the uses she chooses to put her freedom to are utterly shameful.

  11. 11 lwtc247 July 11, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Here we go again. – No please! Let’s not, but here’s a reply as a thanks for your time in leaving a comment…
    RN killed her mother? – Whoever said that is pretty low but any mark, and that probably extends to any other similar comment.

    It may well be her writing that blog. But please forgive me for not wanting to go through all this RN FJL stuff again. It never gets anywhere.

    her [fjl’s] views on 7/7 are diametrically opposed to yours. – maybe {I admit I’ve never enquired about it, other than taking not of a Bridget Dunne comment to the effect that fjl couldn’t really be considered a CT’er} and if so I think she’s sorely mitaken but like RN’s and any other beievers who subscribe to the state peddled conspiracy, that’s their perogative, even if I spend large amounts of time trying to persuade people otherwise.

    Feeling used yet? – not really, but not so happy that my words were used for purposes of spin in ways I may not have have intended.

    I am not trying to be provocative – Don’t worry. Even if you were I wouldn’t begrudge you right now.

    I think me raising the issue of ‘free speech’ was valid and not gratuitous.

    PPPS: apologies. It wasn’t you that brought up free speech, it was anonymous. – just read that. Don’t worry, I’m really tired and didn’t even notice myself that it was anon who brought it up. LOL. I need sleep – trouble is when I start thinking of moving to get some sleep I start to wake up! Humph.

    fjl’s one threadbare connection to respectability, and people must not be fooled by it. – then if youy believe so, you are doing well to speak out against it and you’re comments are more than welcome.

    Don’t really want to spark anything off here, but similiar things about RN and her buddies “discussing” fjl could have similiar accusaions of ‘shameful’ standards of freedom [of speech].

    Well anyway, thanks for the comments.

  12. 12 values July 11, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Thanks, that covers it for me.

    Sleep well.

  13. 14 neverinthatcarriage July 12, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    The authors of the blog ‘neveron that carriage’ wish to remain anonymous and have no connection with anyone previously asociated with Rachel on the Internet. Rachel’s hideous attacks on people ( poor Felicity seems to be one of many) are a source of interest generally.

    Thankyou.

  14. 15 neverinthatcarriage July 12, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    P.S.

    Have you thought that the vicious diatribe above directed at fjl – who – if you take a look around the web- did nothing but have the misfortune to come across the Rachel North shrew- might be coming from the recesses of Rachel North’s vacuous imagination?

    People have been telling us that Rachel North often invades others’ blogs with rhemes of unsubstatiated vitriol and falsehoods about others.

    The diatribe above about the Felicity woman looks like vitriolic abuse of an innocent person.

    This, we are told, is not untypical.

  15. 16 Anonymous July 13, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    Hello Felicity,

    How did the ‘retrial’ go? Been found not guilty yet? Thought not.

  16. 17 lwtc247 July 14, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Look. Please don’t instigate another round of RN vs. FJL.

    No one knows who’s behind the site ‘never on that carriage’. It is not unlikely that there are other people out there who have a bone with RN other than fjl. I had some of those bones and that’s why I wrote my posts about her.

    I agree that a post above is heavily critical of fjl and it may be out of place, but it was submitted and I’m leaving it there and as it was the first comment I replied to it.

    Now that I’ve issued this plea, I hope not to get any more anti/pro RN/FJL posts on this thread.

    I would however expect discussion on the content of the site mentioned. Not supposition on who wrote it – that’s pointless.

    So don’t attribute defenders of ‘never on that carriage’ as being one fjl. Thanks.

  17. 18 anon July 14, 2008 at 10:00 am

    The site makes the following extremely serious allegations.

    – that RN was directly responsible for the death of her mother
    – that any writing about grief by RN is ‘suspicious’
    – that RN was not on the bombed carriage on the Piccadilly line, but deliberately broke into the bombed carriage full of the bodies and body parts of 26 murdered people and the seriously wounded in order to exit to Russell Square where she hoped to secure a media interview that would lead to her becoming a celebrity
    – that prior to 7/7 her husband deliberately took out an anti-terrorism insurance policy to make money out of RN claiming to ‘have been injured when she was never injured ( not even a scratch) and from this RN and her husband have made a great deal of money – up to £500k
    – that RN has had plastic surgery to either create or conceal scars
    – that RN is a cruel scammer and not a victim, an ambitious liar and a fraud who has not only deceived the public but the bomb victims but also is responsible for delays in their compensation payments, or a government plant pushing disinformation.
    – That RN ‘cries rape’ repeatedly, that there is doubt that she ever was raped, and that she fabricates stories
    – that a male survivor of carriage one commenting is ‘a greasy newspaper reporter’ or ‘experienced prank blogger’ or ‘one of Rachel’s internet groupies’
    – that other survivors also entered the carriage of corpses and injured and ignored them to walk to Russell Square
    – that RN attacks people and causes trouble and make accusations ‘for the hell of it’ and ‘flings hate at innocent bystanders,
    – that RN’s vicar father is a ‘phoney’ or ‘deceived’ by RN, that he ‘never saw’ RN after the rape or bomb to ascertain if his daughter had injuries, that his nervous breakdown was a ‘put on’, he is ‘making a show’ and is a ‘religious extremist’, and ‘sly’ and ‘complicit’ with RN in a ‘scam’
    – that RN is a ‘sex offender’ because she probably ‘lied’ about being raped by a 17 year old, that it was ‘consensual’ and that she invented the rape story to avoid prosecution as a sex offender
    – that RN deceived Richard and Judy and the makers of the show and the audience of the show, and the media in general
    – That RN is ‘fishing for an OBE’
    – That RN is in the money’ whilst the people who were blown apart get nothing’
    – that RN’s ‘conduct is an atrocious insult to British and US troops and the Iraq war victims’.
    – That another survivor featured in a documentary who was even closer to the bomb than some of the most severely injured yet who escaped with few injuries is a ‘strange old man who was tied up by Rachel’, a ‘Walter Mitty character’ who is ‘not credible’, ‘ageing’ and ‘suffers from nervous disorders’, who ‘lost his mind and his memory then Rachel North filled his head’, may ‘believe in UFOs’, an ‘obviously inadmissible witness’, a’distressed and nervous elderly person’, who ‘was manipulated’, a ‘poor old man who lost his memory coming under the influence of Rachel North’, that he is either’ deceived’ or mentally ill and ‘poor’ and ‘a stranger to this country’
    – That RN ‘exposed’ Danny Biddle [who has never been exposed for anything] and the fact that ‘he was injured to the point of no repair is of no consequence to her’
    – that RN has ‘a bank of computer screens’ and a ‘number of blackberries’ to ‘keep her up to date whenever her name is mentioned’ online and that she has ‘thwarted several counter terrorism operations’
    – that RN secretly longs for a day in court’ where she will be ‘exposed’ and her story found to be ‘a psychotic fantasy’
    – that RN’s ‘versions of various events are full of bizarre contradictions and falsehoods’.
    – That RN has ‘contempt aversion and disgust towards others’, especially other survivors and families, that ‘she believes other people’s lives are worth very little’ and that ‘life owes her a living’, that she and her husband ‘are living a life of luxury while other victims suffer’
    – that she ‘surrounds herself with abusive people’ who indulge in ‘celebrity worship’ and ‘collective back’ covering whilst the evidence against RN is ‘overwhelming’
    – That there is’ not a single piece of evidence to support RN’s claim to be where she claims to have been on the morning of that fateful morning’ and that ‘her evidence is totally unreliable at best’
    – that comments are ‘not censored’ and that the blog is ‘neutral and objective’
    -that ‘if this discussion results in any legal proceedings, RN’s version of reality will finally be exposed as a realm of psychotic fantasy.’

    By anyone standards that is a hate blog, a smear blog, and a libel blog.

    It is clear that the author has an agenda, and is obsessed to the point of near-psychosis with attacking Rachel North.

    The question of the author is is relevant – any investigator, researcher, journalist or blogger should examine their sources.

    The idea that investigation into who wrote it is ‘pointless’ is ridiculous.

    The fact that you are linking to it is deplorable. The allegations on it are sickening and sick. There can be no excuses or justification for it. Not free speech, nor public interest.The things on it should never be said about anyone.

    It is nothing but a catalogue of hatred and smears.

  18. 19 anon July 14, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Fortunately, it’s malice is so apparent and the author’s writing style, use of third person, syntax, vocabulary, obsessions and use of sock-puppets so familiar that it is clear as day who is behind it.

    One Felicity Lowde, who has recently been prosecuted and jailed for harassment s2 against RN, appealed and lost.

    That was her 4th conviction for the same offence.

    It is to be expected that she will spend the rest of her miserable life writing hate and vitriol about RN.

    Only the most stupid, credulous or those who harbour resentment and malice towards RN who has repeatedly stood up against the fantasy and lies of conspiracy theories would fail to recognise it. The fact that a deluded few join in says more about them than RN.

    lwtc – you have a choice of being known as someone who links to hateblogs and doesn’t care about the source or pay any attention to warnings about the author’s credibility – or not.

    You once said that what was being said about FJ Lowde was despicable – when bloggers pointed out that she was wanted for arrest, a convicted criminal, homeless for non-payment of her mortgage was older and had put on weight and was mentally ill. But all of those things were true.

    Meanwhile this hateblog of allegations without any evidence about RN goes up – responsible for the death of her mum, sex offender, perjurer, criminal/insurance fraudster, mentally ill, heartless liar and charlatan – and accusations that other survivors are liars too – and you link to it and implicitly endorse it. Hypocrite!

    Nick Kollerstrom is a man who does not care about his sources. He gullibly laps up Holocaust-denier writing from far-right sources convicted of race hate and presents it as worth looking into.

    Are you like him?

    Or not?

    Take a long look at yourself. I bet you delete this comment but you should at least leave my first comment up so people can see what you are linking to and how, when you imply your opinions on RN are the same as the authors, just how low you can go.

  19. 20 Jeff July 14, 2008 at 10:26 am

    it is amazing that this new hate blog goes live and busy at the same time that fjl’s mad blog goes quiet.

    anyhow it is very easy to determine if this new site is the convicted stalker or not. her ip address is easily find-able.

    she logged into her fjlathome blog and then commented on a site that moniters ips which told them clearly who she was (unless she let’s other people log into her blog)

    so if the ip the “neverinthatcarriage” id is coming from is the same as the one talked about on the linked website, I would say that is pretty good evidence that they and fjl are one and the same sad twisted sack of (snip)

  20. 21 Anon2 July 14, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    That’s not a bad idea “Jeff” has. So what about it site owner, will you confirm or deny the IP that neverinthatcarriage writes from is 87.74.46.* or not?

    If it is, I am sure that anyone libelled by that site knows how to go about getting it taken down.

    If it is not, then the convicted stalker will not be accused unjustly of being the blog author.

  21. 22 anon July 14, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Bollocks you lot.

    I am already a fan of the blog you are against. It’s a smart check on Rachel’s fantabulous laa dee daa and its done very well. The link is a bit rude about rachel ( though not anything like as rude as Rachel is about everyone else) but apart from that you don’t have a leg to stand on. It’s good.

  22. 23 anon-referrer July 14, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    “It’s a smart check on Rachel’s fantabulous laa dee daa”

    that’s right – nothing personal, just rigorous answer-seeking, right?

    Oh, fuck off Felicity.

  23. 24 values July 14, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    “It’s good.” Good. GOOD?

    Like this gem:

    “One platform takes the Piccadilly Line trains, which contain the very long carriages we earlier observed, about eighty metres in length,” Heh.

    And the “experiment”. ! Leaving aside the incredibly vague information you have supplied, and ignoring for a moment the multiple (wild) assumptions about where RN was standing on the platform, how she would have behaved and how long tube trains stop in rush hours, the experiment ‘proves’ only that within the time a train normally stops in Finsbury Park a person can walk from mid (?) carriage 4 to access to carriage 2. SO – if you stared at carriage 3 you could get to carriage 1, AND if you started at the front of carriage 3 you could get to the front of carriage 1.

    Dork.

    Unwise coming here because lwtc, to his credit, actually allows freedom of speech on this blog. Which means you will get shredded in front of the people you are desperately trying to recruit with that vile ‘separate’ blog of yours.

  24. 25 anon July 14, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    The latest ‘experiemtn’ is a joke. She can’t even check sources.

    ‘I was on a crowded train to work. It was 8.40am when I boarded the rammed Piccadilly line train at Finsbury Park.
    Normally I board half way up the train, but the train was so full, I walked up to the front of the train.’

    From the original blog which is easy enough to find as it is the first entry written on 7/70/5. No mention of trying to board the train in the middle,and running up the platform through a crowd of people but instead it categorically states that Rachel walked up to the front of the train to board.

    the book has more detail iirc.

    ‘a bit rude about Rachel’

    what, calling her a liar, who was never raped and bombed, a sex offender, a criminal, a scammer, and insulting her family and friends in the most sick way a is just ‘a bit rude’?

    No dear, it’s illegal. It’s defamation, libel and harassment. What you went to jail for, remember? What two different judges found you GUILTY of. Again.

    Well done Rachel for not even dignifying this shit with a response. As to ‘a smart check on Rachel’s laa dee daa’ ( incoherent) it doesn’t seem to be stopping her blogging or working as a commentator, going on holiday or anything else.

  25. 26 anon July 14, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Rigorous attention-seeking, more like, from convicted harasser Felicity J Lowde, who is still advertising her demented obsession with rachel 24/7.

  26. 27 anon July 14, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    ‘No one knows who’s behind the site ‘never on that carriage’. It is not unlikely that there are other people out there who have a bone with RN other than fjl.’

    Dear boy, of course it at 87.74.46.41.

    It’s from her IP Domain Name bulldogdsl.com ? (Commercial)
    IP Address 87.74.46.# (Bulldog Communications)
    ISP Bulldog Communications
    Location
    Continent : Europe
    Country : United Kingdom (Facts)
    State/Region : London, City of
    City : London
    Lat/Long : 51.5, -0.1167 (Map)
    Language English (U.K.)
    en-gb
    Operating System Microsoft WinXP
    Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Media Center PC 3.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
    Javascript version 1.3
    Monitor
    Resolution : 1024 x 768
    Color Depth : 32 bits

    It has her unique spelling ( rhemes? reams. Nobody in the world spells rhemes like that apart from her). It has her exact same obsessions about RN ( Publicity seeking? making money on the backs of the dead? Not raped?

    and most tellingly RN is acccused of ‘false accusations’ in the header.

    Not, you will notice, false claims,/b>. What a scammer would make, but false accusations.

    Now go and count how many times the words false accuser(s), false accusations appear on FJL’s blog http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com, and how many times they are in connection with RN. Clue: dozens

    You can use the search facility at the top.

    Finally go and look at the use of the third person. ‘We are investigating…we are looking at…we think…’

    FJL writes in the 3rd person and always has done, especially on her hate blogs, which usually begin ‘this blog investigates’ ‘we are looking at’

    And for a bonus point, look at the misuse and misspelling of words.

    And then ask yourself, who uses the 3rd person to write amateurish blogspot hateblogs, is obsessed with Rachel North’s ‘false accusations’ ( even though she was found guilty by 2 judges who branded her a liar and harasser), who accuses Rachel of having an internet mob, who has historically repeatedly said Rachel lied about being raped and profited from the dead, who has attacked Rachel’s father and husband, described her wedding as ‘Mills & Boon’, accused rachel of being mentally ill, has dozens of sock puppets posting within minutes of each other, censors comments, can’t spell and is deeply, obviously mad?

    Anyone else apart from FJ Lowde come to mind?

  27. 28 anon July 14, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    a better conspiracy theory would be that RN made that blog to get sympathy and portray FJL as a barking nutter

    because anyone who reads it would just go what the fuck????

    in fact I don’t especially like RN as she is a Tory sell out but that blog makes me want to buy her a pint or send her flowers or something

  28. 29 anon-referrer July 14, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Anonymous said…
    Would strongly suggest you spell “charletan” correctly if you wish to be taken seriously.

    never in that carriage said…
    We realise that there is no female version of ‘charletan’ in the English language so we have invented one for Rachel.

    – which might be a creative feminisation – were it not for the fact that “charlatan” is spelt with THREE “A”s – what an ignorant, hateful piece of waste she is.

  29. 30 lwtc247 July 15, 2008 at 4:19 am

    @ anon July 14, 2008 at 10:00 am

    The idea that investigation into who wrote it is ‘pointless’ is ridiculous. – with respect, that’s not what I said.

    I said “supposition on who wrote it” is pointless.

    By all means conduct an ‘investigation’ if you so wish. History shows even mild criticism of Rachel brings forth ‘investigations’, and from what I see that ‘new’ site won’t provide the exception.

    But until then speculation as to its author is pointless and seems rather mirror-esque to me.

    Obviously a great deal of those allegations about RN are in want of proof, I’m sure visitors to that site have the intelligence to filter out / factor in what they see as reasonable.

    “The fact that you are linking to it is deplorable.” – This post was an attempt by me to introduce separation of me from it, and whatever I link to doesn’t need to pass through the filter of your moral compass.

    @ anon – July 14, 2008 at 10:14 am

    “It is to be expected that she will spend the rest of her miserable life writing hate and vitriol about RN.” – Which you will recriprocate? I’ve already asked you not to make suppositions as to the author of that blog. Kindly refrain.

    “The fact that a deluded few join in says more about them than RN.” – and of the torch and pitchfork squad?

    “you link to it and implicitly endorse it. Hypocrite!” – Sorry, your wrong. My stomach simply churned when I saw pack dogs baying for fjl’s blood {as I have said many times before}. And actually if someone accused RN of being responsible for the death of Rachels mother, then that also makes my stomach curn in a different kind of way and it is a simply dreadful thing to say.

    Re: “Nick Kollerstrom…Are you like him? Or not?” – Oh please. Don’t even try that!

    “I bet you delete this comment” – How much were you betting? And if you thought by issuing that challenge I’d feel compelled to leave it there to prove you wrong, well… there was no need, but you don’t seem to understand my view on freedom of speech, which strangely enough applies to you, RN, the torch and pitchfork Northsquad, fjl and the author of that blog in question.

    “you imply your opinions on RN are the same as the authors, just how low you can go.” – I don’t I have to try and convince a few people that in fact I don’t agree with everything the author of rachel north liar and charletane says.

    @ Jeff “it is amazing that this new hate blog goes live and busy at the same time that fjl’s mad blog goes quiet.” – Keeping an eye on both Jeff?

    @ Anon2 July 14, 2008 at 4:23 pm
    “So what about it site owner, will you confirm or deny the IP that neverinthatcarriage writes from is 87.74.46.* or not?” – If you are asking me, then sorry, I’m rather not play “hunt&burn” today thanks.

    @ values July 14, 2008 at 7:04 pm “Which means you will get shredded in front of the people” – Any pantaloon information written on that blog (even my blog) is more than welcome to be highlighted, no matter what.

    @ anon – July 14, 2008 at 7:48 pm
    Please, I’ve asked before, this isn’t the place to cuss anyone who might be the author of that text. Please stick to ripping apart (or otherwise) what the site says. Tq.

    anon July 14, 2008 at 9:08 pm “Nobody in the world spells rhemes like that apart from her” – being lax about spelling I’ll stay quiet about that, but I’d prefer it if you didn’t use this site to attack fjl. Go there and do it if you must. And anon, what you say which points the finger to fjl seems quite convincing, but I’m tired of such attacks and my position being constantly misread on the matter. Please, no more.

    anon July 14, 2008 at 9:52 pm – LOL.

  30. 31 anon July 15, 2008 at 7:20 am

    1. I’d prefer it if you didn’t use this site to attack fjl. Go there and do it if you must.
    She will not put through any comment which argues for the veracity of RN’s account, or questions her own allegations – no matter how polite and calm and factual it is. That is why you are going to get people commenting here. She will not allow any defence of RN or the other survivors on that site. You’ve set this up and created a space to debate. You’ve asked people to comment and they are doing so.

    2. I don’t I have to try and convince a few people that in fact I don’t agree with everything the author of rachel north liar and charletane says.

    You say you don’t agree with ‘everything?’
    You say only thatactually if someone accused RN of being responsible for the death of Rachels mother, then that also makes my stomach curn in a different kind of way and it is a simply dreadful thing to say.

    She also states that RN is a sex offender
    not a rape victim, ( RN was almost beaten to death by a stranger-rapist) – is that ok then?

    To allege RN is a liar, perjurer, sex offender, criminal, fraudster, scammer, non-rape-victim + all the family abuse and abuse of other carriage 1 survivors is fine?

    Are you prepared to say that in court? You may be asked to.
    Shall I contact your employers and your service provider and say that you are publishing this? You happy with that?

    3. Shall I send an anonymous email to them saying that you are a rapist and a sex offender and mentally ill and publishing libel and hate? No.I would never do such a thing.

    But FJL would, and has done exactly that. And you wonder why people – many of whom had been targeted by her – put up ‘wanted’ buttons to help get her arrested when she was – drum roll- wanted for arrest?

    4. You call that ‘torch and pitchfork Northsquad’. Nobody had torches or pitchforks, nobody was burned. It was people responding on the internet to a woman who was using the internet to say terrible things and harass numerous people. The fact that a lot of people were upset and angry is because she upset and angered a lot of people

    Many of the people taking an interest were people she had harassed for years before she started on RN. There were 15 other people on the ASBO. The police just built the case round RN as she was a credible and sympathetic witness.If anything, RN was part of their ‘squad’, not they in hers. This started long before RN was a target.

    5. As a direct result of the ‘wanted’ campaign, FJL was arrested and taken to court to be sentenced, after only 10 days of the buttons, which were then taken down. That was all, and nobody would have done it nobody would have even known about FJL if she had not gone on the run. She brought this on herself. She chose to harass RN, then run from justice.

    6. FJL even started it by making the initial false complaint to the police herself – RN had ignored it for months until that happened. RN only got involved with the police when the police started investigating – after FJL asked them to.

    7.FJL was found guilty twice over. She had 2 trials for the same offence at public expense.It was her 4th conviction for the same offence in 8 years. And she has learned nothing and is at it again. What do you think will happen to her if she keeps doing this? Are you helping her by spreading her poison?

    8. So what don’t you agree with again?

    The accusation that RN
    is a liar
    a sex offender
    who was never raped
    killed her mother
    committed massive criminal insurance fraud
    was never in the bombed carriage
    is mentally ill
    prevented victims getting compensation
    stepped over 26 corpses and 100 injured people to get to Russell Square to talk to the media?

    Please can you specify exactly what you do and do not endorse. I think if you are going to repeat such things you should be prepared to clarify your personal position. You say

    9. Obviously a great deal of those allegations about RN are in want of proof, I’m sure visitors to that site have the intelligence to filter out / factor in what they see as reasonable.

    That’s not really right, is it?

    Here is a clue. NONE OF THEM ARE ‘REASONABLE’. They are all the products of a very sick woman’s mind who has had a mad obsession with RN and conducted a hate campaign for 3 years.

    You might as well publish the graffiti written in shit on a toilet wall in a secure mental institution and ask if there is any proof if it is ‘reasonable’. It was stupid to pass it on.

    However, you’ve republished it.Your own dislike of RN has apparently made you so blind that you will actually pass on this stuff, whilst pretending you only want to ‘discuss it’ and thus distance yourself from it – but you don’t want to allow discussion of the author of it. You can’t have your cake and eat it. All the fun of passing on the filth and none of the consequences. Would you put race-hate leaflets quoting you through doors and then ask people to ‘discuss them’ but please ignore the fact that they were written by the KKK or National Front? Stop being such a hypocrite. And stop commenting on her blog, if you are doing so.

    10. It is essential that people know who the source is. It is fair and it is right to look at who said this and why they said it. You have asked people to comment, after all, and that is exactly what they are doing. You can’t comment on the content without context and that includes looking at the credibility of the author/source. You’ve just spread the poison but you don’t want to take responsibility for what you are doing.Too bad.

    11. …what you say which points the finger to fjl seems quite convincing, but I’m tired of such attacks and my position being constantly misread on the matter. Please, no more.

    You’re tired of such attacks?

    You published it! You asked for comments on it. You think any attacks you experience are tiring? Has anyone called your employers & police to make false criminal allegations? Set up hateblogs about you? Said those kinds of things about your parents, friends and family? Made you go to court to give evidence to defend yourself?

    If you are tired of it why did you start it? Why did you respond to it?

    You can either live with the consequences – nobody is being rude to you and I suggest commenters here restruict themselves to saying things only that are provably true about FJL that they are happy to repeat in court and to the police – or you can stop disseminating libel and lies and delete the post and comments. It’s up to you.

    Have you ever thought that people might be sticking up for RN because she is right and has been wronged and that they are angry to see an innocent person treated this way because they have empathy and know it could just as easily have been them?

    Have you ever considered the proven fact that FJL is a four-times convicted criminal who attacks people and publishes sick lies? She is the liar and charletane and fraudster ( there’s a benefit fraud case coming her way soon) and as usual, everything she throws about is but a mirror to her own self-hatred and loathing.

    If you want to help her, if you want to stop this, ignore it and urge her privately to talk to her GP or mental health team. Don’t rev it up and cause further distress – whatever your opinion of RN and the other survivors of 7/7 is.

  31. 32 anonanonanon July 15, 2008 at 8:07 am

    I would however expect discussion on the content of the site mentioned. Not supposition on who wrote it – that’s pointless.

    How about I link to an anonymous site saying lwtc has over 8000 pornographic images of children being raped and tortured on his PC and over 3000 images of people being beheaded and bombs exploding plus instructions on how to make detonators.

    Then I write a little blog post about it. I say the following

    ‘No supposition of who set the site up please; it is an anonymous site.’

    ‘Discussion is encouraged.’ (However, anyone defending lwtc or saying it is me setting up the site will be referred to as a ‘torch and pitchfork mob’)

    I encourage my readers. I write:

    ‘I said “supposition on who wrote it” is pointless. That means, I want to you discuss the content, not the author.Go on, discuss away. Please’

    I direct people to the site again, where it says

    ‘Could it be true? Let’s look carefully at the evidence that lwtc is a sadist and tortures children. He may be part of a paedophile circle Here is some evidence suggesting it. The police should be asked to investigate, if it is true.’

    I’m careful to distance myself in a post on my blog. I say

    ‘Hey, I’m just passing the link on. It quotes me, and there’s someone who sounds like me in the comments, but it’s nowt to do with me. Yes, i know I have written about lwtc in the past wondering if he is a sadist terrorist paedo, but hey, free speech!That’s just my opinion!LOL’

    I look at the hate blog again and ask my readers to do so. There are some new comments saying lwtc was sacked from his last job because of his cache of rape porn.

    I write some more:

    ‘I’m just publishing the link, I make no comment.’

    Someone sends me a comment saying the allegations against lwtc are not true and they know because they are lwtc’s ex boss. They complain that the anon author of ‘lwtc is a paedo sadist terrorist’ isn’t putting the comment in defence of lwtc through. Instead 7 new comments saying lwtc has a long history of psychiatric problems and a collection of knives and ropes in his house have gone up followed by 7 comments saying lwtc should be investigated and that we all feel sick. The comments are sockpuppets complains lwtc’s boss.

    I tell him he is a member of a torch and pitchfork squad.
    Time to encourage the readers some more. I write

    ‘By all means conduct an ‘investigation’ if you so wish into this site I am linking to, ‘lwtc is a paedo sadist terrorist’. History shows even mild criticism of lwtc brings forth ‘investigations’, and from what I see that ‘new’ site won’t provide the exception.’

    Then I say

    ‘Let me remind you all again that speculation as to its author is pointless and seems rather mirror-esque to me. Please just repeat the accusations and discuss them at length as I’m encouraging you to do right here on my blog. Pass them around. Link to them. That’s right. Thanks for the comments’

    ‘Obviously a great deal of those allegations about lwtc are in want of proof, I’m sure visitors to that site have the intelligence to filter out / factor in what they see as reasonable.’

    ‘ I’ve already asked you not to make suppositions as to the author of that blog. Kindly refrain. It’s juyst not relevant. What is relevant is the evidence that lwtc is a paedo sadist terrorist. Or not’

    ‘I won’t delete any comments. You don’t seem to understand my view on freedom of speech’

    ‘I don’t I have to try and convince a few people that in fact I don’t agree with everything the author of lwtc {let’s put your real name in now to ramp it up a bit] is a paedophile sadist and terrorist’

    ‘No, I won’t check who the contributors or author is. I’d rather not play “hunt&burn” today thanks.’

    ‘Any information written on that lwtc is a paedo sadist terrorist blog is more than welcome to be highlighted, no matter what. Freedom of speech!’

    ‘This isn’t the place to cuss anyone who might be the author of that text. Please stick to ripping apart (or otherwise) what the site says. Ta.’

    ‘I’d prefer it if you didn’t use this site to attack the author of ‘lwtc is a paedophile sadist terrorist’. Go there and do it if you must ( even though I knwo comments won’t be put through because I sent a comment myself and it wasn’t put through).

    ‘ I’m tired of such attacks and my position being constantly misread on the matter. Please, no more. Please just get on with discussing the blog about lwtc being a paedo sadist terrorist, and passing it on.’

    Nice eh?

    I just want to say: I have nothing to do with that lwtc is a paedo sadist terrorist blog at all. Even if the author/s of lwtc is a paedo sadist terrorist share exactly the same opinions as me, or otherwise.’

  32. 33 anonanonanon July 15, 2008 at 8:11 am

    Oh noes, people seem to be obliquely accusing me of being a shit-stirring hypocrite!

    I’m tired, this is all very exhausting. I need to lie down. Please go away.

    Just stick to discussing whether lwtc is a paedo sadist terrorist. Thanks.

    LOL, do you get it yet?
    Time for me to get on with my work. Bye!

  33. 34 lwtc247 July 15, 2008 at 9:25 am

    1) “She will not allow any defence of RN or the other survivors on that site.” – there are other pro-Rachel sites where I am sure have amassed tonnes of defence and attacks of fjl – who I would prefer not to be discussed on this thread.

    2) “To allege RN is a liar, perjurer, sex offender, criminal, fraudster, scammer, non-rape-victim + all the family abuse and abuse of other carriage 1 survivors is fine?” – I didn’t say that, but please excuse my lack of sense of urgency to discuss every or any accusation, especially when they’ve had numerous outings before, in numerous places.

    “Are you prepared to say that in court? – sorry, but I don’t really care about threats even if they are empty.

    3) If fjl went after people, of course it’s understandable that they would respond, but the point about the Northsquad, people who had nothing to do with it indulged in a witch-hunt – a metaphor like the torch and pitchfork Northsquad.

    4) see 3) Rachel has amassed a following or ‘fan base’ whatever you want to call it. It was she who spearheaded the hounding of someone I don’t want to discuss. (!)

    5) Who’s the next button victim then? Oh I already know that, his name was Nick Kollerstrom and the Northsquad cost him his income, another man ‘dealt’ with. No job is too hard for “The Northsquad”

    7) What do you think will happen to her if she keeps doing this? – I don’t know? Your not one of those that carries knives are you?. “Are you helping her by spreading her poison?”Hope you at least wipe the blade before you reuse it

    8) Not agreeing with everything the authors of “never in that carriage” say does not mean I agree with some parts, but even if I did, you would not know what parts I agree with other than from what I’ve already written about and if you read what I wrote you might understand my stance better.

    Accusations of RN being a rapist / sex offender or whatever are nothing to do with me. I don’t see why I should be forced to denounce every single thing someone says. It’s rather 1984-ish of you and I’m simply not interested in playing such a game.

    One thing however did catch my eye. Rachel said on BBC radio that she was “Angry, on a short fuse, not sleeping well, haunted by screaming and explosions, Depressed, despairing, guilty, constantly in a state of exhaustion and sadness.” – no mental problems there then.

    9) On the contrary, a highly 7-7 sceptic said the site smeared Rachel, and I’ve pointed out something I disagree about, so don’t worry, I (and I presume others) don’t need your guidance as to how to treat or interpret the stuff written on that site.

    “It was stupid to pass it on.
    – I’ve tried telling you this post was to inform people I wanted to distance myself from that site. People who I communicate with over the web. A post in absence of a link? That would be far more stupid, and besides, others e.g. Rachel and Blarwatch post links of sites/pages they disagree with as does VIRTUALLY THE WHOLE BLOGGING COMMUNITY. I need no approval from you as to what I link to.

    “Your own dislike of RN” – I have issues with Rachel, yeah, but I couldn’t say I dislike her as a person. “you will actually pass on this stuff” – Nonsense. I don’t endorse/condone it at all – despite the fact you would like me to. “All the fun of passing on the filth and none of the consequences.” – equally rubbish. Discussion of fjl is tedious and repetitive, and despite my calls, I get people like you still wanting to discuss her.

    10. “It is essential that people know who the source is.
    in stark contrast”
    – I disagree. On occasion like the 7-7 movie Mind the Gap the creators deliberately kept their anonymity. Good on them. It’s not hard to predict would have happened to them should their identity be known. Pitchforks at the ready! However I do concede on other occasions where there is a need for source identification. Generally, to me, when the state is criticised or exposed, anonymity is justified, when the state makes accusations then the source should be open. Rachel is putting forward an official version of 7-7 albeit that the authorities simply bungled it up. Anon criticism of that therefore has some justification in my eyes.

    “And stop commenting on her blog” – Why should I? If she writes something I like or want to discuss something with her I will do so and I won’t consult you before I do it. Sorry.

    “You’ve just spread the poison but you don’t want to take responsibility for what you are doing.” – Laughable suggestion and one made in absence of what I have said about the purposes of this thread.

    “You’re tired of such attacks?” – Yes attacks of the Northsquad on fjl (and vice versa). I didn’t start anything! If you read the comments, it was Anonymous
    July 11, 2008 at 4:41 am, who brought fjl into the limelight. Not me and then others like yourself continued to do so!

    “Why did you respond to it?” – An error perhaps on my part.

    “commenters here restruict themselves to saying things only that are provably true about FJL that they are happy to repeat in court and to the police – or you can stop disseminating libel and lies and delete the post and comments. It’s up to you.” You know where you can put those thin threats!

    “Have you ever thought that people might be sticking up for RN because she is right” – Yes. It doesn’t justify what I see as them participating in the near- ecstatic hunting of someone, cackling wildly, at someone who has only ever had a go verbally.

    “Don’t rev it up and cause further distress – whatever your opinion of RN and the other survivors of 7/7 is.” I have given what I consider ‘advice’ to someone I didn’t want this thread to be about(!!!) in the past and I’m NOT revving it up. YOU lot are the ones going on and on when something critical of RN comes up, essence of fjl or not!

    Don’t you have better things to do at 7:20am than scout for chances to go on about RN vs/ fjl?

    And your attempt to tag my issues with RN onto other 7/7 survivors is frankly speaking, quite disgusting indeed.

  34. 35 lwtc247 July 15, 2008 at 9:28 am

    “lwtc has over 8000 pornographic images of children being raped and tortured on his PC and over 3000 images of people being beheaded and bombs exploding plus instructions on how to make detonators.” – do as you please. In some circles it’s called Literary freedom, which I guess also allows freedom to lie. Ask the Home office about its 7-7 narrative if you are at all unsure.

  35. 36 lwtc247 July 15, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Re: Links to sites you don’t agree with…

    Please pass on what you said above to Rachel and the gang. I’m sure you could convince them also not to post the links that you disagree with. In the meantime, I’ll put any link on my blog to anything that tickles my fancy for reasons already explained. Hope you can live with that.

  36. 37 lwtc247 July 15, 2008 at 9:40 am

    “lwtc was sacked from his last job because of his cache of rape porn.” – One thing’s for sure, it wouldn’t be the first time someone recently got the sack for a crock of smears coming from a particular direction. Funny how the rancidity that fjl is accused of is justified when it’s not her that does it.

  37. 38 anonanonanon July 15, 2008 at 10:48 am

    1) “She will not allow any defence of RN or the other survivors on that site.” – there are other pro-Rachel sites where I am sure have amassed tonnes of defence and attacks of fjl – who I would prefer not to be discussed on this thread.

    Nobody else is linking to this sick site, because it is sick. You on the other hand are the only person not only linking but asking for discussion of it.

    2) “To allege RN is a liar, perjurer, sex offender, criminal, fraudster, scammer, non-rape-victim + all the family abuse and abuse of other carriage 1 survivors is fine?” – I didn’t say that, but please excuse my lack of sense of urgency to discuss every or any accusation, especially when they’ve had numerous outings before, in numerous places.

    You linked to a site where it was all said. Deliberately. The only place where those sick accusations had numerous outings is FJL’s hateblogs. Most of which google has closed down, because they are defamatory.

    “Are you prepared to say that in court? – sorry, but I don’t really care about threats even if they are empty.

    FJL really went to jail for writing this stuff. There were 2 real trials. If there is another court case, you can be called as a witness. I hope you are.

    3) If fjl went after people, of course it’s understandable that they would respond, but the point about the Northsquad, people who had nothing to do with it indulged in a witch-hunt – a metaphor like the torch and pitchfork Northsquad.

    What you call ‘Northsquad’ is largely people who had been abused by FJL for several years. If it’s bad to write FJL is wanted by the police, when she was wanted by the police and had been convicted, what are you doing passing on criminal libel about someone who has not been convicted? Is that a witch hunt? The criminal being sought is a witch hunt but the innocent person being libelled and harassed isn’t?

    4) see 3) Rachel has amassed a following or ‘fan base’ whatever you want to call it. It was she who spearheaded the hounding of someone I don’t want to discuss. (!)

    If you don’t want to discuss it why link and ask for comments? Why blog about RN and FJL on numerous occasions? How many posts have you written about one or both of them?

    5) Who’s the next button victim then? Oh I already know that, his name was Nick Kollerstrom and the Northsquad cost him his income, another man ‘dealt’ with. No job is too hard for “The Northsquad”

    Wrong. There were no buttons. (A wanted convicted criminal by the way is not a victim and your choice of words for FJL says it all) He was outed by a site in Belgium. He was not employed by UCL. He was a research fellow there and could use the library. Writing his holo-hoax stuff when he was using the facilities of a Uni with a Holocaust Studies Centre was asking for trouble. The Uni diassociated themselves from his views which he published under his own name.

    7) What do you think will happen to her if she keeps doing this? – I don’t know? Your not one of those that carries knives are you?. “Are you helping her by spreading her poison?”Hope you at least wipe the blade before you reuse it.

    You don’t call that blog poison? You can’t see what it is? You want FJL to get into more trouble so you are spreading her hate-blog and hosting a discussion about it? Nobody else is. Only you.

    8) Not agreeing with everything the authors of “never in that carriage” say does not mean I agree with some parts, but even if I did, you would not know what parts I agree with other than from what I’ve already written about and if you read what I wrote you might understand my stance better.

    It looks like you do agree with some parts. The only thing you have made any attempt to distance yourself from is the accusation RN was responsible for the death of her mother.

    I have read what you write and whatever you think of RN there is no excuse for linking to a site saying she killed her mother, is a sex offender and criminal and which calls other survivors liars and Walter Mittys. No excuse at all.You can write what you like about RN and see if she responds. You have no public interest in linking to that hate site. Anymore than you have a public interest defence in handing out NF leaflets and asking people to discuss them.

    Accusations of RN being a rapist / sex offender or whatever are nothing to do with me. I don’t see why I should be forced to denounce every single thing someone says. It’s rather 1984-ish of you and I’m simply not interested in playing such a game.

    You publish it and the only thing you distance yourself from is the ‘killing her mother’ part.

    It is very clear indeed that you are part of a hate campaign, and I can recognise that you have also contributed to that site with comments. You’re a coward. You want all the fun of the hateblog but won’t admit you are contributing to the hate campaign.And why? Because a survivor of a bomb won’t buy your political theories. She is not obliged to; there is no reason to publish hateblogs about her to punish her, you bullying creep.

    One thing however did catch my eye. Rachel said on BBC radio that she was “Angry, on a short fuse, not sleeping well, haunted by screaming and explosions, Depressed, despairing, guilty, constantly in a state of exhaustion and sadness.” – no mental problems there then.

    Nice. So if she suffers traumatic reaction to being blown up, she’s mental and if she doesn’t, she’s a scammer? What reaction do you think would be appropriate? Don’t bother, I doubt you can imagine one.

    9) On the contrary, a highly 7-7 sceptic said the site smeared Rachel, and I’ve pointed out something I disagree about, so don’t worry, I (and I presume others) don’t need your guidance as to how to treat or interpret the stuff written on that site.

    Why are you choosing to pass it on? Could it be that you are gleeful at the thought that it might be upsetting to RN and her family? Sure looks that way to me.

    “It was stupid to pass it on.
    “ – I’ve tried telling you this post was to inform people I wanted to distance myself from that site. People who I communicate with over the web. A post in absence of a link? That would be far more stupid, and besides, others e.g. Rachel and Blarwatch post links of sites/pages they disagree with as does VIRTUALLY THE WHOLE BLOGGING COMMUNITY. I need no approval from you as to what I link to.

    I’ll just make my own mind up about why you and you alone have chosen to deliberately publicise one of the most deranged hateblogs ever seen. When nobody else has. I’ll factor in how many times you have written spitefully about RN and decide – yes, you’re loving the hate and you are a hateblogger. Can’t see anything about you on her site, so I can only assume this is a witch hunt.

    “Your own dislike of RN” – I have issues with Rachel, yeah, but I couldn’t say I dislike her as a person. “you will actually pass on this stuff” – Nonsense. I don’t endorse/condone it at all – despite the fact you would like me to. “All the fun of passing on the filth and none of the consequences.” – equally rubbish. Discussion of fjl is tedious and repetitive, and despite my calls, I get people like you still wanting to discuss her.

    Bullshit. You obviously hate her and your own writing makes it quite plain that you will use anything to attack her that you can. Including defending her stalker, calling her an agent, linking to her stalker’s hateblog and attacking her repeatedly.

    10. “It is essential that people know who the source is.
    in stark contrast” – I disagree. On occasion like the 7-7 movie Mind the Gap the creators deliberately kept their anonymity.

    Oh yeah you are a conspiracy theorist. Never mind if the source is a liar, a neo nazi, an anti semite or a convicted stalker – if it is on the internet and contains lies and mad theories you’ll gulp it down.

    Good on them. It’s not hard to predict would have happened to them should their identity be known. Pitchforks at the ready!

    So anyone should be allowed to publish any old shit, however libellous, hurtful and untruthful and not be challenged? Anonymous cowards publishing lies. You support them, and you attack eyewitnesses. Nice.

    However I do concede on other occasions where there is a need for source identification.

    A deeply personal attack on a person written by a person who went to jail for harassing the subject – but the fact that it is written by a convicted liar and stalker isn’t relevant?

    Generally, to me, when the state is criticised or exposed, anonymity is justified, when the state makes accusations then the source should be open. Rachel is putting forward an official version of 7-7 albeit that the authorities simply bungled it up. Anon criticism of that therefore has some justification in my eyes.

    Rachel is a person, not ‘the State’. She is being viciously and personally attacked, not the State. If you have problems with the officuial narrative, take it up with the Home Office. There is no justification for making an individual the target of such personal attacks just because she, like 99.9% of the rest of the UK, believes she was attacked a by suicide bomber. This is not anon criticism of the narrative, this is insane and horrific personal abuse.

    “And stop commenting on her blog” – Why should I? If she writes something I like or want to discuss something with her I will do so and I won’t consult you before I do it. Sorry.

    You’ve just admitted contributing to one of the nastiest hate campaigns in years. Screen grabbed and sent to google and the police and your IP provider.

    “You’ve just spread the poison but you don’t want to take responsibility for what you are doing.” – Laughable suggestion and one made in absence of what I have said about the purposes of this thread.

    The purpose of this thread is to spread attacks on an individual whilst attempting to deny direct authorship of said attacks.

    “You’re tired of such attacks?” – Yes attacks of the Northsquad on fjl (and vice versa). I didn’t start anything! If you read the comments, it was Anonymous
    July 11, 2008 at 4:41 am, who brought fjl into the limelight. Not me and then others like yourself continued to do so!

    No, you published a vicious attack blog on RN as an individual. If you have a problem with the 7/7 account, why attack her on a personal level? Why not write to the Home Office?

    “Why did you respond to it?” – An error perhaps on my part.
    I’d say so. Why not delete the thread and the blog post?

    “commenters here restrict themselves to saying things only that are provably true about FJL that they are happy to repeat in court and to the police – or you can stop disseminating libel and lies and delete the post and comments. It’s up to you.” You know where you can put those thin threats!

    You can wait and see what happens next. It is not a threat. Reporting hatespeech is not a threat, it is what should be done with hatespeech.

    “Have you ever thought that people might be sticking up for RN because she is right” – Yes. It doesn’t justify what I see as them participating in the near- ecstatic hunting of someone, cackling wildly, at someone who has only ever had a go verbally.

    YOu have not paid attention. FJL reported RN to the police. The police investigated, found FJL was harassing RN, asked her to give evidence, she did so, FJL went on the run and was wanted. 10 days later she was found. Nobody would have known anything about her if she had not gone on the run.Near-ecstatic hunting and cackling|?
    Shall I say you are creaming yourself orgasmically, cackling with joy and rubbing yourself at the thought of how much hate you are linking to and how it will upset a woman and her family? Does that make you feel good about what you are doing? Stop making excuses for yourself.

    “Don’t rev it up and cause further distress – whatever your opinion of RN and the other survivors of 7/7 is.” I have given what I consider ‘advice’ to someone I didn’t want this thread to be about(!!!) in the past and I’m NOT revving it up. YOU lot are the ones going on and on when something critical of RN comes up, essence of fjl or not!

    Nobody here has been convicted of harassment. FJL has, and to link to her hate and then compare people who put up buttons saying truthfully she was wanted to help catch her, after she has been pum[ping out mad hate and harassing RBN for 3 years is ludicrous.

    Don’t you have better things to do at 7:20am than scout for chances to go on about RN vs/ fjl?

    No – I got to work early an ddecided to see if my comment of last night had been responded to.

    And your attempt to tag my issues with RN onto other 7/7 survivors is frankly speaking, quite disgusting indeed.

    No it isn’t. The blog you gleefully link to contains foul abuse of at least 2 other survivors. By linking to it, you are contributing to their abuse too.

    Why is it ok to attack the survivor RN but disgusting to attack any other survivor, even though they believe what she does about suicide bombs? You’ve just admitted it – this is personal and because you want to discredit and attack her.

    “lwtc has over 8000 pornographic images of children being raped and tortured on his PC and over 3000 images of people being beheaded and bombs exploding plus instructions on how to make detonators.” – do as you please. In some circles it’s called Literary freedom, which I guess also allows freedom to lie. Ask the Home office about its 7-7 narrative if you are at all unsure.

    You have no idea, do you?

    Re: Links to sites you don’t agree with…

    Please pass on what you said above to Rachel and the gang. I’m sure you could convince them also not to post the links that you disagree with. In the meantime, I’ll put any link on my blog to anything that tickles my fancy for reasons already explained. Hope you can live with that.

    You’ll be the only person linking to it, and that will be because you alone have outed yourself as so desperate to attack RN personally that you will cross any line to indulge your hate. And then try to have it both ways and deny your involvement and pleasure in doing so.

    “lwtc was sacked from his last job because of his cache of rape porn.” – One thing’s for sure, it wouldn’t be the first time someone recently got the sack for a crock of smears coming from a particular direction. Funny how the rancidity that fjl is accused of is justified when it’s not her that does it.

    Funny how nobody has set up such a blog or made such complaints to employers and police, apart from your little buddy FJL, who does it repeatedly.

    Kollerstrom published his shit under his name for anyone to read on the web. The Uni took one look and made up their own mind.

    FJL accuses people of things that they never did and tells sickening lies – like you do – to attack people personally – like you do- and tries to get people to link to them – like you do.

    Allah has a position on bearing false witness.

    Go and look it up, lwtc, and think about who you are defending and why.

    As usual, your actions say more about you than you think.

  38. 39 anon and puzzled July 15, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    why clobber each other about an anonymous blog?

  39. 40 anon July 15, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    The blog doesn’t point to anyone. This whole piece of banter is a desperate attempt to pin it on some worn out scape-goat.

    The fact of the matter is a large number of people are very interested in whether or why Rachel is lying about being on the bombed carriage.

    The North madam has been telling lies, that is proven, so why the objection to the anonymous blog?

    Make some more inquiries, I say.

  40. 41 values July 15, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    “The North madam has been telling lies, that is proven”

    What? By you?

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Oh please.

    You have only proved: that you don’t know what an experiment is, or what a metre is, that you can’t read ANY text without distorting it, that you quote selectively and unfairly, that you don’t know that sex with 17 yr olds is legal (surprising, as you did that as one yourself), that you think bombs go ‘bang’, and you don’t realise that if Angelo Power got out at Russel Sq (which he didn’t) and if he was behind RN on the train, that you then cannot logically place RN anywhere specifically on that train.

    Sorry lwtc, but this is the reality of the hate driven menace that is the author of that blog. She will not lie down, and decent people think she must be debunked and challenged. I know the Fearsquad don’t agree, and twisted misanthropes like Cecilieaux latch on and try to boost their pitiful blog traffic by stirring stuff up, but you posted about this and sure as sugar puffs she will turn up to attempt to pose as a reasonable person who has a totally reasonable case to doubt RN. And you, as her only internet buddy, are being wooed with this silly conspiracy stuff. Remember, your enemy’s enemy is not necessarily your friend, especially not when it’s her and she thinks you are a deluded lunatic who should leave the security forces in peace. That, may I remind you, was her original beef with RN.

    So meanwhile there will be people like me who reserve the right to reply to her vileness. No torch, no pitchfork. If she shuts up I will shut up. If you pull this thread (and I’m not asking you to) I would be delighted, because, as explained above, free speech is a miniscule fig leaf for her, and she DOES NOT BELIEVE IN IT, nor does she practise it. She has so twisted the concept to her own purposes that all it does in her case is permit flagrant breaches of the law, and common human decency.

    She is not discussing 7/7. She is just verbally stabbing RN in a frenzied verbal knife crime.

  41. 42 John July 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    You deserve the right to reply to the carriage 1 challenge in a respectful fashion you don’t have the right to make frenzied allegations or try to make out that the blog is something that its not.

    I think its brilliant.

    But as it happens this discussion so called is too stupid to participate in. Losers raving, I call it.

  42. 43 values July 15, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Felicity:

    too too obvious. No sane human being would like, let alone defend, that horror show. The fact that you can’t pick that up speaks volumes about your debased motivation.

    You can’t interpret text so it’s no surprise, but actually lwtc is not supporting you, he is trying to pick a way through some difficult issues for him.

    He also has ip tracing so actually he will know you are puppeting. He (probably) won’t tell us (credit to him if he does) but he’ll know. I knew when you commented on my blog.

    You would just be silly and irrelevant, but you step over the lines. Which, if you’d only get the point, is why you are a 4 x convicted harasser.

  43. 44 anonanonanon July 15, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Here’s some evidence of her total BS and inability to check facts.

    She claims to have conducted an experiment at Finsbury park tube station. She was never there. First she claims there is an escalator there. There is no escalator. Then she claims that each carriage is 80 metres long. yes, really.She’s deleted the escalator mention since but last night that was what it said.

    She puts up 2 photos as if she took them. Both are from wikipedia.

    She states

    ‘She descended the steps, passed through the booths, passed through the corridor, descended and headed towards the platforms where the trains that head to King’s Cross stop. There are two long platforms at Finsbury Park that receive trains headed towards Kings Cross. Platforms 3 and 4. Both these long platforms receive trains that are headed ‘Southbound’. One platform takes the Piccadilly Line trains, which contain the very long carriages we earlier observed, about forty metres in length, and the other takes the Victoria Line trains, which contain the shorter carriages ( about half as long) that most people are used to taking.’

    Anyone who had been to Finsbury Park station would know that there is a single booth ( usually unmanned) and passengers walk down a gently sloping corridor from the tickethall where they reach signs for the West-bound Piccadilly line and Victoria line. You can board the Piccadilly line either by turning right, walking down some stairs and joining the platform about halfway down, or turn left, walk down some stairs and join it nearer the front of the train. You can also access the Southbound Victoria line from these two points.

    ‘The platforms run parallel and you can cross from one platform to the other via a small twenty metre long passage.’

    20 metres?

    It’s about 10 steps.

    She says that Piccadilly line carriages are 40 metres long and there are 7 of them per train and that Finsbury park platform is therefore 280metres long.

    280 Metre (m) = 0.173 983 934 Mile

    Piccadilly line trains are actually 107.6 metres long.
    The platform is not 280m long. It is 108metres long.

    Tube carriages are not 40 m long or 80m long. They are about 16 metres long.

    All this is part of a ramble in which she claims that

    ‘Each of us on the experiment walked to carriage 4, delayed a short while, the time it would take to try to make your way through commuters on a very busy platform and get on a train carriage, fight to get on, and give up. We then turned about, and walked up towards carriage 1. which was situated on the platform right at the top beside the tunnel opening.’

    She claims this mirrrors RN’s claimed movemrnts on the day. But it deosn’t. Rachel’s account of the day, on 3 separate sources, ( BBC, Urban 75 – the first account, timestamped 10.59pm 7/7 05 and her blog) all say exactly the same thing:

    I was on a crowded train to work – it was 8.40am when I boarded the rammed Picadilly line train at Finsbury Park.

    Normally I board half way up the train, but the train was so full, I walked up to the front of the train to board. I was on the first carriage, the one behind the drivers’ carriage, by the doors; it was absolutely packed, and even more people got on at Kings X making it what felt like the most crowded train ever.

    Nowhere does she say anything about boarding carriage 4 and then suddenly running to the front of the train before it set off, as FJL will have her do. She says she was on the first carriage by the first set of doors and that she walked up to the front of the train on that day ‘because it was so full’.

    More background reveals that there was a fire at Claedonian Rd and the trains were running late and overcrowded and that she waited for 2 full trains to go by before boarding, and that she delayed boarding because she wanted to read an article that had come out that day about her rape. She describes sitting on a bench reading it, then getting into carriage one of the third train that came along.

    I’ve tried to point out the facts and figures about the length of the carriages and platform, but will she publish it? No.

    She makes further mad claims, that Rachel and other survivors in other carriages deliberately broke into the bombed carriage and walked over the bodies of the 26 dead, and the numerous injured to go to Russell Square, to ‘follow the driver’ even though it was further away and there was no communication between carriages from the driver because the electrics had blown.

    Even assuming those in car 2 could open the interconnecting door to car 1 – and numerous accounts show they couldn’t – why would they walk deliberately towards a scene of devastation and death and into a carriage that had been destroyed in the centre by a bomb and was full of terribly injured and dead people and body parts? All accounts have survivors trapped in their carriages waiting to be rescued.

    But Felicity will have Rachel do this, after first implying she must have squeezed past the train down the tunnel, then dropping this when it is explained in a comment that she does not publish that the tunnel is narrow there and the survivors were trapped in the first three or four carriages.

    Felicity’s thesis is Rachel was not in carriage one with the bomb, but went into it on purpose in order to exit it because she hoped media would be at Russell Square and she could be a celebrity!

    The media were at King’s Cross, not Russell Square. And how could the survivors have possibly known what had happened and where the media were and that they would be there at all?

    Only the people who could walk and were at the front of carriage one could go to Russell Square, which was 662 metres away – because the bomb had gone off in the middle of the carriage, destroying it, and killing people, and prevented those left alive from going back to Kings Cross, which was only 152 metres away.The remainder of the train’s passengers were trapped, apart from a few who escaped at the trailing cross over where the tunnel widened further down the train.The rest were evacuated to Russell Square.

    There are more mad claims. She has the bomber in the middle of the train at one point. She has people getting out of carriages in tight tunnels using ladders as if there are ladders on every carriage of a tube train. Ever seen one? She has anyone who survived in carriage one without having limb amputation as a liar and Walter Mitty. She claims everyone on carriage one died or lost limbs. This is just not true, and provably not true.

    I could go on but there is no point. It’s all a lot of rubbish and aimed solely at persuading the credulous to hate North as much as she does.

    You are the only one who even thinks it is worht discussing, and we all know why that is

  44. 45 values July 15, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    OK. One last go at this.

    Has the author of that blog ever been on a tube train in her life? She has posted this

    http://bp0.blogger.com/_Z1JIB3_MBuA/SG9hNoEpkUI/AAAAAAAAABE/8aCuOBxf1Yg/s1600-h/
    longtubetraincarriage.jpg

    labelled by her as a picture of HALF a Piccadilly line tube carriage. Have you ever been on the Piccadilly Line, lwtc? The dozy so and so has looked at pictures and got carried away. I travelled on the PL for the eighteen years I lived near Caledonian Road station, and I can assure you that that picture is nearly all of the carriage, apart from the narrow single door at the rear of the carriage. The author of that blog is maintaining, despite all realities to the contrary, that PL carriages are 80. now 40, now maybe 32 metres long. That they are TWICE (her emphasis) as long as other lines. In other words they have four sets of double sliding doors. LOL.

    Now, even at 32m how do they get round that very sharp bend going west to South Ken then?

    She has not seen any tube trains irl, or she would know. She has been no further than Wikipedia (in the usual way). Otherwise she simply can’t tell the difference between a carriage with four sets of double doors and one with two. This despite having written extensively about the geography of tube carriages for the last couple of weeks.

    So take your pick: idiot or liar. Either way, not exactly credible.

  45. 46 anonanonanon July 15, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    She has no idea. She is now vehemently claiming that the carriages are 40 metres, or possibly 32 metres long and that there are 7 carriages. The entire train is 107.6 metres, and comprises 6 carriages of 1973 stock, made up of linking 2 three-car sets with a cab, linked together. She says that I am referring to the old trains and have outdated information, but this is not the case.

    The 1973 stock is still in use.

    The train is 107.6 metres long. FACT. Not 240metres or 280 metres.

    Go and look at the diagram

    Felicity will argue black is white and that 10 steps is 20 metres and if she wants and ignore all proof to the contrary. How stupid is to insist in the face of all the evidence that carriages are 40metres long when they are closer to 16? That there are 7 when there are only 6? That the driver sits by the window in the carriage instead of in the cab?

    The story RN has come out with is consistent – by the first set of doors. Felicity is unable to accept it, just as she is unable to accept the fact of the rape – because she wants to feel good about hating RN so much.

    The only way she can cope with what she has done is to deny that it ever happened, or deny that RN is who she is.

    Someone who says 40metres and 280 metre long trains in the face of all the evidence and rpetrends they were at a station when they were not is a liar. And a scammer and a charaltan, come to that.

  46. 47 values July 15, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    She’s got so knotted up now.

    Carriages changing size like Alice down the rabbit hole.

    Take even her latest position: that Piccadilly trains have seven carriages of 32 metres. 7 x 32 = 224m. So Finsbury Park platform (and all the others) are minimum 224 m long. !!

    Also the ‘new’ carriages, i.e. her wiki carriages, are TWICE the length of the old ones. So pre-2001 Piccadilly Line trains would have been 14 coaches long then. Well, er, no. They weren’t. Meet the new coach, same as the old coach. Been fooled again?

    Just the most simple, basic basic stuff all goes pear shaped, and all for the hate of a poor maiden. Never mind the misquotes, like 40 injuries to RN’s face (she never said that).

    Sorry for one last extra shot, but the carriages thing is just so hilarious and it absolutely NAILS her methodology – exaggerate, misquote, deny, lie, cheat, evade, censor. Above all, don’t do basic work properly. That is the MO of that blog. To massive incompetence add hatred, result – incoherence. Just. Not. Credible.

  47. 48 pissing myself July 15, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    So according to this blog, North was a sex offender who raped a 17 year old then burst into the bombed carriage (having first taken out £500k insurance) in order to distract everyone from her crimes by trampling on 26 murder victims in order to get to Russell Square where she had arranged for the media to meet her and make her a celebrity?

    And you think this thesis is worth linking to and taking seriously, do you, livingwiththeconspiracy 24/7?

    Absolutely classic.

    Oh dear God, you’ll never, ever live this one down. Atall.

    LOL LOL ROTFL LOL LULZ X 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

  48. 49 Jeff July 15, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    So,

    If a tube carriage is 40 metres long, the total lenght with 7 x 40m carrages = 280 metres

    If a tube carriage is 32 metres long, the total lenght with 7 x 32m carrages = 224 metres

    So by deduction the author of that hate blog is maintaining that the Southbound Picadilly underground platform is between 224 and 280 metres long.

    So her underground trains are longer than the tallest towers in Russia (Naberezhnaya Tower) The tallest tower in that block is 268.4 meters (59-story)

    So her underground trains are longer than the tallest tower in Britian (One Canada Square) 235.1 metres (50 story)

    Her research is rubbish, her calculations are rubbish, her conviction for being a mad harassing stalker was upheld upon appeal, therefore everything on hate this site written by her is a tissue of lies with no evidence behind them except half-baked gossip and malice.

  49. 50 anon-referrer July 15, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Quite inadvertently (if only there were method rather than madness) – FJL has perfectly illustrated just why deluded conspiracy theorists like yourself will never rise to any position of prominence, will never be listened to or taken seriously. That isn’t a conspiracy to “keep you down”.

    Want to know why? Because you are ignorant, and you’ll believe any bollocks that is “published” without caring about the veracity of the information supplied, or indeed the source who provides it. Sometimes, when one omits to actually check the “facts”, it can all seem quite plausible. Scientific experiments can often be inconclusive but they are done with tools of measurement and so on. You’ll defend a website that just makes them up for the sole purpose of “exposing” RN as a liar? It is transparently clear that the only function it serves is to make FJL and yourself look like idiots – not hard in her case, but you’re making a strong bid for being just as bad as her.

    When your allies are people like the Oxford Uni-attended, Special Branch-recruited FJL (only those are all lies too) – then maybe it’s time for you to consider your position on all of this, because it don’t impress anyone else. You sanctimoniously try to uphold “free speech” when all you are doing is revealing another agenda altogether. You love the attention, sure, but achieving it on the back of a worthless, homeless and mentally ill person doesn’t make you look like the libertarian, it makes you look like an easily manipulated moron who will play the flimsy card of “free speech” all the while defending the morally indefensible.

    You disagree with what she says (or rather, you don’t agree with ALL of it – pah!) – but you’ll defend her right to do so, yeah? Someone should get your details and do what she did to others, to you (as a scientific experiment, you know, to test your tolerance? Let’s say, ooh, a couple of years? Your family, your employer… lots of ways to do this) – but no-one would actually be that malicious to go through with it.

    You don’t have the heart or intelligence to recognise the difference between hate speech and free speech, more fool you.

  50. 51 anon July 15, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Posting this here so Felicity will see it when she next visits.
    She will not let it through on her blog but I will send it to her as well.

    Here is a picture taken from the second set of doors inside the Piccadilly line carriage on a crowded journey.

    The grey plastic thing above red coat-looking-to camera man’s head is the yellow pole. Th eyellow pole is opposite the sliding doors. It is right in the centre of the space where passengers stand.

    The woman in the foreground is holding a blue rail. In front of her sits an gray-haired woman with glasses and a bun in the first one of a row of seats. Behind her, squished against the glass panel is a man with grey hair who has slotted himself into the space by the double doors.

    Next to him is a blonde woman with her back to us, she is hanging on to a rail?

    All these people are in the same rough area that the bomb went off in on 7/7. In fact, because the train was much more crowded than this, the bomber is though not to have got as far as the area where people sat. He was about where the man with a white knitted beanie hat is standing.

    It is terrible to think of it.

    Now look back a bit further into the carriage. See a yellow pole? That’s by the first set of doors in the centre of the space where passengers stand, by the doors.

    That is where Rachel says she was standing when she got on, and she describes being pushed back somewhat further towards the middle of the carriage as more people got on the train as it went to King’s Cross. Let’s assume she’s about where the person in a navy cap is seen in this photo. In line with the yellow pole, slightly to the right of it, maybe. Or perhaps like the dark haired, pale woman whose face you can see in profile looking to the left.

    That is about 7-10 feet away from the blast zone, isn’t it?
    You can see from the picture that the carriage is not 40 metres long.

    Here is another picture so you can see the yellow poles by the two sets of double doors.
    And here is the harrowing picture of the bombed Piccadilly line, taken from the opposite angle, looking towards the rear of the train. You can see the damage to the middle of the carriage where all the poor people were standing.

    Those not directly in the blast zone – by the first set of doors and at the end of the carriage were protected by the number of passengers crammed into the middle of the train.

  51. 52 neverinthatcarriage July 15, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Your commenters are mistaken. They have clearly not been on the Piccadilly line or anywhere near it. They ar making obseravtions from the Internet, which is unreliable at best. We encourage readers to look at our blog and evaluate evidence sensible. We also encourage readers to test our evidence for themselves.

  52. 53 anon-referrer July 15, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    “They ar making obseravtions from the Internet, which is unreliable at best. We encourage readers to look at our blog and evaluate evidence sensible.”

    For starters, can we evaluate evidence that is presented coherently, without spelling mistakes or typos, given the absence of established facts?

    If the Internet is unreliable (and you sure prove that point) – then why not publish it in a journal, or maybe take your findings elsewhere?

    You can’t, is why. In 2006 you said the steaming pile of nonsense that are your Ripper theories would be published. I expect you’re just putting the finishing touches before it is distributed to Borders, Waterstones and so on, right…?

    Maybe the public aren’t yet ready for your revelations.

    Or, maybe no-one is interested in a fraudulent, illiterate, fact-mangling serial stalker.

    You’ve done your new cronies (the people you always professed to hate) proud, by association, to plainly discredit their modus operandi – all the absurd and excitable fantasy theories that get dreamt up.

  53. 54 Anonymous July 15, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Hey IWTC,

    I thought you believed in absolute freedom of speech. Do you really think no one is haul you up for blocking comments? Do you think that blocking comments is so very different from deleting them? How is this compatible with your very public stance that everything should be published? I guess you just think that you won’t get caught. You are doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing ‘lalalala I can’t hear anything’.

    If you don’t like what’s happening, tough, you brought this on yourself by promoting Felicity’s bullshit and signing up to it. If you didn’t think there would be a consequence to that then you’re a bigger fool than you usually make yourself out to be. After all, it isn’t the fist time is it?

  54. 55 anon July 15, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    testing.

    Oh, you just wait.

  55. 56 Jeff July 15, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Proof that One Canada Square is 235.1 metres /50 storys high:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Canada_Square#Building_height

    Proof the Piccadilly tube carriages are the 1973 stock and still in use:
    http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/modesoftransport/londonunderground/rollingstock/1624.aspx

    Proof that the southbound platform is 108.3m long:
    Ring LU and ask. (I did)

    So not only are you a crap researcher Miss Malicity Low, you can’t even do simple multiplication or admit a flaw (or 1000) in your spiteful malicious rubbish.

    By the way, if you accuse someone of something, the burden of proof is on you to provide. So far, you have not managed that. It is not up to you to say “I’ve made up a load of shit, now prove me wrong”

    So far Rachel North has testified twice against you and the charge was made and upheld. She proved you wrong there, no question about it. I guess you figure it passes a few hours in that otherwise empty existance you call your life.

    Even if you do get your act together long enough to research and publish anything, there is not an ounce of credibility left to your name.

    You’ve ruined your life. Well done. I hope that thought keeps you very warm at night. However, there is no excuse to drag anyone else into the mire with you.

  56. 57 neverinthatcarriage July 15, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    We’ll probably be waiting quite a while. They are tribal lunatics of some kind by the look of it. Rest assured they’re probably writing from East Mongolia at the outset of some ceremony and everything will be calm tomorrow.

  57. 58 values July 15, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    “They have clearly not been on the Piccadilly line or anywhere near it.”

    4 double doors a car, felicity? You said it.

    Anyone, yourself included, can find out that that is simply not the case. Go on, lwtc, tell her. Tell her all about the mammoth carriages they have down there on the tube.

    You really really are a silly banana felicity. An absolute stonker of a hostage to fortune, that one. Utterly wrong and sooOOoo easy to check. You would get laughed out of playschool for that one.

    “Felicity can’t count, felicity can’t count”. I can hear it now. You couldn’t ever get the number of the Ripper victims right, either.

  58. 59 Anon2 July 15, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    You’ll notice the convicted criminal has never once denied her involvement with the hate site.

    She is delighted with the attention.

    Well there are all sorts of ways of getting all sorts of attention Malicity.

    You poor sad cow.

  59. 60 anon-referrer July 15, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    “They are tribal lunatics of some kind by the look of it. Rest assured they’re probably writing from East Mongolia at the outset of some ceremony and everything will be calm tomorrow.”

    This isn’t Tintin, you retarded child. You seem to think life is all Boys’ Own and Nancy Drew, with espionage and super-top-secret SECRETS with TOP SECRET stamped on them.

    You’re 45 now – you are supposed to have grown out of all that, but then there’s enough other A grade morons to give you the warm feeling that you are part of a “community”.

  60. 61 lwtc247 July 16, 2008 at 5:38 am

    anonanonanon. July 15, 2008 at 10:48 am

    You don’t actually acknowledge anything I write but touch on it tangentially. Try reading and thinking before you unload.

    “Nobody else is linking to this sick site” – Wrong, and Northsquad link to things even they denounce as sick.

    “You linked to a site where it was all said. Deliberately.” – stop being a moron. I linked to the so there was added context to at post. How many times do I have to repeat the same things before it enters your Neanderthal skull?

    “you can be called as a witness” – Huh? Witness to what??? That you persecuted someone and expend HUGE amounts of time and effort to beat up anyone that criticises Rachel? Hah! Witness!

    “What you call ‘Northsquad’ is largely people who had been abused by FJL” – too right! LARGELY. There are squaddies who have NOTHING to do with her.

    “what are you doing passing on criminal libel about someone who has not been convicted?” – Huh? Are you nuts? I’m not passing criminal liable about anything you numbskull. And stop the laughable attempts to invoke thoughts of legal action involving myself.

    “If you don’t want to discuss it why link and ask for comments?” – For the umpteenth time… No, go back and read what I said about this earlier, and I didn’t ASK for comments you joker. I said I expected any comments to discuss the merits of the info within the site.

    You keep pulling out of somewhere things I never said, and you never acknowledge your mistakes. You are one heck of a silly billy.

    “Why blog about RN and FJL on numerous occasions?” – Because at the time I had something to say about fjl and something to say about RN. HERE, ON THIS POST, I didn’t want to say anything, even though I am when replying you, chimpy! I’m beginning to think all your tangents are deliberate as surely no one can be so comatose to the words written in front of them over and over and over again.

    Re: button & Kollerstrom – the button is just a symbol of the Northsquad declaration of a purge. There may have been no buttons, but you pulped him real good. Bet it was satisfying huh? Want some more huh? Yeah!

    “He was outed” – Newspeak for being purged.

    “The only thing you have made any attempt to distance yourself from is the accusation RN was responsible for the death of her mother.” – for the n(th) time, there is no obligation for me to play your stupid game and go through what seems like a long list of things about RN (things that I’ve never even hinted at – EVER – IN MY ENTIRE LIFE) may have done or may not have done. My disagreement with killing her mother (or whatever) and by qualitative expression on it would tell all but the stupidest of people how I treat such baseless allegations.

    “You can write what you like about RN and see if she responds.” – I will if I feel the need, but right now I don’t. I’ve said all I have to say about her. I don’t care if she responds or not. She doesn’t respond to any rational question or points.

    “is no excuse for linking to a site saying she killed her mother” – I’ll link to anything I decide to. If you don’t like it tough. Let me tell you a little internet secret… Linking to something doesn’t mean you endorse it. I know that will be a very hard concept for you to grab, but try. Then try some more. And yet more.

    “You have no public interest in linking to that hate site.” – Oh stop it; idiot you who thinks they have a say in what people can or can’t do. Go sit on a drawing pin or something.

    “You publish it {Re: RN being a rapist / sex offender or whatever}” – Absolute tripe. I NEVER published ANY such thing. How stupid are you actually?

    “It is very clear indeed that you are part of a hate campaign…you are contributing to the hate campaign…there is no reason to publish hateblogs about her to punish her, you bullying creep” – Oh pee off. Sorry, but you’re a you moronic blubbering pratt. You’d obviously love it if I were and you’re obviously just too miserably stupid to think anything but.

    Re: RN’s trauma/mental problem. Your tangents are ridiculous. I quoted Rachel to show Rachel herself her has(or had) mental issues. Case closed – despite your foolish attempts to try and make something out of nothing.

    “Why are you choosing to pass it on? Could it be that you are gleeful at the thought that it might be upsetting to RN and her family? Sure looks that way to me.” – Well then try opening your stupid little eyes cos your wrong (yet again, ad nausium)

    “you alone have chosen to deliberately publicise” – Buzzzz. Wrong. Again, and don’t spin me providing a link for the purposes of context, into something you would like to be seen as a frigging advertising blitz.

    “you have written spitefully about RN” – You’ve never read anything I’ve written about her then, as its what she does and is doing that causes me concern, not what or who she is or her family or whatever. Will you stop trying to invent what I have said about her and marry that wrong presumption into personal attacks against Rachel. I think it’s clear to any one outside the Northsquad (not many that they could be bothered to read all these idiotic non-issue comments, which believe it or not, not everyone’s world centres around “the life and times of RN”) what you incessantly are jumping through hoops to do.

    “You obviously hate her” – Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Sorry, my universe isn’t fashioned around RN. Get over it. Your name isn’t Alistair Campbell is it? The smell of your spin is remarkable similar.

    “your own writing makes it quite plain” – the writing you’ve not read.

    “Oh yeah you are a conspiracy theorist” – Wrong. I’m an (independent) CONMSPIRALLON! Get it right. Where as you my dear Baldrick are an insufferable baboon.

    “a neo nazi, an anti semite” – What took you so long? I’m so disappointed in you. Well you’ve proved how slow and silly you are so I guess I shouldn’t have expected anything but.

    “if it is on the internet and contains lies and mad theories you’ll gulp it down.” – Well, your twitterings are on the internet, there’s lots of lies therein, and I am unfortunately gulping them down so I guess your right. Hourray. Twonk, une point.

    “So anyone should be allowed to publish any old shit, however libellous, hurtful and untruthful and not be challenged?” – I didn’t say that. That’s an avenue your non-too fertile mind has taken you to. Try and broaden your mind a wee bit. It’d work wonders (??)

    “Rachel is a person, not ‘the State’.” – She is putting forward the most popular view of the establishment, that the state screwed up.

    “If you have problems with the officuial narrative, take it up with the Home Office.” – thanks for the advice, pity you ignore those what would seek to wash the blood from the hands of the state by pushing for an inquiry with a predetermined conclusion. Great huh.

    “You’ve just admitted contributing to one of the nastiest hate campaigns in years.” – Look up the word IF. You might lean something (???).

    ” Screen grabbed and sent to google and the police and your IP provider.” – HAHAHAHAHA! HOURRAY! YIPPEE!!!! You’ve made my day. :) but don’t forget to send them my replies to your crazed perceptions. LOL. I’ve never seen a policeman laughing, let alone the touchy-feely village-idiot care division of the forces.

    Oh no, I’m sooooo scared. FEAR has finally embraced me. My life is in ruins. Aaaagh.

    “The purpose of this thread is to spread attacks on an individual” – BS. Clearly.

    “No, you published a vicious attack blog on RN as an individual.” – What kind of a thicko are you? I’ve not published a “vicious attack blog”. Gee wizz. You truly are insane.

    “I’d say so. Why not delete the thread and the blog post?” – Sorry. No can do.

    “You can wait and see what happens next.” – OOOOH. MORE THREATS FROM THE BIG BAD. Oh no, My fear level has jumped off the scale. I need a new scale now. I’ll call it the farcical twits scale in honour of you.

    “FJL reported RN to the police.” – I don’t give a flying frog. Why don’t you get lost somewhere and annoy some moss or something?

    If fjl is a convicted harasser I also don’t care. Life is a bit more important that that.

    “creaming yourself orgasmically” – Well, Tom Dick and Harry foolery does have its funny side, that is before it plummets into tedious crap and trust me the creaming didn’t last long.

    “rubbing yourself at the thought of how much hate you are linking to “ – Lobbox!

    You know, I’ve just entertained the thought of remove the link just now, simply as a favour to someone who has the most INTENSE hated of it. Trouble is, to do so now that you’ve threatened me I’ll leave it up there to make the plod’s life easier in throwing me in jail for the rest of my life for posting a link to a site you dislike (FHS)’ and it may be misinterpreted as be ‘giving in’, so you see, I like to take bullies on – always have, so I can’t pull it down now. Let the forces of justice ravage me for my evil and wicked acts.

    “No it isn’t. {your reply to lwtc247 saying he feels disgust at the attempt to graft issues with what Rachel does to any other 7/7 survivor}” – I’ve just queried my emotion oracle, and yes, sorry, it’s true, I am disgusted at you attempted ploy.

    “The blog you gleefully link to “ – Oh, you mean the blog that I don’t have any glee in linking to. Ok. I understand you. Carry on… hummm… scotch that last bit.

    “You have no idea, do you?” – I have an idea you are obsessed and rather stupid – just a tad.

    “you alone have outed yourself as so desperate to attack RN personally” – YAWN.

    “your little buddy FJL” – Obviously you ‘deduced’ that from ‘reading’ my blog – in which the declarations of friendship are copious. LOL. Aaah. Some cream again.

    “nobody has …made such complaints to…police about lwtc247” – Have you got a scroll button??? Try scrolling up to the term IP or police.

    “FJL accuses people of things that they never did and tells sickening lies – like you do” – errrm, DON’T is spelt as presented, not “do” as you have written it.

    Allah has a position on bearing false witness. – Indeed. And if I am guilty I shall face His Justice. But don’t think there is a case to answer on all this.

    “defending {fjl}” – I’m NOT defending her.

    Thank heaven I’ve finished replying to your ‘comment(s)’. I don’t think I can do you the courteously again. Sorry. Too time consuming trying to straighten hyperbole.

    I’m tapped out now. I’ve got nothing else to say. I’ve made my case. Sorry to all others ANONYMOUS people who may have similar things to say.

  61. 62 lwtc247 July 16, 2008 at 6:21 am

    values – July 15, 2008 at 1:12 pm.

    thanks for a more reasoned comment, I appreciate it, and as such, my glucose levels have risen again to compose a reply.

    If you think fjl is vile, then I can’t stop you having a go, but that doesn’t mean I’ll not feel uneasy if ‘having a go’ in fact ‘goes’ down certain avenues, but if no torch and no pitchfork, then I can’t really complain.

    Cecilieaux seems alright to me, intelligent and corial even if we have different view on things.

    last time I checked, my post expressing my concern at my words being used in that site were not published. I don’t know why, but I think it’s a pretty damn poor way to treat my comment and my primary concern about my material. So whoever is behing that site, their perception of free speech is rather different from mine.

    I repeat. I have nothing to do with that site, and feel annoyed by it. But I’m not going to give the order to ‘pull it’.

    “you, as her only internet buddy”- I’m not her internet buddy. I’m glad she’s living life again as shown by her return to blogging – but that’s it. I’m neither pro or anti fjl, but I must say I’d diagree strongly with her if she was behind any of those allegations listed earlier.

    @ values.

    “he will know you are puppeting. He (probably) won’t tell us (credit to him if he does)” – sorry that kind of stuff doesn’t interest me. But glad people are putting forward what they regard as debunking of the info in never-in-that-carraige as myths should be debunked. That’s the kind of thing I was looking for here – IF any comments were to be offered.

    Rubbish about 7/7 should be exposed! Absolutely. – no matter who says it. That’s why I queired Rachels reporting of ‘SMOKE’ and the supposed use of TATP. I’ve got one or two ‘pet’ theories which I believe are based on rational thoughts, however in the absence of what I regard as proof, I’m prepared to shift to a different position should what I’ve come to think about 7-7 is also rubbish – but at least give me a concrete reason showing so!. I’ve always maintained that position. I should say however, I’ve seen precious little that has made me re-examine my stance on 7-7 (or 9-11), or the War OF Terror come to that. If

    Debunking should be a two edged sword. In reality however it is seldom allowed the opportunity.

    @ anon-referrer
    July 15, 2008 at 4:06 pm “deluded conspiracy theorists like yourself {lwtc247} will never rise to any position of prominence” – Your that insecure??? You think that drives my motor? Strewth! enough of you other than to say Re:“without spelling mistakes or typos, given the absence of established facts?
    – Stop being so damn pretentious. This is a comments section of a personal blog, Not a library of queens Inglish.

    @ Anonymous July 15, 2008 at 5:13 pm “Do you really think no one is haul you up for blocking comments?” – some things are worth fighting for. A powerful level of freedom of speech is such a thing.

    “Do you think that blocking comments is so very different from deleting them?” – I do neither and I think the two things are almost equivalent.

    “I guess you just think that you won’t get caught. You are doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing ‘lalalala I can’t hear anything’.” – Don’t be a such a tosser like anonanonanon is most of the time. Address reality.

    “If you didn’t think there would be a consequence to that then you’re a bigger fool than you usually make yourself out to be. After all, it isn’t the fist time is it?” – Oh for pity’s sake, Keep your scorn for a more worthy target like Brown etc.

    @ values July 15, 2008 at 5:32 pm
    “Go on, lwtc, tell her.” – It’s been too long since I’ve been on the tube ‘Values’, so I can’t comment. But as you said, anyone can find validate the claim.

    There, Thats it. I’m done.

  62. 63 lwtc247 July 16, 2008 at 6:44 am

    Someone coming here has left URL pointing here:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/london_blasts/what_happened/html/russell_sq.stm

    It’s relevent to what’s being said. I’ve not seen it before. Can’t see any timestamp either, and curiously, they use RN’s proper name of “Rachel McFayden”.

    Caveat: It’s on the BBC!

  63. 64 values July 16, 2008 at 8:57 am

    Not exactly proof, but noticed this, a sock puppet on a post ‘diagnosing’ fjl (at a distance) as a morbid narcissist. The point is not the analysis (which has stood the test of time remarkably well) but the spelling.

    “24170. another day said:
    Felicity is trouncing you all with her style. She writes extremely well. Makes you look an ass, Unity. She doesn’t give you too much time either I see. Perhaps that will be your first blow, outdone by a genuine psychologist- you charletan.”

  64. 65 anon July 16, 2008 at 9:50 am

    You’ve never read anything I’ve written about her then, as its what she does and is doing that causes me concern, not what or who she is or her family or whatever. Will you stop trying to invent what I have said about her and marry that wrong presumption into personal attacks against Rachel

    I have now read everything you have written about Rachel North, by doing a search on this blog and your old blog for ‘Rachel’. What I have seen is a series of long posts about her, none of which are complimentary and many of which are personal attacks.

    1. As an example, do you think calling someone a Shrieking mushroom( !!), saying they have mental problems, are in an unstable emotional state and is thick-skulled constitutes personal abuse or not? I think it is personal abuse.

    2. There are numerous entries on your blog about Rachel North. I can find zero mention of you on her blog so I can only conclude that you have decided to go for her of your own accord. I do not see any mention of a history between you two or whether you have ever met in real life.

    3. All the entries about her written by you, without fail are negative and many contain personal attacks. One of the things I notice you do is castigate her for what people who read her blog or talk to her do or say. As if she is entirely repsonsible for them. Do you think that is fair? If you write a blog piece are you responsible for the comments, or what people who link to you say and do? No, so why is Rachel made responsible for what people do and say after reading or talking to her?

    4. One issue you seem to have with Rachel North is that you say you do not believe that she was actually harassed by one Felicity Lowde, and you have said that North ‘entangled Lowde is a legal process’, strongly implying Lowde, not North is the victim. This is rather like saying women in short skirts are responsible for being raped. It comes over as victim-bashing. Especially when you know that it was Lowde who sought to entangle North by making the initial complaints to the police about North and North wrote nothing about Lowde until she reported her conviction a year later. I can see why this attitude would make people angry.

    What are people who are harassed and threatened to do, if ignoring the attacks makes no difference and the harasser then makes false complaints to the police about them and the police ask them to give evidence? If the person being attacked is already having a difficult time, how much more difficult must it be if they then become the target of a hate campaign from a disturbed stranger?

    I will point out again that harassment is a crime, as is sending hate mail, making threats, and that defamation and false complaints to the police are unlawful. It should be clear that the case was about harassment, not blogging.

    Why such a negative view of the victim in the case? I’m sorry to say that it looks like it is purely because North is known for campaigning for an independent inquiry, but takes as a starting point that London *was* bombed by 4 Muslim men on 7/7 05. As far as I can see, all the survivors and families also think this as do the vast majority of the public. Yet it is only North, not the other campaigning families and survivors whom you attack, personally and repeatedly, using the stalking case as ammo to have a go at her, accusing her of whipping up a hate mob when a blog button campaign to track down a serial harasser ran after the harasser was convicted. This is because you agree with her position. Do you think that justified the personal abuse though? She is not the State. She is a person.

    If you have problems with people saying nasty, but truthful things on the internet about Lowde, why do you not have a problem with linking to and writing nasty and unfounded/unproven things about RN yourself? It looks as if you will defend Lowde but not North, be angry when people write about Lowde but not North. That looks like double standards to me and the only explanation I can see is that you disagree with North’s belief – a common belief – about the guilt of the bombers.

    I question whether your motives and tactics are fair ones and I suggest that you seized upon the Lowde harassment case as an opportunity to have a go at North because you disagree with her political stance. Alistair Campbell would recognise your methods. Disagree with the politics? Attack the person.

    5. Remember that Lowde the harasser WAS convicted and WAS wanted for arrest after conviction. Whatever you think about harassment, she was found guilty of it after a trial and sent to jail for it. She was tracked down when she chose to go on the run as a result of the brief button campaign. She has FOUR convictions now for harassment and recently lost her appeal so she has been found guilty twice over of harassing RN. Your opinion is against the opinion of the courts, she had 2 trials and legal representation throughout and the chance to put her case and cross examine North and challenge her. Continuing to challenge the veracity of what happened is pointless, since all the evidence she had to defend herself was put forward and her account of things was found to be false.

    6. You have seen the sort of stuff Lowde writes, ( killing her mother/sex offender etc) – you must see how vicious and how inaccurate it is, the latest blog being a good example ( trains that are longer than the highest building on Canary Wharf etc). You have now distanced yourself from it, possibly because you have belatedly seen how bad it really is.The author as you admit, does not put comments through and twists people’s words including your own.

    7. You have a problem with the Govt version of 7/7, fair enough. so does North and many of the families but you seem to think the bombers were innocent. This is a minority view, and you must be able to see how it is upsetting for those involved who believe otherwise.

    I can see how conspiracy theorists approaching survivors and families and telling them the bombers were innocent would be upsetting. North has said that she has had problems with conspiracy theorists attacking her and in response has called them ‘conspiraloons’, apparently in response to far more abrasive things being said to her and about her ( shill, liar, Zionist, mediawhore, nazi, facist, sick, controlled, scum, plant are just some of the ones I found when I looked on the 9/11 boards).

    Your response to North’s anger at what she calls ‘conspiraloons’ is to attack her on your blog, repeatedly, and deny the fact that she was the victim of a crime, rather making her point for her – that conspiracy theorists go in for personal attacks. I cannot see any personal attacks about you on her blog anywhere.

    8. Now I don’t think this is fair. Why repeatedly attack North and North alone? Why not attack other survivors and families who also say they believe in the bombers’ guilt? Why not attack the government or security forces? Why just go for one woman, over and over again? It looks like bullying. If her response to being villified and pestered is to call conspiracy theorists ‘conspiraloons’ and this anges you since you don’t buy the official version and feel slured, does that still justify the no-hold-barred response towards her? Especially as you yourself say maintain is emotionally vulnerable and mentally distressed?

    9. The desire to attack her on this blog extends to the extent that you will put up a link to an obvious smear/hate blog, and ask people to discuss the content, even though the content is obviously defamatory and pretty disgusting. Yes, I know you said you did so to distance yourself from it. But I don’t think, when you look at the evidence of all your past posts on North, that was the only reason. Most people don’t put up links to National Front sites in order to distance themselves from them, fro example and encourage discussion of the content. Most people steer well clear, knowing that to link is to encourage traffic to the hatesite.

    10. You can bluster all you like, but from the outside it looks like you want to ostensbily disassociate from the hateblog but at the same time point to it. You are even quoted on it, in a passage that infers North is a liar. There are comments on it from you. When you are told the author is one Felicity Lowde, you wriggle and say you are not interested in who the author is. If you had never written anything about RN, I’d think you were just distancing yourself, but taken with all the other posts about her, and Lowde, it tells a different story.

    There’s nothing rude in this post so I’d appreciate it if you could keep the insults out of it.

    Thanks

  65. 66 anon July 16, 2008 at 9:52 am

    This is because you agree with her position

    sorry this should read DISAGREE

  66. 67 anon-referrer July 16, 2008 at 10:13 am

    Too right, values. If there’s one thing Lowde does consistently, as well as relentless, obsessive stalking, its a refusal to adapt her peculiar and idiosyncratic spellings and syntax. Rhemes. Atall. Charletan. It goes on.

    As for her being a genuine psychologist, this was apparently raised in court, and the judge confronted on her this matter, a claim which she was forced to retract – given that a module as part of a former polytechnic degree is really not the same. Atall.

    Lwtc247, Can you see that you might be wrong now, that there is increasingly incontrovertible evidence that FJL is behind all this stuff you still have the foolishness to believe is mere speculation? Probably not, because you just can’t quite bring your proud, wilful self to see reality.

  67. 68 lwtc247 July 16, 2008 at 10:13 am

    anon – July 16, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Sorry, not interested in your tangents, so why dontcha go away and annoy that moss

  68. 69 lwtc247 July 16, 2008 at 10:16 am

    anon-referrer – July 16, 2008 at 10:13 am

    “Lwtc247, Can you see that you might be wrong now” – Well the case against fjl has certainly had a good airing, but to be honest, I’m not really interested in what fjl does with herself. Sorry (inc. you fjl) but that’s just how it is, and I’m not so happy that despite numerous requests, fjl has still formed the focus of comments here.

    Well, heck, it’s only my blog!

  69. 70 anon-referrer July 16, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    she WILL be disappointed that, like everyone else, you don’t give a flying fig about her rather water-saturated arguments.

  70. 71 anon July 16, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    What a lot of ranting about an anonymous blog which is a very funny account of nutty North the media parrot.

    Must be Northy. No one else cares. Own up to your comments Northy.

  71. 72 values July 16, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Funny? Attacking george roskilly? How hilarious. The only funny thing is you can’t count carriages, or metres. All highlighted in a post using the word ‘experiment’. Ha.

    You have no shame felicity, and have had none for years. So, pleas to make you stop don’t work, ignoring you doesn’t work and appeals to finer nature don’t work. You just can’t stop, can you? A life with literally no meaning outside of your seething, pathological jealousy.

    Well, right now you are not impressing anyone. You are simply sitting in the middle of a pool of your own fetid shit.

    Don’t ask for sympathy.

  72. 73 Sov Dtekel July 16, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    “an anonymous blog which is a very funny”

    So ‘anon’, you then think that;

    Being accused of the sexual abuse of a minor is funny?
    Being accused of killing your mother is funny?
    Being accused of exploiting a situation where people were murdered is funny?
    Being accused of taking out insurance prior to a terrorist event (therefore inferring you knew it was going to happen) is funny?
    Being accused of lying about being raped is funny?
    Being accused of lying about being in a terrorist explosion “for a prank” is funny?
    Being accused of ignoring the dying and injured is funny?
    Being accused of being old, mad, useless and lying about your experience on that carriage that day is funny?
    Being accused of being complicit with your father in a scam is funny?
    Being accused of being an insult to the serving forces and war victims is funny?
    Being accused of being as sick and as warped as the author of that blog is, is funny?
    Being accused of victimising other survivors of that day is funny?
    Being accused of interfering with the work of the security services is funny?

    You’re wrong ‘anon’. You’ve missed the point. (This is the bit that is really quite sad actually (Apologies to another author for swiping their text)

    – that YOU, FJL, YOU secretly longs for a day in court’ where YOU will be ‘exposed’ and YOUR story found to be ‘a psychotic fantasy’

    – that YOUR, FJL, YOUR ‘versions of various events are full of bizarre contradictions and falsehoods’.

    – That YOU, FJL, YOU has ‘contempt aversion and disgust towards others’, especially other survivors and families, that ’YOU believes other people’s lives are worth very little’ and that ‘life owes YOU a living’, that YOU … oh never mind that bit.

    – that YOU ’surrounds YOURself with abusive people’ cos no-one else wants to be your friend.

    – That there is’ not a single piece of evidence to support any claim YOU make about anything

    – that comments are ON YOUR BLOG, FJL are ‘not censored’ and that the blog is ‘neutral and objective’

    -that ‘if this discussion results in any legal proceedings, YOUR, FJL, YOUR version of reality will finally be exposed as a realm of psychotic fantasy.’

  73. 74 anon July 17, 2008 at 8:58 am

    A lot of fantasies going on here. The blog is anonymous.

  74. 75 Science Guy July 17, 2008 at 9:04 am

    Well the case against fjl has certainly had a good airing, but to be honest, I’m not really interested in what fjl does with herself.

    That’s a very interesting statement.

    You’re an intelligent guy, lwtc. Come on, admit it, that statement is tantamount to saying “yes, I now realise that only a complete and utter moron would not be able to figure out that fjl was behind this website.” That’s right, isn’t it?

    So just say so. I know, I know, it’s difficult, because if everybody was right about that, then they might have been right about all the other things they said about fjl as well, and that makes you look bad, doesn’t it?

    But I promise we won’t hold it against you. It’s good to get things off your chest. Repeat after me…

    “I, lwtc, am happy to state that FJL is clearly the author of this website. As such, I am also happy to state that it was clearly set up out of malice and vindictiveness, and not through any genuine attempt to investigate any aspect of the 7/7 incident. And furthermore, as such, it has no relevance whatsoever to my own OR Rachel North’s respective campaigns, and can be safely ignored for the putrid pile of dog poo that it is.”

    Go on. You know you want to. You’ll feel better. Promise.

  75. 76 anonmouse July 17, 2008 at 10:39 am

    ‘The site makes the following extremely serious allegations.

    – that RN was directly responsible for the death of her mother
    – that any writing about grief by RN is ’suspicious’
    – that RN was not on the bombed carriage on the Piccadilly line, but deliberately broke into the bombed carriage full of the bodies and body parts of 26 murdered people and the seriously wounded in order to exit to Russell Square where she hoped to secure a media interview that would lead to her becoming a celebrity
    – that prior to 7/7 her husband deliberately took out an anti-terrorism insurance policy to make money out of RN claiming to ‘have been injured when she was never injured ( not even a scratch) and from this RN and her husband have made a great deal of money – up to £500k
    – that RN has had plastic surgery to either create or conceal scars
    – that RN is a cruel scammer and not a victim, an ambitious liar and a fraud who has not only deceived the public but the bomb victims but also is responsible for delays in their compensation payments, or a government plant pushing disinformation.
    – That RN ‘cries rape’ repeatedly, that there is doubt that she ever was raped, and that she fabricates stories
    – that a male survivor of carriage one commenting is ‘a greasy newspaper reporter’ or ‘experienced prank blogger’ or ‘one of Rachel’s internet groupies’
    – that other survivors also entered the carriage of corpses and injured and ignored them to walk to Russell Square
    – that RN attacks people and causes trouble and make accusations ‘for the hell of it’ and ‘flings hate at innocent bystanders,
    – that RN’s vicar father is a ‘phoney’ or ‘deceived’ by RN, that he ‘never saw’ RN after the rape or bomb to ascertain if his daughter had injuries, that his nervous breakdown was a ‘put on’, he is ‘making a show’ and is a ‘religious extremist’, and ’sly’ and ‘complicit’ with RN in a ’scam’
    – that RN is a ’sex offender’ because she probably ‘lied’ about being raped by a 17 year old, that it was ‘consensual’ and that she invented the rape story to avoid prosecution as a sex offender
    – that RN deceived Richard and Judy and the makers of the show and the audience of the show, and the media in general
    – That RN is ‘fishing for an OBE’
    – That RN is in the money’ whilst the people who were blown apart get nothing’
    – that RN’s ‘conduct is an atrocious insult to British and US troops and the Iraq war victims’.
    – That another survivor featured in a documentary who was even closer to the bomb than some of the most severely injured yet who escaped with few injuries is a ’strange old man who was tied up by Rachel’, a ‘Walter Mitty character’ who is ‘not credible’, ‘ageing’ and ’suffers from nervous disorders’, who ‘lost his mind and his memory then Rachel North filled his head’, may ‘believe in UFOs’, an ‘obviously inadmissible witness’, a’distressed and nervous elderly person’, who ‘was manipulated’, a ‘poor old man who lost his memory coming under the influence of Rachel North’, that he is either’ deceived’ or mentally ill and ‘poor’ and ‘a stranger to this country’
    – That RN ‘exposed’ Danny Biddle [who has never been exposed for anything] and the fact that ‘he was injured to the point of no repair is of no consequence to her’
    – that RN has ‘a bank of computer screens’ and a ‘number of blackberries’ to ‘keep her up to date whenever her name is mentioned’ online and that she has ‘thwarted several counter terrorism operations’
    – that RN secretly longs for a day in court’ where she will be ‘exposed’ and her story found to be ‘a psychotic fantasy’
    – that RN’s ‘versions of various events are full of bizarre contradictions and falsehoods’.
    – That RN has ‘contempt aversion and disgust towards others’, especially other survivors and families, that ’she believes other people’s lives are worth very little’ and that ‘life owes her a living’, that she and her husband ‘are living a life of luxury while other victims suffer’
    – that she ’surrounds herself with abusive people’ who indulge in ‘celebrity worship’ and ‘collective back’ covering whilst the evidence against RN is ‘overwhelming’
    – That there is’ not a single piece of evidence to support RN’s claim to be where she claims to have been on the morning of that fateful morning’ and that ‘her evidence is totally unreliable at best’
    – that comments are ‘not censored’ and that the blog is ‘neutral and objective’
    -that ‘if this discussion results in any legal proceedings, RN’s version of reality will finally be exposed as a realm of psychotic fantasy.’

    By anyone standards that is a hate blog, a smear blog, and a libel blog.

    It is clear that the author has an agenda, and is obsessed to the point of near-psychosis with attacking Rachel North.

    The question of the author is is relevant – any investigator, researcher, journalist or blogger should examine their sources.

    The idea that investigation into who wrote it is ‘pointless’ is ridiculous.

    The fact that you are linking to it is deplorable. The allegations on it are sickening and sick. There can be no excuses or justification for it. Not free speech, nor public interest.The things on it should never be said about anyone.

    It is nothing but a catalogue of hatred and smears.’

    The blog does not say these things? it asks questions and people comment.Like all blogs.

    This comment looks like a train passenger we all know and love. Why be anonymous? If you really can defend the questions on that blog Missus then do so. Have you been sending that blog anonymous comments? It looks like it. Are they censoring your ranting and raving? .

  76. 77 anon July 17, 2008 at 11:42 am

    The blog does say exactly those things, anonymous blogger ‘never in that carriage’.

    This comment looks like a convicted criminal we all know as Felicity Lowde. Why be anonymous? If you really can defend the questions on that blog Missus then do so. Have you been sending this blog anonymous comments? It looks like it.

    I can see the fact that North has not responded is annoying you.

    Have you managed to find a train that is taller than the tallest tower in London yet?

    Or one with 25 metre carriages?

    Or anyone who gives a shit about your latest woeful campaign?

    Glad you’re keeping busy anyway. Last summer you were in jail for harassing Rachel North. What are you up to a year later?

    4 convictions, and you still haven;t learned anything. That’s because you’re either stupid, or mentally ill.

  77. 78 values July 17, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Last time. Really.

    Science Guy: I applaud your sentiments, but:

    best not tell lwtc what to do or think. That way lies deadlock. This is his blog and he can write what he likes, (within the laws of the land and the terms of his isp). He may also enjoy all this attention. He says he doesn’t and I believe him, but it is not perhaps wise to force the issue.

    However the goal we would both like may be obtainable in other ways.

    Lwtc: I am not a 7/7 person. I don’t read 7/7 stuff, and my ‘involvement’ with fjl goes back way before RN. I knew of 2 people seriously affected by her long before I realised the scale of the RN stuff. I turn up on fjl threads because she must not (imo) be allowed to spread her poison unchallenged. Anything in her vicinity gets heated and frequently very nasty. The common denominator is her.

    There is a lot of stuff that can’t be said on the web about her, and there are a number of people who know this stuff. Remember, her ASBO has sixteen names on it. RN is the LAST name to be added. That is what makes me (and others) so impatient with the shallowness of the likes of Alex Fear, who will not listen to, or even accept, the enormous body of back-story to the fjl thing. He just latches on to the nearest bit of the story, makes wild. rather conceited assumptions, adds in affected moral outrage and condemns a whole raft of people for opposing fjl’s psychotic rampage through life. The only moral outrage appropriate is against fjl, not for her.

    She has ended up in the very small, superheated 7/7 community through sheer happenstance. The last circle she infected was the ripper community, but she found no support and after she tried to boss them around they laughed her out of town. Unfortunately her next attempt to make status for herself was the KCU thing, where her mawkish pseudo-sympathy got her a slot for a while. Very unfortunately she then got added onto the side of a spat between RN and the truthers. Neither side has any real interest in her at all, or any real beef with her. She simply invents conflict out of thin air. It is her one notable talent. But she found ‘support’ from certain quarters and – bingo – here we are two years later. The 7/7 truth people have very gradually learned the truth that fjl is a poor tool to beat anyone with, and will break off in your hands. Anyone who has supported her has slowly distanced themselves.

    So.

    Anyone who ever writes about her gets visited. She googles herself obsessively. Experienced fjl-ers write about her not using her name, There is a good deal of very intelligent writing about her, but you won’t find it in searches. Side effect – most of the prople on the ASBO eventually found each other, compared notes and helped each other get over the whole ghastliness.

    Now whenever anyone hosts an open thread about her two things happen. 1. she shows up – repeatedly – and socky theatre starts. 2. a load of other people who know about her turn up, too, because an open thread is too good a chance to miss, because she ruthlessly censors discussion anywhere near her, if she can. There is no northsquad, but there is a great deal of joined up antipathy to fjl by now. Mistaken reasoning by the fearqsquad; inversion of causes and effects.

    I, for one, would enjoy a small phrase or two from you, merely saying that you have no common cause with fjl (which you assuredly don’t), that you reject wild personal attacks as a way of proceeding (which you have certainly said), and that the hate blog in question is clearly a hate blog. That way you could win some friends and we could actually find some agreement in all this.

    Whether fjl is the author is not really at issue for anyone who knows her MO, her spelling, her motivation and her pet themes. However, it is not a matter provable in a blog comment thread, and it is not entirely reasonable to expect you either to decide this matter or to pronounce upon it. But harassment only requires a civil standard of proof – and this is a central, much repeated misunderstanding of fjl’s. The Crown (for it is the Crown that has prosecuted her 4x, not RN) does not have to do any more than represent that ON BALANCE OF PROBABILITIES that fjl was the harasser. This is why she keeps losing, because she is so bloody obvious, and is such a bad witness and a blatant liar.

    However, my central concern in all this is that fjl understands that her behaviour on the web is unacceptable amongst decent folk.

    Or whatever. Do what you like.

  78. 79 anon July 17, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Sad really. Rachel has broadcast herself to millions. The blog could be and probably is, anyone. No one is reading this thread, are they. They’ve all stopped off at neverinthatcarriage probably .

  79. 80 Anonymous July 17, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Felicity, how can you say ‘No one is reading this thread’ when there are 78 comments so far?

  80. 81 anon July 17, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Since you are determined to believe that you can attribute that blog to one possibly non existent person on whom you are desperate to pin it there’s no point arguing with you is there. Doubtless the comments are all written by Rachel North’s supporters who always fling their pathetic accusations about any web activity that questions Rachel’s activity on a scapegoat.

  81. 82 anon July 17, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    ‘there’s no point arguing with you is there.’

    No, Felicity, there is no point arguing here. Glad you have finally grasped Now go away and think about what you have just said.

    While you are at it, try learning to write in intelligible English

  82. 83 anon-referrer July 17, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    “Doubtless the comments are all written by Rachel North’s supporters who always fling their pathetic accusations about any web activity that questions Rachel’s activity on a scapegoat.”

    Flinging their accusations on a scapegoat? I’m getting some interesting mental images here. Actually – I know someone who is good with photoshop… That would be good, together with that line she wrote about flogging a row of dead horses.

    Felicity, you really are stupid, aren’t you? Maybe it is because you left school so hastily to bring up your son – the one who has disowned you, who rightly told you to “fuck off”, in the words of a private email he sent that YOU published.

    That poly you went to never taught you much, it would seem…

  83. 84 anon July 17, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Probably best to leave you to stew in your own misappropriated and misdirected venom.

    Accuse me of being Felicity go on do.

  84. 85 anon-referrer July 17, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    OK. I accuse you of being Felicity.

    Its rather obvious with all this stuff about stewing in “misappropriated venom” – a style of language quite unique to you. Idiot.

  85. 86 anon July 17, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    The following comment is also Felicity Lowde, who is unable to spell
    ‘Whupped’ as in ‘whupped your ass’ and uniquely spells it ‘wopped’.

    Felicity is the only person sick enough to dismiss a violent stranger rape in the following manner

    ‘We are all told about how this seventeen year old allegedly wopped her ass and must pay with his life ( a likely story)’

    ‘Her husband was not there when she was raped ( if she ever really was) ‘She claims she had no less than FORTY seperate injuries on her face and that it was “unrecognisable.” You can’t cover that sort of damage up with cake. She’s got a mark above her lip but it looks like a defect mother nature left her.’

    Felicity is obsessed with raped and murdered women, but she only likes dead ones.

    She has also attacked Girl One Track Mind when she spoke out about rape.

    Felicity Lowde is a very sick, creepy woman indeed. It is no surprise that her family have disowned her and she has no friends.

    It’s good that her sick lies can be exposed on this blog.

    Hello Felicity, you sick creepy liar. I hope the rest of your life is even more shit than it already is. What you write only goes to show how sick and tormented you are.

    My sympathies to your family.

  86. 87 anon July 17, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    No sicko psych, I am not the woman you accuse me of being, I am not a WOMAN at all. Touche!

    You are a misguided bloody nutter going by the name of ‘Unity’ who ought to be exposed for what or rather WHO he is.

    Wouldn’t take much to out you, would it. Not much at all. It’s overdue.

  87. 88 anon July 17, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    ‘Felicity is obsessed with raped and murdered women, but she only likes dead ones.’

    You Unity are an absolute bloody maniac. Felicity Lowde has never shown such a trait. She is a woman with more qualifications and style than you can muster in a decade. You are the blog symbol, of clueless derangement.

    Time to hang you out to dry.

  88. 89 not unity July 17, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Ha, you are obsessed with Unity because he described you as having Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Or is it just a coincidence that you’ve left dozens of messages on his website…?

    You’re being laughed at by everyone here – I’d leave it if I were you.

    And an old family friend, Peter Oppenheimer, said if he sees you again he will take you straight to the police station.

    So no more asking him for money… he was taken in, but like everyone else who sees you for the person you are, now you have been plainly exposed, that’s not going to happen anymore.

  89. 90 not unity July 17, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    “She is a woman with more qualifications and style than you can muster in a decade”

    Style – seen what she looks like and it ain’t pretty.

    Qualifications – a scrappy degree from a former polytechnic is hardly some extraordinary achievement. In fact, if she is still so proud of this (look at her in her mortar board!) at the age of 45, then she is one sad sack indeed.

  90. 91 anonymous July 17, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Felicity Lowde is not only obsessed with raped and murdered women – the more gory and brutal the rape/murder, the more interested she is.
    She likes the victims to be dead, then she can indulge her perverse fantasy of ‘speaking for them’ and ‘hearing the voices of the lost’.

    Key quote: ‘I hear the voices of the lost. they speak to me’

    However, if any woman actually survives a brutal rape, or attempted murder and speaks out about it, Felicity hates them and attacks them on her blog. Key examples: Joanne Lees. Women bloggers who speak about rape such as North and Girl One Track Mind are the target of particular vitriol.

    Felicity Lowde is obsessed with raped and murdered women: the evidence.

    1. Obsessive posting about the Ipswich sex-worker murders.
    2. Creepy love-letter written to Lucie Blackman ‘ Lucy, you were not alone’ in which Felicity claimed to ‘hear her voice’ and to speak for her and to think of her all the time.
    3. Spending 4 years on a bizarre piece of worthless demented’research’ which is all about the murdered, eviscerated Ripper victims. The photos she linked to were the horrific crime scene photos, the ones which are today some of the most graphic and horrific crime scenes ever photographed. Likewise, when writing about the Holocaust, Felicity linked to a very disturbing website filled with photos and detail of the medical experiments carried out on inmates of concentration camps – an obscure, but sick site – not a standard historical site.
    4. Slavering over a 9/11 victim standing in the tower before it fell ‘ if only we could have heard her witness evidence. To be in that moment for only ten minutes)
    5. Expressed desire to see the Princess Diana death-crash photos taken at the scene ‘ In fact, I want several copies’
    6. Obsessive posting and fascination with Jill Dando murder, ( title of blog post ‘ I like to keep the stain’)

    She has an unusual aberrantly psychology; apparently a female misogynist, drawn to sexualised murder, humiliation and violence of women, yet mawkish about victims whose experiences she appropriates voyeuristic ally as her own. She seems fetishistically drawn to suffering and pain. This profile fits a sadistic sociopath who lacks empathy and the normal range of human emotions but are drawn to extreme emotions manifested in others, notably pain and torture. Male sociopaths are more likely to act out using physical violence, female sociopaths will use emotional violence.

    The internet is a perfect playground for personality-disordered women like Felicity, where she can indulge her sick and sadistic pleasures to the full. As someone who also has strong indications of narcissistic personality disorder, she must also get attention, and where possible, notoriety so previous rampages of hate have been done under her own name.

    She learned from the last jailing, and this time she has gone anonymous. However, her unique syntax, spelling, obsessions are extremely familiar to a group of people whom she has been harassing for the last 8 years.

    North was the simply latest in a very long line of her targets.

    As to her ‘qualifications’: she left school pregnant at 17 and had a son. Later on she went to Oxford poly where she did a degree module in modern languages and psychology, and passed, (just). She had picked up French and Italian when she ran away to France to avoid trouble in the UK.

    She has no other qualifications and has never had a job due to her severe mental illness.

  91. 92 not unity either July 17, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Sense of entitlement; Unremorseful; Apathetic to others; Unconscionable behavior; Blameful of others; Manipulative and conning; Affectively cold; Disparate understanding; Socially irresponsible; Disregardful of obligations; Nonconforming to norms; Irresponsible.

    1. Failure to conform to social norms; 2. Deceitfulness, manipulativeness; 3. Impulsivity, failure to plan ahead; 4. Irritability, aggressiveness; 5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others; 6. Consistent irresponsibility; 7. Lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person

    Egocentricity; Callousness; Impulsivity; Conscience defect; Exaggerated sexuality; Excessive boasting; Risk taking; Inability to resist temptation; Antagonistic, deprecating attitude toward the opposite sex; Lack of interest in bonding with a mate.

    Glib and superficial charm; Grandiose sense of self-worth; Need for stimulation; Pathological lying; Conning and manipulativeness; Lack of remorse or guilt; Shallow affect; Callousness and lack of empathy; Parasitic lifestyle; Poor behavioral controls; Promiscuous sexual behavior; Early behavior problems; Lack of realistic, long-term goals; Impulsivity; Irresponsibility; Failure to accept responsibility for own actions; Many short-term marital relationships; Juvenile delinquency; Revocation of conditional release; Criminal versatility

    The following link contains a useful summary

    http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/narcissism/antisocial_sociopath_psychopath.html

    The standard checklist for sociopathy fits Lowde perfectly.

    I now expect a series of posts accusing North, Unity and other bloggers of having a mental illness. Her choice of anonymity will be harder for her here, as she will be unable to raise her poor polytechnic degree with a module in psychology that she usually likes to harp on about.

    Previously she has pretended that she has a degree in clinical psychology from Oxford Uni. This is typical sociopathic grandiosity.

    Make no mistake, this is a deliberately cruel, aggressive, disordered, sadistic woman.

    The method is the internet. The intention to hurt is exactly the same as if she picked up a knife and slashed her victims’ face.

    There is a real, not virtual person at the other end of the internet connection, it is Felicity Lowde and she wishes nothing but real harm. She knows exactly what she is doing.
    Fortunately, so does everyone else these days.

  92. 93 not unity either July 17, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    P.S: She’s already accused North of having a personality disorder – so I expect to see all that aired again, along with wild attacks at anyone she suspects is writing these comments.

    For someone with a psychology module as part of her poly degree, she has no idea of what ‘projection’ means – not how she manifests it.

    She accuses her victims of precisely what she hates about herself. She is a serial liar, scammer, and fraudster, who has been repeatedly exposed in court. Hence, she accuses her most recent target of all these things.

    Whatever she writes, is an indication of what she believes about herself. You thus get a very good idea of what a torment her wasted life is to her.

    She demonstrates the following characteristics:

    Superficial charm and “good” intelligence
    Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational behavior
    Absence of “nervousness” or psychoneurotic manifestations
    unreliability
    untruthfulness and insincerity
    lack of remorse or shame
    inadequately motivatedantisocial behavior
    poor judgment and failure to learn by experience
    pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love
    general poverty in major affective reactions
    specific loss of insight
    unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations
    fantastic and uninviting behavior with/sometimes without drink
    suicide rarely carried out
    sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated
    failure to follow any life plan

    the good thing is, these days, anyone she attempts to harass is quickly warned about her by previous victims. The internet which was her playground now contains detail about her pathology and criminal history. She’s a busted flush.

    She knows it, hence this summer’s campaign of hate. 2 years ago it was the Ripperologists. Last summer she was in jail.

    She hates the fact that she has been sussed out and thoroughly exposed by people who are cleverer than she is.

    It’s unlikely that she will move to physical violence in the short term, but it is a possibility she will become more violent as her normal methods of hurting people are becoming much less effective.

    Did you burn ants with a magnifying glass and pull spider’s legs off as a child, Felicity?

    When did you stop wetting the bed?

    ‘Better than peeing for fun’ she once said. Makes perfect sense.

  93. 94 another one who isn't unity July 18, 2008 at 1:13 am

    “I now expect a series of posts accusing North, Unity and other bloggers of having a mental illness.”

    Yes, especially accusations of narcissism, sociopathy, and most likely a little Histrionic Personality Disorder will be thrown in as well. In short, everything she herself has been accused of having…or secretly knows to be true of herself.

    That comment about your love for murdered and raped women hit a nerve, didn’t it Felicity? Do you recognise yourself in those posts above? Or do you think it’s all just a coincidence that you so perfectly match up on the checklists for sociopathy?

    Superficial charm and “good” intelligence…check.
    Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational behavior…check.
    Absence of “nervousness” or psychoneurotic manifestations..check.
    unreliability…. What do you suppose your family would say to this one?
    Untruthfulness and insincerity….a few judges have been in agreement about you on this, haven’t they?
    lack of remorse or shame…You prove every day by your behaviour that you are incapable of remorse, shame, or guilt.
    inadequately motivated antisocial behavior…see above.
    poor judgment and failure to learn by experience….4 convictions, multiple ASBO breaches, a trail of destroyed relationships with family, friends, partners. Yeah, I think we can check this one off for you.
    pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love….Let’s see. No friends. No lovers. Never married. Rejected by your own family. Check, check, check.
    general poverty in major affective reactions….You did a nice job of demonstrating your lack of feeling when you posted distressing things about your own son.
    specific loss of insight….Examples too numerous to list.
    unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations…What interpersonal relations? Admit it, Felicity: harassing strangers is the only emotional contact you’ve had for a long time. The truth is, If you didn’t harass people no one on earth would know, or care, that you exist. No one would think about you. No one would notice you.
    But you know that, don’t you. Isn’t that why you do it?
    fantastic and uninviting behavior with/sometimes without drink…Your hateblogs, exhibits 1 through eleventy-one.
    sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated….I’ll quote you: “Like peeing for fun.”
    failure to follow any life plan….Unless being homeless, jobless, and a many-times convicted serial liar and harasser counts as a life plan, I think we can check this box for you too.

    This is what you are, and the world knows it.

  94. 95 lwtc247 July 18, 2008 at 2:23 am

    @ Science Guy – July 17, 2008 at 9:04 am

    If the site was written by fjl then, I’ve no inertia about saying so. You point was?..

    But it’s still unproven, although admittetdly highly likely from the textual and idiosyncracy analysis posted (if true!).

    But I wonder why the great storm against me becasue I am not a member of the lynch mob.

    You dont like fjl fine but you can’t expect to force everyone away from either being a friend(or someone of a neutral outlook towards her) of hers person to turn against her either.

    Anyway. No further comments from me about fjl on this thread.

  95. 96 lwtc247 July 18, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Once again the praiseworthy post from “values” earns a reply.

    Values said: “I, for one, would enjoy a small phrase or two from you, merely saying that you have no common cause with fjl (which you assuredly don’t), that you reject wild personal attacks as a way of proceeding (which you have certainly said), and that the hate blog in question is clearly a hate blog.”

    – I totally understand your view and have some empathy for you say, but at the same time, I just can’t bear to bring myself to do such things for the simple reason is that it feels totally wrong to me to do such a thing.

    Perhaps it’s because of this particular issue or some polarization from some of the quite offensive things said to me by what can correctly (in certain contexts) be called ‘Northies’, or whatever, but I just can’t and wont do it.

    Feelings similiar to that which I got having watched The Stepford Wives or “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” at the end when Donald Sutherland pointed and made that dreadful screech/howl noise come uninvited into my mind.

    Finally to those of you who have exhibited extremism in regard to pursuing fjl…

    And when I see people goading and gloating (such as anon, July 17, 2008 at 6:54 pm, or anonymous
    July 17, 2008 at 7:27 pm) about any possible mother/son or family problems, and trying to widen any gap – working towards the goal of invoking a deep emotional trauma and self anguish (possibly to bring about feelings of suicide) against someone who – and let’s face it – was never violent, could have had any slander/attack ignored, may well not have convinced anyone, ever, toward any malice of RN or any of her other reported victims, while {breathes…} every second of our lives there are REAL frigging problems out there such as the slaughter of over one million Iraqis. ONE FOOKIN MILLION!!! – Don’t you get it??? – Afghani families successively bombed at wedding, nuclear waste accumulating and spreading globally, state and corporate terrorism via are and economic tyranny. So I say to all of you, where the hell is your sense of perspective? Get a bloody grip for heavens sake. DNA databases, CCTV watching you take a dump, Having to drink your own pumped breast milk to get on a damn plane? Geez! That a freaking SS/Gestapo has thieved Palestine and is intent on Holocausting ALL Palestinians from Palestinians land?

    It makes me so damn angry that a single woman should have so much hostility directed against her (like I said for all her faults) while all this shit goes on.

    The person/people who dredge up family issues are the kind of scum I always have and always will detested, and then they spittle on about other make the equally appalling accusations about RN and her mother. You Scum.

  96. 97 another person who's not Unity July 18, 2008 at 9:14 am

    LWTC,

    You say that it makes you angry that people are (in your opinion) ignoring what’s happening in Iraq in favour of spending time discrediting Felicity and showing her sociopathic tendencies for what they are. I can see your point to a degree, although I think you’re forgetting that there’s a lot more time left in the day for people to be campaigning for civil liberties after they’ve spent a few minutes here and elsewhere countering her barking mad theories and libellous, ASBO-breaching attacks.

    But if as you say “it makes me so damn angry that a single woman should have so much hostility directed against her…. while all this shit goes on” then surely you can also see that it is completely outrageous that the Never In That Carriage blog has been set up solely to attack Rachel North, whether it’s Felicity behind it or someone else? I’m glad you agree that it is beyond the pale and needs to be condemned.

    The syntax, irrational statments, constant revisions and additions, poor spelling, obsessive and constant sock-puppeting, and pseudo-scientific “research” of that hate-blog demonstrate to anyone who’s had even the briefest of exposure to her stalking that it is Felicity behind it, especially as she’s now given up writing her own blog in favour of this ranting.

    I only hope that the people she constantly attacks and libels take this to the police and that she is picked up for these endless breaches of her ASBO. Then she could be put away for (as I recall) up to 5 years. It’s doubtful that she’d get that long (this time – it will doubtless happen again) but it will be time when she will be unable to unleash her jealousy and vitriol on innocent people who have done nothing to her to deserve this.

  97. 98 anonandfjlfan July 18, 2008 at 9:31 am

    Idiosynchrasies….. right.

    You are all a bunch of bloody nutters as stated. That site does not come out with any of the stuff the nutters here accuse it of.

    Rachel North is a liar who is relishing some sort of a scam, we don’t know what it is yet. I am following the blog.

    These are her violent web mates, Unity and one lifer for murder and an artist nutcase- what sort of BS do you expect? They won’t like it will they. They’ve had to stop being the fanstastical North’s abuse poodles.

    So desperate to prove that the Felicity woman is nuts after she trounced Unity and his utter maniacs. She doesnt even use the web now!

    And the comments there aint sock puppets. Unity, and most of the posts here are you and your sock puppets, go boil your psychopathic head.

  98. 99 values July 18, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Lwtc: thanks for the reply.

    As I said, your blog, do as you wish. But I do feel there is a certain meeting of minds going on.

    All I wanted to say was that it is possible to be anti fjl without necessarily being pro North.

    To be pro fjl BECAUSE you are anti North is not only illogical, it will bring anyone a whole heap of very negative attention, which can be avoided. I would much rather people discussed real issues, as you say, and didn’t get sucked into playing her games, i.e. discussing her at length and giving her the kind of attention she craves and doesn’t remotely merit on content.

    Waaay above fjl I am uneasy about animal cruelty (very common), I am incensed about female genital mutilation, and I am scandalised at the way big corporations and agribusiness conglomerates treat third world peasants. All of this is way above fjl in importance. You, me and everyone else in the internet should be relieved and happy in equal measure that she is discredited and isolated.

  99. 100 anon July 18, 2008 at 9:49 am

    The psychopath nutter Unity runs a blog called ‘Ministry of Truth’ ( Ministry of Lies) where his violent abuse is shown. He is an ex con for violence to women with a tendency to pathologise his victims and a mad raving nutter whose violence is shown on his own web site. He will do anything for Rachel North when she offers him a a carrot.

    http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/04/18/iain-dale-science-abuse/

    Time to out this lunatic and “hang him out to dry”. Check him out he is a total nutter. Chasing women such as Felicity on four legs with his mouth foaming.

    I agree most of the sock puppet comments on this thread are him.

  100. 101 anon July 18, 2008 at 9:51 am

    ‘Values’ is ‘Unity’. Anyone who meets his mind is a psychopath and a total nutter.

    Unity was also done for rape.

    Time to out him.

  101. 102 anon July 18, 2008 at 9:55 am

    * also done for rape*

    =

    RE Unity, Values and the other sockpuppets here. ( All him.) He was done for rape and actual bodily harm. To more than one woman. He has done serious time and tries to justify his existence by trying to “catch” others who like Felicity Lowde have usually done nothing but meet the wrong person ( the North and Lowde saga in which Lowde is the one who seems to be innocent).

    He tires to impress people with psychology babble but it is horse shit.

    Most people know about him now he is full of shite.

  102. 103 anon July 18, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Actually it looks as if one of those commenters is Rachel herself who walks Unity and other web maniacs along like a poodle. Moaning and blubbering about a ‘catalogue of smears.’

    Thankyou for letting North expose herself yet again.

  103. 104 values July 18, 2008 at 9:58 am

    No. Wrong. As ever.

    I’m the one whose family you threatened, Felicity.

    it was only a matter of time before you tried to bring Unity and JHL into this.

    If anyone wanted proof it’s you then you’ve just done a pretty good job of providing the evidence.

  104. 105 another person who's not Unity, JHL or RN July 18, 2008 at 10:19 am

    This is exactly what I said – Felicity reveals herself in everything she writes such as these sock-puppet posts with her odd phrasing, bizarre analogies, random and over the top accusations.. everything. To those of us familiar with her behaviour it’s so obvious that it’s incredible that she tries to hide her identity.

    I don’t know what she’s doing these days since she lost her appeal against her last conviction but it seems to be that she spends her time frantically sock-puppeting and writing the most unpleasant hate-blogs.

    Felicity – it’s time to get out in the fresh air and get some help to sort your life out and end this self-destructive behaviour. When it comes down to it, the only person whose life you’re screwing up is your own. Deep down you must know that.

  105. 106 anon July 18, 2008 at 10:50 am

    ‘Evidence’. Oh piss off. You are going to be outed and hung out to dry. The whole web knows that you try to pin every confrontation you have on Felicity and you are a total joke all over the Internet. ( All of you. Sockpuppets Incorporated.)

    Unity was brought up at the beginning of this thread. Not by me. By someone else who recognised his crap.

  106. 107 not unity either July 18, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Look, Felicity is at it again. It was predicted on this thread. That she would turn up and accuse people she has no proof are even writing here of being personality-disordered criminals.

    This is exactly what she does, she attacks people and threatens people and accuses them of rape, murder, personality disorders and everything else.

    Here she is, doing it again, several times. It’s so predictable.

    It’s straightforward lies and projection of course – Lowde is a sociopath and a criminal – when this is finally pointed out she accuses everyone else of being mentally ill criminals. She goes on the attack,goads and goads and goads – eventually gets a response, usually because she involves the police – and then she goes ballistic and fires off a hate campaign.

    The comment about her being obsessed by raped and murdered women and only liking dead ones hit home. Because it is 100% true.

    Her response is to fly into a rage and make mad allegations without any evidence designed to try to cause as much damage as possible at anyone and everyone she can think of. These days it doesn’t work because everyone knows what she does and so all her hate-campaigning is pointless, even her latest effort, foul though it is. It is so inaccurate and so mad and so obviously the work of her that it is meaningless.

    I can back up everything I say about her. Her behaviour towards her son, for example is only known about because she posted up a private email from him and a long series of vaguely threatening musings. On her own blog.http://fjlathome2.blogspot.com/2008/04/jake-and-his-mum.html

    lwtc writes….
    And when I see people goading and gloating … about any possible mother/son or family problems, and trying to widen any gap – working towards the goal of invoking a deep emotional trauma and self anguish (possibly to bring about feelings of suicide) against someone who – and let’s face it – was never violent, could have had any slander/attack ignored, may well not have convinced anyone, ever, toward any malice of RN or any of her other reported victims,

    Can’t you see what she does and is still doing? She is the one who tried to ‘invoke deep emotional trauma…self anguish…try to bring about feelings of suicide’ repeatedly, to a whole long line of people culminating in RN It’s all she does. It feeds a need she has to cause distress and to be cruel.

    None of the people whose families she threatened or whose lives she tried to get involved in were ever violent, had any criminal convictions, and all tried to ignore the libel and abuse – at which point her response was to go to the police and make false crime complaints, forcing them to get involved.

    Enough of the ‘reported victims’ – all this was found to be true in court. Four times over.

    Finally, when her methods and behaviour are outed, years later, it is only because she will not stop and she will not learn so people who have been targeted by her – the subject of threats, lies, defamation, police/employer false complaints – finally say what has been going on – your response is to feel sorry for her! You’re in a minority of one there now.

    She is currently publishing anonymous comments wishing RN would kill herself.

    Why are you feeling sorry for her lwtc? I mean, why? She is in the situation she is in only because she has spent 8 years tormenting and harassing dozens of people because she feeds off attention and causing people distress. RN being only one, and merely the most recent target. This behaviour has been going on since 1995, in fact.

    You walked into the tail end of it and passed comment because you didn’t know the background and you have a ‘beef with Northy’

    https://lwtc247.wordpress.com/?s=rachel because she is anti-conspiracy theory and like 99.9% of the population including the families and survivors of 7.7 thinks 4 Muslim men attacked on 7.7.

    Of course Unity was not ‘done for rape’ or anything else. Felicity has no idea who Unity even is, what his name is,or anything about him. She just hates him because he has a proper degree in psychology ( unlike her) and because he wrote a thoughtful piece on NPD which hit home because it was true.

    http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2007/06/02/narcissus-has-turned-to-a-flower-a-flower/

    There are a great many people who care about subjects like the environment, politics, the war on terror, and Lowde’s response is to go after them and try to waste hours of their time by entangling them in her frantic attention -seeking hate campaigns. Not one of the people she targeted ever asked for it, or wants anything to do with her.

    She is succeeding in one thing – wasting the time of people like you, and a lot of other people who would prefer to be directing their energies towards more important things than a miserable, sociopathic loser.

    The comments are coming thick and fast here because you have kindly provided a place where comment and response is not censored. She as you know will not allow right of reply on her blogs.

  107. 108 not unity either July 18, 2008 at 11:04 am

    The latest anonymous comments, deliberately published on the hate blog repeat that RN was not raped not wounded, that the attack was ‘consensual’ and that the teenager was ‘seemingly vulnerable’

    You have to ask; why did she ‘play dead’ to escape this teenager who could have been drunk? What would he conclude? Then she runs screaming out to the street and breaks out in a screaming fit that shocks police so she says, she says the police were in total shock.

    There must have been good reason for him to defend the case and plead that it was consensual. If there was forensic evidence he would never have been able to enter a not guilty plea.

    Rachel has never had a criminal wound on her.

    18 July 2008 03:12
    Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ‘Why? The illegal immigrant who left me for dead after raping me is supposed to be deported on release. Shouldn’t have been here in the first place, shouldn’t be let out free when he’s served his sentence. The way things stand, is likely to come after me on release and finish the job of attempted murder.’

    If this seemingly vulnerable teenager was innocent after all what chance would he have with Rachel’s blog massacres going on every day?

    18 July 2008 03:21
    Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Why she does keep drawing attention to him obsessively?

    Telling her story over and over again>

    If it was justice done and dusted he was banged up like that he’d be the least likely topic of conversation.

    18 July 2008 03:23
    Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I saw that. On her blog last year. She said she went in and he suggested that it was consensual and that she stood there holding hands with the famous ‘J’ and a whole army of police officers. Something like that. It had no credibility she told it like a soap.

    Must have been her word against his.

  108. 109 values July 18, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Heh.

    Unity hasn’t been accused of mental illness, as predicted by someone above, he’s been accused of rape. !

    And Felicity, the first person to bring up Unity in a relevant way in text was – you, as

    anon
    July 17, 2008 at 6:58 pm.

    You won’t stop and you will burn your cause down to the ground.

    PS: it’s quite funny that you find it suspicious that RN hasn’t blogged recently. Well, what about you? No posts since July 3? Many people might think that rather more suspicious, what with the all-consuming frenetic energy that SOMEBODY has been expending on that silly parody of a hate blog.

    And in your own peculiar way, when RN doesn’t blog you suspect her of devious other activities, or of lapsing into shamed silence, and yet when she does blog you call her a media whore boo hoo publicity seeker. She can’t win, can she? Only bonkers people would take themselves seriously over ludicrous accusations like that.

    Well, I put it to you, that your inactivity since July 3 is WAY more suspicious than anything RN has ever done (or not done). She, after all, has a life outside pouring out hate on the internet.

  109. 110 not unity either July 18, 2008 at 11:08 am

    This is because Felicity only likes dead raped women, not living ones who speak out about it.

    In Felicity’s world, anyone who writes or speaks about rape is a liar/fraud. She likes to ‘hear the voices of the lost’ and speak for them. She does not like anyone who was raped or a victim of violence to speak for themselves.

    QED.

  110. 111 values July 18, 2008 at 11:09 am

    x ed with 2 comments above.

    I had no idea she’d gone back to the rape stuff again.

    That is really really disgusting.

    Lowest of the low, Lowde.

  111. 112 anon July 18, 2008 at 11:19 am

    QED

    Hi, Unity!

    I’ve been looking at this thread.

    Time is up for the wise guy charletan.

  112. 113 Science Guy July 18, 2008 at 11:22 am

    lwtc – thankyou for your considered reply. I think values post of 9.43 basically summed up what I was trying to say, but just to clarify….

    I was not attempting to condemn you for not being part of a “lynch mob.” The problems with fjl, which for me have been ongoing for the best part of five years now, are not your problems. I understand that and respect that.

    However, it is also clear that if this website was set up by fjl, which you now admit you think is extremely likely, then it has no merit as an actual investigation and was set up merely out of spite and vindictiveness. That is where the importance of the author lies, in understanding the motive for the site which naturally colours everything contained within it.

    Therefore, what I am saying is, surely it is possible to condemn the site itself, without condemning the person who wrote it, who I personally believe to be severely mentally ill and thus more to be pitied than hated.

    And surely it is possible also to state that Rachel North, regardless of the problems you have with her in respect of your opinions on the events of 7/7, does not deserve to be the object of such a vitriolic attack as this one, even if only in terms that she is a real, living, breathing human being and nobody deserves to be subject to such an attack.

    And indeed, I wasn’t even asking you to condemn the site, merely to state “it has no merit” and “it is not relevant” rather than, as is your current position, simply “I didn’t give permission for my words to be used.”

  113. 114 anon July 18, 2008 at 11:24 am

    And I’m guessing you DO know who I am, which is why you are falling over your ass to find someone else to blame like Felicity.

    I have nothing to do with that neverinthatcarriage blog. Neither almost certainly does anyone you know. You know who I am don’t you?

    Which is why you are not denying your previous.

    Charletan and rapist, psycho psychology clown, time for your Ministry of Lies to close the curtains.

  114. 115 not unity either July 18, 2008 at 11:28 am

    She re- introduced her position on rape on 28 June entry, writing re. RN

    ‘Her husband was not there when she was raped (if she ever really was)’

    Felicity’s position on living women who have been raped and speak out about it can be found here
    http://fjlathome2.blogspot.com/2008/01/oh-gawd-here-they-go.html

    More furore over the blogs as another woman, who runs a graphic sex-blog, socalled, who, (as far as I’m concerned), behaves ( without being unkind) like a “slut”* of the hideously embarrassing (and, for what it’s worth, sexually untalented) max, announces in a blog post that she was raped at age such and such. Her outburst is being hailed as some sort of new feminism by attention seekers of similar ilk.

    Groan.

    Women who’ve genuinely been assaulted sexually and are still suffering as a result are very reluctant to blather it everywhere, let alone on the Internet to a potentially vast, unknown, indifferent, and possibly 30% perverted, audience. The blab your sexual experiences everywhere caper is for attention seekers; notably dissatisfied individuals, sexually unaware, possibly untalented, those in unfulfilled situations….people who’ll do anything for publicity, in other words. Who’ll probably sell themselves or anyone else.

    ..wannabes, often enough. The unattractive whose social lives are less than stunning.. these are the ones who need attention on the web at any cost.

    Her response to a woman writing about being raped? To call her a slut and a prostitute and unattractive and ‘sexually untalented’ and not genuine ie. a liar.

    Misogynistic, you see. She is obsessed with rape and violence but she only likes dead raped women. Not ones who are alive and can speak for themselves.

    QED again.

  115. 116 values July 18, 2008 at 11:32 am


    anon
    July 18, 2008 at 11:24 am
    And I’m guessing you DO know who I am, which is why you are falling over your ass to find someone else to blame like Felicity.

    I have nothing to do with that neverinthatcarriage blog. Neither almost certainly does anyone you know. You know who I am don’t you?

    Which is why you are not denying your previous.

    Charletan and rapist, psycho psychology clown, time for your Ministry of Lies to close the curtains.

    wtf?

    Too many twists in there, felicity. No idea who that is aimed at or what it is trying to say. That’s the trouble with madness, it’s invisible from the inside.

  116. 117 anon July 18, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Well Unity you will know, you are the man who is about to be outed. And don’t accuse me of being a woman again or it will be much worse for you than you already think.

  117. 118 deadgiveaway July 18, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Felicity, your pathetic attempts to threaten blogger ‘Unity’, might be more credible if

    1. you had a clue who he was and therefore could say that you knew whether or not he was a rapist. As you don’t know his identity, you don’t know anything about him – and it is revealed as an empty accusation from the outset, making it rather meaningless as a threat.

    ‘I don’t know who you are but I’m going to say you’re a sex criminal! And a psycho! With a record of attacking women! Nyurgh!’

    2. you spelled ‘charlatan’ differently to the author of neverinthatcarriage. You spelled it ‘charletan’ when you left a comment on Unity’s blog last year as well. It gives it away, dear.

    3. you didn’t demonstrate all your usual phrases, spelling, syntax errors which are identical to the ones on your old blog, your new blog, all your previous blogspot hateblogs – and never inthatcarriage

    4. you didn’t follow your usual pattern which is to accuse men who don’t buy your lies of being ‘rapists and sex offenders and psychos with a record of attacking women’. How many times have you been accusing men you don’t know of being rapists, sex offenders and psychos with records of attacking women? I think this started in 1996, didn’t it? 12 years on and it’s a bit threadbare now.

    5. Meanwhile women you are jealous of are all, without fail, liars and sluts and publicity seekers. (Unless they’ve been raped/murdered and are dead, in which case, they’re ‘the lost’ whose ‘voices speak to you’, and you like them a lot then, don’t you? Especially the pictures of their corpses and their injuries)

  118. 119 values July 18, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Now the threats start…

  119. 120 anon July 18, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Charletan, charletane, charletab, charletan, Charlmagne, who gives a . You have revealed yourself Unity and you are going down all over the web.

    Now you retreat into your convict hole. I warned you not to make me call you in on it.

  120. 121 anon July 18, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    Like any woman would leave a comment on your Charletit of a blog Unity.

    Lets keep him happy and say Charlatit.

  121. 122 values July 18, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    and you’ll do what, exactly? Report me to the police for calling you out on vile rape denials? Or you’ll say nasty things about me on the web?

    The only hateblogs you’ve ever set up are when you happen to know people’s real names: DH, AS, NML, RN.

    You don’t know who Unity is. Putting up hate against ‘unity’ will make you look pretty silly.

    I am not Unity, nor John Hurst. Nor any of your favourite Aunt Sallies. The only link between any of those people is YOU. That is why you are busted, Fel. You have never known my real name although I used my real initials when commenting on your old blog. Not enough really, is it, for your usual games.

    You are so ludicrous. Felicity. Threats at empty air.

  122. 123 ex-alumna July 18, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    What happened Fliss? Most of us who were at school with you managed to sort themselves out – even the ones who were really screwed up. One of the reasons why so many people are gawping at your behaviour is that we can see there’s been a car crash but missed the actual smash.

  123. 124 deadgiveaway July 18, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Oh, I forgot ‘violent’. She always accuses men of being violent as well.

    Men are perverts, violent, pornographers, pigs, psychos, sex offenders with long histories of attacking women, rapists (and sometimes murderers), and have personality disorders evil and ugly. So far people in this category include everyone who has ever written a book about Jack the Ripper, several officers in the Met, and Thames Valley police, 3 firms of lawyers who represented her, 2 men who dated her and their families, 5 men who she owes money to, and a member of her family.

    Women are liars, sluts, bitches, whores, cows, frauds, scammers, devious, malicious, deserve to be raped/lie about being raped, and publicity seekers, betrayers, evil and ugly. Especially if they have a book out, or are getting married or going on holiday or are having a baby.

    So far people in this category include her mother, 3 bloggers with book deals,several other successful bloggers another member of her family, 2 lawyers who represented her, 4 women she owes money to.

    The exception, as always is dead murdered women/raped young women. They are special and lovely, the more gruesomely attacked they are the better, especially if there are lots of gory pictures.

    Key words

    loser devious spiteful malicious pig ugly dog bitch whore slut bitch pig clown donkey gibbon babboon psycho drooling charlEtan rapist criminal crazed attention seeker publicity seeker despErate frantic vendetta use of third person ‘on the blogs’ expose exposed sententious twaddle libel slander malice pervert perv commiting shockah demeaning idiocy idiot creep embarassing faddist faddism fuming fumes condescending making a show alot abit alittle blogosphere fanciful banal sweetie prolonged violence cutie flies in the face extraordinary determined deceitful frantic grief terrified probable obviously extraordinary claims dEvinely appointed genuine hypocrisy hypocrites outed questioning lost the plot bonkity-bonkers loony lala blethersome blethering muses beautiful obvious

    plus bizarre use of youtube clips.

  124. 125 anon July 18, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Look, poor Felicity Lowde’s school mates have turned up again! Unity’s other sock puppets have retreated into his hole.

    You are a chrlAtit. Give it up Unity you are exposed.

    And you are about to get exposed a shed load more.

  125. 126 deadgiveaway July 18, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    You can’t ‘expose’ him dear, you don’t know who he is.
    Remember?

    You can carry on exposing yourself though we’ve seen it all before.

    Yawn.

  126. 127 anon July 18, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    “Not Unity or John Hirst or any other of the usual Aunt Sallies.”

    Hirst is another sock puppet author here is he. One of the murderers that Rachel North goes round with is he.

    That will be all the worse for YOU Unity. But its bad enough already I warn you.

    Retreat into your convict hole and don’t come back out.

    You attack innocent women to hide your crimes.

  127. 128 deadgiveaway July 18, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    No, no, no, you silly Felicity.

    To ‘expose’ people amnd accuse them of crimes – rape, say, since you are obsessed with rape – you need a victim and a perpetrator. You need evidence. As a bare minimum, you need to know the name of the person you are accusing, or at least be able to describe and identify them.

    You have no idea who Unity is and you don’t know anything about him.

    You can accuse him of being a baby-murdering 25 metre-high UFO-piloting blood-drinking alien lizard if you like, it doesn’t matter. So what?

    He wrote about you over a year ago. He did some research and used his psychology studies – he has a degree in psychology and knows his stuff as you can see from reading his blog – to make some points which obviously hit home. He chose to do so, I imagine, knowing exactly what the outcome would be – that you would go bats and threaten all sorts and be unable to deliver on your threats. As you would know if you were able to understand anything he writes, he’s very clever and very thick-skinned.

    Do you think he gives a fart about your hysterics on a comment thread on an obscure conspiracy blog 13 months on?

  128. 129 values July 18, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    No, no. Heh.

    I’m really not Unity.

    Lwtc has my genuine email and with a minimal effort he can find out who I am.

    I have not posted about psychology here. Unity is more a political blogger than a psych blogger. You are so up the wrong tree, Felicity.

    And do tell us, what are you going to do to ‘out’ Unity? You’ve already called him a rapist. Are you going to punch him on his little button nose?

    Like many dictators and vari-paths you have swallowed your own twisted publicity, and have equated it with your own bloated ego. This is a long thread, but actually the 7/7 community is very small, and you are only in one tiny corner of it. One post. Your grandiosity makes you reach for the whole web all the time but actually you are a MINUTE part of it.

    It may look different to you, but that is because you have gradually collected a bunch of voluble, intelligent and highly motivated people that you have threatened, libelled, accused, harassed – the Felicity Circus, who follow you around and make sure that you cannot get away with your nastiness without cost. In your sick perception this amounts to the whole web. No. your reach is feeble and short. Your reputation is worm level low, and you are incapable of repairing it. You simply continue oblivious as if it’s all good. You can’t distinguish positive approbation from mere attention in all its negative forms. Derision, ridicule, parody – it’s all good to you.

    Anyway, threaten away. Tell you what – go and tell the cops about ‘Unity’. I’m sure they’ll be pleased to see you…

  129. 130 Anon July 18, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Quite right values. She thinks the web is the world.

    Of course it isn’t. A blog is just words on a computer screen that someone has to actually bother to switch on, and read, or find out about.

    Most people don’t read blogs, they don’t care about blogging. About 20 actual real people read FJL’s blogs. They do so because she has become car crash entertainment. Most ( I’d guess almost all) of them have been pestered by her in the past to some degree and are watching her public hysterics, her unravelling and post-conviction implosion with interest and a certain degree of satisfaction.

    She brought it all on herself and she seems determined to do the equivalent of tearing off her clothes and rolling in mud whilst scratching at herself in public.

    So afew people watch her performance and go ‘ugh’ and discuss her amongst themselves. She could choose to go offline and be private, but no, she must perform for the audience that is laughing and pointing at her behind her back.

    It’s quite sad, she has no idea of how she comes across and the figure she cuts. The only people still looking at people she used to harass, who have now, because of her, become friends. The people she tried to bully and isolate got together and swapped info about her and thus her harassment campaign has backfired in her face with such catastrophic effects on her life.

    Meanwhile, nobody else is remotely interested. Atall.

  130. 131 a point of evidence July 18, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Interesting.

    Someone should point out to the authors of this tribal heat that Felicity Lowde, as she has many times proven, speaks fluent French. Her Brookes University degree, she states. With psychology.

    I suggest that the spelling “charletane” is one she wouldn’t use.

    charlatane
    nf (char-la-ta-n’)

    * Celle qui s’efforce, par ses paroles, d’attraper les gens. Les marchandes du Palais sont des charlatanes. [Richelet, Dict.] Ce que j’ai toujours aimé en vous, madame, parmi plusieurs autres genres de mérite, c’est que vous n’êtes point charlatane. [Voltaire, Correspondance] J’aime mieux la charlatane Mlle Durancy [une actrice] qui enchante le public. [Voltaire, Correspondance]

    Adj. La race charlatane des devins.

    +

    Ces charlatanes nouvellement arrivées à Paris, Anti-menagiana, p. 230.

  131. 132 values July 18, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    No. That just proves that she’s just found out she was wrong.

  132. 133 Abuse Poodle July 18, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Heh – je suis la caniche d’abus…

  133. 134 Anon July 18, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Comment left by Felicity October 14th, 2007 at 5:02 am:

    Felicity is trouncing you all with her style. She writes extremely well. Makes you look an ass, Unity. She doesn’t give you too much time either I see. Perhaps that will be your first blow, outdone by a genuine psychologist- you charletan.

    Now a commenter’ ( hi Fliss!) pops in to let us know that…

    Felicity Lowde, as she has many times proven, speaks fluent French. Her Brookes University degree, she states. With psychology.

    (‘Brookes University’ is Oxford Brookes, formerly Oxford polytechnic.) French, you say? ‘With’ psychology?

    Let us refresh our memories.

    13154. fjl said:

    June 3rd, 2007 at 8:49 pm Ian, if you are a psychologist you will know that it is an imecile thing to comment on Court cases you haven’t viewed, and Court files you know nothing about. Shut up, you blethering half wit, I have had enough of this ridiculous libel campaign, and I’m not in the mood for crank quacks. I have a psychology degree with Honours, and I have never been diagnosed with a mental illness in my life….[snip!]

    So it was a full psychology degree with honours? Not a French and Psychology degree? Let’s go back to March.

    Saturday 15 March 2008 I never pay that awful ‘Unity’ character, one of my worst, most malicious and obviously jealous libellers, any attention. I am qualified ( Psychology BSc Hons), he is not, and there’s no need for making any other point. He’s currently riding on the back of the z-list (main) female false accuser’s campaign against me in order to promote his so called ‘professional medical intuition’ about me, which involves a series of statements and ‘analyses’ that most readers have put down to a poor joke, along with his blog.
    http://fjlathome2.blogspot.com/2008/03/snails-in-sunshine.html

    Soit’s a BSC with honours and FJL says she is ‘qualified’ as a psychologist? On account of her honours degree. From Oxford Poly. With a French module in it.

    Strangely, a few days earlier that week,Fel’s qualifications were in clinical,/i> psychology

    Wednesday 12th march 2008 Help is on the way re Loonie-Loo, whose awful activities we can no longer bear, and the people dealing with her have been immensely kind and sympathetic to all of us putting up with it. ( I observe I am being lambasted for using this term, perhaps by those who’re jealous about my qualifications- I really don’t know. News to you, then: there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a relief- giggle in clinical psychology- do you really think Doctors in charge of such cases, spend all day going round with meticulously lo-ooo-ng faces? If you didn’t giggle or mutter occasionally, you’d never survive. And in fact, this ladys’ (click) behaviour is actually very cold and calculating at times, with all the strength of a psychosis. And it is a psychosis, multiple p. She can take it.

    Even more strangely, FJL was earlier this year claiming to have a medical degree

    Monday 7 January 2008 I have a modern medicine degree, ( psychology, BSc honours) not because it amuses me, but because I believe in it.

    Yet she can’t tell the difference between a viral infection and a bacterial infection and which one has antibiotics prescribed.

    Still all this is a change from 2007 when she claimed to have TWO degrees from Oxford University, one in French and one in psychology.

    As opposed to a joint-honours poly degree in French and child psychology, which she just scraped a lower second in. Or was it a third?

  134. 135 another person who's not Unity, JHL or RN July 18, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    It always amazes me that FJL is so keen to brag about her exaggerated psychology qualifications and to accuse others of persecuting her due to their own mental illness. It’s as though she feels that no-one can question her own sanity because of this fragment of knowledge that she has. Yet despite this aforementioned scrap of knowledge, she has absolutely no insight into why she behaves in such an obsessive, viscious, neurotic manner.

  135. 136 ex-alumna July 18, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Anon at 1.09pm wrote
    “About 20 actual real people read FJL’s blogs…Most ( I’d guess almost all) of them have been pestered by her in the past to some degree…”

    A few of us following FJL’s case, and watching open-mouthed, were in the same year as her at school. There’s a strong “god, could that have happened to me?” feeling, but if I had no other connection with her I guess I probably would have got bored by now.

  136. 137 Anon July 18, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    ‘It always amazes me that FJL is so keen to brag about her exaggerated psychology qualifications and to accuse others of persecuting her due to their own mental illness. It’s as though she feels that no-one can question her own sanity because of this fragment of knowledge that she has.’

    Yes, it’s a well-known fact that having done a psychology module at a poly – or having a degree in psychology from Oxford – or being a clinical psychologist – or psychiatrist means you can never, ever be mentally ill.

    Just as having a degree in medicine, or working as a doctor or nurse means you can never, ever get flu, or chicken pox, or a cold.

    Hang on, something not quite right there…

    :-D

  137. 138 not unity July 18, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Well, chaps, I think you’ve done a great job at exposing this CHARLATAN. It’s all there, in quotes. She is a liar and attempting to puff up her pathetic achievement. There’s no subjectivity going on – she is a fabricator, a truth-denier, and an all round laughing stock.

    Felicity – please do the following. Stand in the corner for an hour (and face the wall). Have a long hard think about all the silly fibs you’ve been saying to all those grown-ups. Then, kindly fuck off (anywhere, no-one cares).

  138. 139 neverinthatcarriage July 18, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    A very interesting and fscinating insight into Rachel North’s Internet maniacs.

    For the 1% of readers who have read this far, we are not the woman we are accused of being and we do not see why we should be. The Felicity woman appears to the be the favorite but of Rachel North’s abusive crowd.

    Without any evidence they lay into her person and make incredible ( and quite apparently outlandish) accusations.

    We conclude that they are very embarrassed by our blog.

    We are not interested in the row here.

  139. 140 Anonymous July 18, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Not interested eh Felicity? That would be why you’re reading this so obsessively would it? And why you haven’t posted on your own blog for a fortnight because you’re so busy ranting and obsessing on your Never in that Carriage hate blog?

    Yeah right. Not interested. of course you’re not.

  140. 141 neverinthatcarriage July 18, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    The obsession with blaming rolls on.

    To this blog owner: it might be kinder to the woman who is laid into for no reason on account of out blog, to delete the comments relating to “her.” Your suggestion that ” allowing fjl comments” was a mistake appears to have been a good one.

    We are not happy that anyone should find themselves being abused in the way that the Felicity woman obviously has been today.

    We believe that it very likely that these people you call the North Squad, or as people call them, “Rachel’s Internet maniacs,” or what you may, will lay into all Rachel’s victims in their attempts to find us out.

    We are and will remain an anonymous blog.

  141. 142 values July 18, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    “We are and will remain an anonymous blog.”

    Because your case is so strong?

    No. not really. Pure cowardice.

    And now you are back to the ‘that rape never happened’ schtick.

    You are so degraded and filthy inside aren’t you? Not a scrap of decency, or talent, to be found. Just a horrible, parasitic, alien creature who feeds off other people’s social relations. Not human, not estimable in any way. Just a failure, in all respects. Degrees, of any sort, don’t make human beings. Feelings, attitudes, achievements. relationships, insights, empathy, warm and constructive passions do. Of all these you have none. You are emotionally deaf, dumb and blind. Not impressive.

    Any time I think you can’t hit a new low you constantly prove me wrong.

  142. 143 values July 18, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    PS: it was only a matter of time before the requests to delete this thread came up. Here we are.

    A bit too hot for you now, is it Felicity?

  143. 144 amused reader July 18, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Ha – this is HILARIOUS – not to mention richly deserved. She’s gone quiet…

  144. 145 Anon July 18, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Yes – A request (and a fairly dictatorial one at that) is typical Felicity. Especally when the criticism gets too close to the bone.

    And why, Never in that Carriage, would you be so upset about people pointing out the characteristic behaviour of the convicted stalker Felicity Jane Lowde when you’ve been attacking RN – convicted of nothing and by most sane people suspected of nothing – without mercy for the last two weeks if you weren’t Felicity trying to cover her tracks.

    I’d be fascinated to know whether the IP address for Felicity’s posts here tallies with the that of the sock puppets at the ‘Charlatane’ [sic] blog and that of the abusive comments left by Felicity elsewhere including (in all probability) on RN’s own blog? Wouldn’t that be interesting and what are the odds that they all match up?

  145. 146 Anon July 18, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Psudo-sloane goes out drinking; gets drunk, gets horny and goes for a one-night stand. Gets laid, sobers up after orgasm and cries rape. Has some difficulty explaining no evidence of forced entry but being an accomplished blagger convinces Police and Jury whilst committing perjury.

    Any similarity between this account and any other high profile case is entirely co-incidental.

    That’s Felicity talking about someone being raped, beaten and tied up with wire.

  146. 147 Anon July 18, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    kinda proves the point about her only liking dead rape victims, hey?

  147. 148 Anonymous July 18, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    “To this blog owner: it might be kinder to the woman who is laid into for no reason on account of out blog, to delete the comments relating to “her.” Your suggestion that ” allowing fjl comments” was a mistake appears to have been a good one.”

    Yes Felicity, I can see why you’d want that. The truth can be painful. It must be very frustrating for you not to be able to delete inconvenient comments that expose you as you do on your ‘neverinthatcarriage’ pile of crap. You know what? I don’t think that’s going happen, tough.

    “We are not happy that anyone should find themselves being abused in the way that the Felicity woman obviously has been today.”

    But it’s absolutely fine for you to abuse Rachel North as far as you’re concerned, is that right? This is exactly the sort of hypocrisy that exposes you as Felicity Jane Lowde.

    “We believe that it very likely that these people you call the North Squad, or as people call them, “Rachel’s Internet maniacs,” or what you may, will lay into all Rachel’s victims in their attempts to find us out.”

    You were found out right from the start. There just aren’t that many people with your mix of psychotic hatred, low intellect, a spectacular ignorance of the topics you discuss and an inability to string a basic sentence together.

    “We are and will remain an anonymous blog.”

    Yeah, right!

  148. 149 projectionist specialist July 19, 2008 at 8:39 am

    …as to why Felicity has started a blog calling Rachel a liar? It’s easy.
    Because in the court cases – the trial and the appeal – Felicity’s version of what went on was not believed by the court.

    Thus Felicity was judged to be a liar.

    See what’s going on now?

    It’s all about Felicity projecting her own shame about being found to be a lying, harassing so-and-so onto the person whose evidence was found to be truthful by two judges including a Crown Court Judge at the appeal.

    To do this she must attack the character of one Rachel North. But as usual, it’s really all about Felicity’s own feelings about herself.

    All she is doing is advertising to the world how much she hates herself. If she just shut up and got on with her life, nobody would know this. The fact that she is still ranting on after 3 years shows she is obsessed and can’t move on and live a normal life. The accusations are so nasty and the reasoning so distorted and unintentionally funny that all it tells anyone reading it that the author is a nutter. Felicity thinks it ‘exposes’ Rachel, but in fact it only exposes Felicity’s own madness and hatred.

    End result? Felicity shoots herself in the foot again.

  149. 150 anon July 19, 2008 at 10:00 am

    If the blog is shit- and you don’t know who wrote it- what is your beef? Afraid to be shown up or something are you?

    Anyone reading this can see that you are a lot of desperate maniacs making demented accusations as you are described.

    No one is reading your bull and you still rage on.

    Get a life man.

  150. 151 values July 19, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Felicity on line on the hate blog at 10:53

    First supportive comment here at 11:00.

  151. 152 another person who's not Unity, JHL or RN July 19, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Crikey, the latest sock-puppet comments on FJL’s hate blog don’t even make sense. That she has a degree amazes me given her inability to collate facts and present a coherent argument.

  152. 153 lwtc247 July 19, 2008 at 11:15 am

    @ another person who’s not Unity – July 18, 2008 at 9:14 am

    “I think you’re forgetting that there’s a lot more time left in the day for people to be campaigning for civil liberties after they’ve spent a few minutes here” – I know what you’re saying, but some are spending huge amounts of time here and on very lengthy posts and have done so elsewhere, all of which gives me the impression that hunting certain individuals occupies a significant proportion of their day/s. People seem so preocupied with her that anything to do with her what she says (or what people supposed to be her says) where she was, what she did, her financial and family affairs etc etc. has become engraned in their memory. clearly then, they are exhibiting highly obsessive behaviour and many here display rather repugnat behavior doing exactly the same as what they accuse fjl of.

    But really, I can’t for the life of me see how the seriousness of what she is supposed to have done (or has done!) really worth all the obsession with her. It seems what she says is entirely verbal, not physically threatening and very few people seem to agree with her position on the personal side of RN or any other ‘victim’ of hers.

    If it was ignored, that would probably be best for everyone

    @ everinthatcarriage “Your suggestion that “allowing fjl comments” was a mistake appears to have been a good one.” – It was a mistake but I’m not going to delete antything. Sorry.

    Even though this post (and possibly blog) is next to meaningless and possibly ineffectual, I refuse to delete comments as censoring is an action I despise. It doesn’t say much for the people who do keep commenting despite repeated requests on MY blog from ME not to go on about fjl. Very disrespectful visitors here indeed, but it’s plain that the guests who keep coming here and crapping on my carpet don’t really care. The manners of …

    Thanks for that people and for taking a rather mean spirited advantage of an uncensored {other than removal of robot spam} part ofthe internet.

    Thanks a lot.

  153. 154 anon July 19, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Neverinthatcarriage don’t seem to be bothered. It’s pretty clear that they consider Rachel a tarted up blog pain in the arse and so she’s hardly a focus of an obsession. She would like to be. Everyone knows that.

  154. 155 How shocking July 20, 2008 at 8:24 am

    This thread should be deleted.

    In an instant.

  155. 156 anon July 20, 2008 at 9:11 am

    On the we site are:

    John Hirst the lifer who has done thirty years for murder

    Fido the dog, a similar ponce

    Daniel Hart, a cunning pouf who stalks women, still claiming that Felicity threatened his family which is pure bollocks

    Unity, a rapist and ex con

    Some Jack the Ripper nutter ( Philip Hutchinson?)

    Natalie Mary Lue and exposed stalker and revenge seeker

    No point taking any notice of these maniacs

  156. 157 anon July 20, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Natalie Lue an exposed stalker and revenge seeker

  157. 158 anon July 20, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Rachel North is on this thread she kicked it off and went to get her Nazi nutters.

  158. 159 How shocking July 20, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Triple ASBO-bust there, Felicity. Well done.

  159. 160 How shocking July 20, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Sorry – 9.27’s addition makes it 4.

  160. 161 Anon July 20, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Hi Felicity – you’re back then.

    And here was me thinking that you’d accepted LWTC’s request and stopped commenting, everyone else had. But that’s the thing – you pop up again with your oh-so-obvious sock-puppet comments and it’s hard to resist adding a comment to counter them.

    You know you’re breaching your ASBO (you remember the one insitgated at your last trial and still in place after you lost your appeal in the Crown Court back in May) and surely you know that this behaviour will have consequences for you but you have to keep doing it because you’re so full of hate and jealousy and envy and you can’t understand why no-one takes any notice of your ‘theories’ and arguments.

    So why not take your hate blogs down (all of them) and get some help to deal with your problems? Why not get a job and try to do some work that has value instead of simply attacking anyone else? Why not accept that you have a problem – you’ve been convicted of harrassment four times now – and get some help?

    And in the meantime, perhaps you could look at what you write and at least try to make it less obvvious that you are the author of all these sock-puppet comments here and elsewhere. Let’s face it, demands that comment threads be delted “in an instant” are so typical of you that I’ve forgotten how many times I’ve seen it. Usually accompanied by assertions that your lawyers are downloading them to use as evidence in your defence. I suppose it would be hard to say that now given that your solicitors have gone running for the hills since your appeal failed. In the usual way.

    Sorry LWTC, but I’m sure you see why some of us feel the need to rebuke her hate when we get the chance.

  161. 162 anon July 20, 2008 at 9:45 am

    Not fjl , just someone who’s been seeing your maniacal behaviour against the Felicity which has no justification. You show yourselves up to the spotlight of shame so I wont bother.

    Everyone knows who you are. You make everyone cringe.

    A correction to the owners of this blog, Felicity never did anything against Rachel and it was Rachel who raised a lynch mob full of abusive violent people because she sensed herself being exposed.

    Now lots of people have seen through Rachel North.

  162. 163 Anon July 20, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Anon/FJL at 9.45, you’re the only person who tries to argue that she hasn’t been convicted of harrassment and stalking and served time in prison for it – it’s the easiest thing in the world to check, just try Googling “felicity lowde cyberstalker”.

    So don’t try to tell us that anyone’s seen through RN – the only criminal being confronted with her unacceptable behaviour is you.

  163. 164 Unity July 20, 2008 at 10:32 am

    LTWC:

    First, I can confirm that ‘Values’ isn’t Unity – I am.

    Second, I can also state categorically that I was completely unaware of this blog until it cropped up in my own blogstats yesterday, since when I’ve lurked a couple of time to see where things were going.

    This is, therefore, my first and, I suspect, only post here.

    I note that ‘Anon’ has slipped in FJL’s usually pattern of accusing those who don’t buy into her fantasies of violence against women, rape, etc, and that this now extends to me. For the record, she has no idea who I am and is in no position to make any such allegations, which are, of course, entirely false.

    That said, as she’s decided to drag me into this, its time that I dealt with it once and for all.

    You have my e-mail address from this comment and I have already archived this thread. What I would appreciate from you is a list of the IP addresses used by FJL in posting comments on this thread(it shouldn’t be difficult to figure out which one’s are FJL) particularly those making false allegations against myself, together with the related timestamps on each of the comments.

    This will allow me to locate FJL, after which I will take it from there.

    I should stress that I have no intention of taking this down the libel route – if you visit my blog and search for ‘libel’ you’ll find that I am fundamentally opposed to our current libel laws as they stand and have no intention of altering my views.

    Rather, I will be seeking to have Lowde prosecuted under S127 of the Communications Act 2003 and S1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998, neither of which need to concern either you or your blog once IP addresses are supplied, as the remaining evidence required for the prosecution will come from the relevant ISPs.

    As I understand that FJL may have been issued a CRASBO following her conviction for harassing Rachel – and I can find out – this should be sufficient to activate its terms, although it would be much the better for her were she to be committed for treatment for her obvious psychiatric problems rather than sent to prison.

  164. 165 How shocking July 20, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Anon @ 9.40:
    ‘Let’s face it, demands that comment threads be delted “in an instant” are so typical of you that I’ve forgotten how many times I’ve seen it.’

    Er, sorry, no, not a sockpuppet. It was a joke, borrowing one of felicity’s favourite quotes, as she has started to demand same of LWTC.

    I thought it was fairly obvious, really, but there you go.

  165. 166 appalled July 20, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    What happened to Noam Almaz, Fel? You said he was one of your best friends! Surely there was some mistake – or did his secretary start screening your calls? I thought he was fully supportive when you presented yourself as a human rights victim.

    Tell me, why did Tuckers, now Hickman and Rose, refuse to have anything more to do with you? Why have you been SUED by the solicitors you used?

    You refuse to learn. You’re so emotionally diseased, you prefer to attack and bully random strangers rather than confront yourself and make some important changes in your life – specifically your approach to, and expectations of, others.

    Your mistake.

  166. 167 anon July 20, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    it has taken these Rachel North maniacs three whole days to realise that:

    No one is reading this comments thread this far, they have all stopped off at Never In That Carriage

    No one finds anything they say on this board remotely credible

    They and Rachel North ( commenting on this blog thread) have exposed themselves as complicit in their abuse of fjl / Felicity

    ( DUR )

    Everyone enjoys the neverinthatcarriage blog.

    Well done LWTC

  167. 168 Sov Dtekel July 20, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Unity, as much as it pains me to say this, you are an internet alias. Your name and occupation are not common knowledge nor published on your blog.

    You cannot have Lowde prosecuted under S127 of the Communications Act 2003 and S1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998 unless you can prove she knows your real name and address.

    It is the same as one chatroom alias saying “I’ll kill you” to another chatroom alias when the one or both have no idea who or where the other is.

    Even publishing these details on your blog today would do no good as you have to be able to prove prior knowledge. If you can do this, you certainly have the basis for a complaint and I wish you the best of luck with it. The woman certainly needs help and you would be doing her a favour.

  168. 169 Anonymous July 20, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Hello Felicity,

    What evidence can you supply to support your assertion that a thread with 166 comments so far (13 of them from today)that “No one is reading this comments thread this far”? Oh, that’s right, you don’t do evidence do you?

    Haven’t you worked out the difference yet between people laughing with you and people laughing at you?

  169. 170 Twerrie July 20, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    What is the weather in York like FJL?

  170. 171 anon July 20, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Guess again, honeys. There is no Lowde here.

    The fact is that

    John Hirst

    Unity

    Daniel Hart

    Rachel North

    Natalie Lue

    Phiilip Hutchinson

    Dan Norder

    Have been making heir presence known over the Internet for the past two years with their incredible abuse.

    They have as much of a case against Felicity or anyone else as a flamingo that’s fallen over.

    This is great, keep up the mad jack hammering session…

    so paniced about the Neverinthatcarriage blog that you forgot not to expose yourselves.

    Then again, you always do forget.

    Poor things- no idea what a laughing stock they are.

  171. 172 anon July 20, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Unity is clever is he.

    Clever enough to get himself despised.

    Clever enough to link with people on this thread and get himself known for it.

    Clever enough to have no life at all and sit printing his bull all day because he has nothing else to do.

    There are many defenitions of clever but the wack Internet obsessions at Unity’s blog are not one of them

    By the way Unity the job of exposing you has been done. Except a blog revealing your ID next week.

    The push off with your shit.

  172. 173 Cinema paradiso July 20, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Again some questions for FJl:

    YOU think YOU are clever do YOU.

    YOU are only clever enough to get himself despised.

    YOU are (only) clever enough to talk about people on YOUR asbo and get YOURSELF known for it.

    YOU are (only) clever enough to have no life at all and sit printing YOUR bull all day because YOU has nothing else to do.

    There are many defenitions of clever but the wack Internet obsessions at Unity’s blog are not one of them.
    Yes exactly, FJL.

    By the way FJL, the job of exposing you has been done.

    Now push off with your shit.

  173. 174 Drunk in charge of a moving comments box July 20, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    There are many defenitions (SP!) of clever but the wack Internet obsessions ((You WOT??) at Unity’s blog are not one of them

    By the way Unity the job of exposing you has been done. Except (WOT?) a blog revealing your ID next week.

    The (WOT?) push off with your shit.

  174. 176 corrections... July 21, 2008 at 1:20 am

    OK, she can’t look after a child. Or, make anything from this golden goblet of a poly degree (LOOK AT MY MORTAR BOARD THOUGH!), so should we be surprised that (BUT LOOK IT’S BLACK AND HAS ALL TWIRLEY TASSELS THAT FLY WITH THE BREEZE!) she might not use her (IT IS REALLY NICE AND I LOOK ALL GRINNY AND CLEVER) credentials to pursue her scholarly and historical (SEE, I AM ALL PROUD AND OXFORD UNIVERSITY, I BOUGHT TH-) studies – so that perhaps her (SWEATSHIRT AND EVERYTHIN-) work could be assess (STUFF COS I AM RILLY CLEVE-)

    Quiet Felicity. That was years ago now. I am sure your module was fun – did you get a gold star?

    Take your mortar board and throw it into the Thames. Your qualifications are nothing to write home about. Mind, try it, see what happens.

    Your child “project” went wrong – he hates you (it wasn’t wise to publish his private correspondence with you) – and frankly, so do many other people.

    Your crimes are evident across the Internet (Google cyberstalker – com or co.uk, your choice). For your prison sentences. It not slurs or bad words from you, it is ASBOs and RESTRAINING ORDERS. Judges,Verdict,Holloway,Patterns.

    You keep replying. You write vile things. You name the people you shouldn’t name….

    You’re famous. Really, you are. Known as the “hate-blogger”. Everyone knows it. (Well, not everyone, “we” are not as solipsistic as you.) Anyone that is likely to care, to have heard about your appalling behaviour with regard to anyone they might actually care for more, knows it now – and this really has been reported globally.

    Judges.Verdicts.Prison.Patterns.

    Do you see?

  175. 177 amerialia July 21, 2008 at 1:29 am

    She doesn’t see because she is not capable of seeing how her actions have consequences and how her disorder is pushing her furhter and further along the path to self destruction.
    She didn’t see it when she was arrested, lost her house for nonpayment of the mortgage or ended up in jail so why do you think telling her in a comments box will make a difference?

    She’s too sick.

    This will end one of 3 ways and none of them are happy endings for her.

    Her future is bleak and getting worse.

  176. 178 corrections... July 21, 2008 at 3:29 am

    Amerialia – you’re right. She’s fucked to kingdom come. Loveless, penniless, and pitiless. People who wish the worst on her just want her to go away.

  177. 179 adam tudor July 21, 2008 at 3:53 am

    You still got a “passing thought” that it is FJL?

    You’ve been decent and – generous – in hosting this plainly popular thread, which frequently tests your beliefs, right?

    The reason it is so popular, is because, as you see, there is a direct Q&A with this convicted criminal. You’re providing a service to others by keeping this an open thread.

    FJL is always going to deny her very existence. I hope you can see how much she has proven her presence, her weird, twisted, diseased, hateful, warped, vicious and pathological obsession.

    She will also talk of various other people, as she lists – LWTC – can you see that you have FJL in your company, or not?

    Is Felicity Jane Lowde someone whom you refuse to accept is responsible for the blog you have linked to, or not?

  178. 180 amerialia July 21, 2008 at 11:59 am

    There is no point asking lwtc to take responsibility for his actions.

    I would leave it if I were you, it’s a total waste of time trying to communicate with him in the comments about why it is not a good idea to publish links to hateblogs set up by lying criminals who purport to be July 7th Truth activists. He’s already said what he thinks and enough damage has been done as it is.

  179. 181 Another perspective July 21, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    An open “comment” to Lwtc

    Dear Lwtc,

    Thank you for linking to the new hate site. I would not have found it otherwise.

    Thank you for not censoring or otherwish blocking an open Q&A session about the stalker behind the hate blog.

    Thank you for your insightful comments which have given some of us on the inside of the issue with FJL an increased sence of perspective on how this looks to those merely looking on and not involved. Sometimes those standing back have a bigger view than those standing beside an object.

    Thank you.

  180. 182 anotheropenanon July 21, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Felicity Lowde would not contribute to this stupid comments row. I think anon is right; everyone on her is John Hirst, Natalie Lue, Rachel North, Unity, Philip Hutchinson and Dan Norder and Daniel Hart all making wild fools of themselves in their hate campaign against Lowde and all in a mad panic about the new blog.

    The whole web is now completely used to them and their sock puppets and they are pathetic. You can always tell them by their desperation to get the last word in.

  181. 183 encore une exalumna July 21, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Old OHS girls out of the woodwork! I was also at school with FJL, whose claims are becoming wilder and wilder. “At school I won all the art prizes” – sadly, this is untrue as our school didn’t give art prizes. It is indeed like watching a car crash and wondering what the hell she was doing on that side of the road…

  182. 184 Abuse Poodle July 21, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    encore-

    what – not even a prize for drawing a twee mouse in olde english clothes?

    I’ve seen some of Felicity’s art and its very very good. I expect she had lots of time to practice when she was in prison, I have heard they have excellent art facilities there.

  183. 185 amerialia July 21, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Felicity Lowde would not contribute to this stupid comments row.

    How oould you know unless you are she?

    I think anon is right; everyone on her is John Hirst, Natalie Lue, Rachel North, Unity, Philip Hutchinson and Dan Norder and Daniel Hart
    FJL’s list of previous targets and critics is wheeled out – a list only FJL would know or post

    all making wild fools of themselves in their hate campaign against Lowde

    But only Unity has commented Felicity. None of them went to jail for a hate campaign either – that was you, that was.

    and all in a mad panic about the new blog.

    Really? Are they? I don’t see how you could know.
    The ones with blogs seem to be blogging as usual and nothing on any of the others so we can only assume they are also getting on with their lives.

    The whole web is now completely used to them and their sock puppets and they are pathetic.

    The whole web, you say? Really? That’s what the entire internet is talking about is it? Not at all grandiose are we?

    You can always tell them by their desperation to get the last word in.

    LOL. Go on Felicity. I’ll let you have the last word then.

  184. 186 Just Little Old Me July 21, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Ms. Lowde, if it is you, do you want to end up in one of these places?

    http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2008/01/22/stalker-is-locked-up-in-mental-hospital-61634-20378085/

    Indefinitely? Being forcibly medicated? Is that what you want to do with the rest of your life>

  185. 187 marsupial July 21, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    But – hang on – this Anna Smirnoff is a former child psychologist – that means she CAN’T be mad!

    And Felicity once studied psychology – so it simply isn’t possible for her to have any mental illness or personality disorder.

    Someone, take her away.

  186. 188 anon July 22, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    It is getting very apparent that almost all these sock puppets from the middle down are coming from John Hirst, the notorious blog cyberstalker. He did jail for axe murder, thirty years.

    he now runs a blog called ‘The Prisoners Voice.’

    http://prisonersvoice.blogspot.com/

    Article here

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/18/ukcrime.weekend7

    John, a word of advice, stop going for Felicity. She is a psychologist and you are making a fool of yourself.

  187. 189 Not Unity, not RN, not JHL - you'll never guess who July 22, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Oh Felicity – surely you’re not still banging on about being a psychologist! One module in child psych as part of a polytechnic degree does not make you a psychologist any more than a Brownie first aid badge makes you a surgeon!

    Whatever you may think of JHL, he’s not behind all the comments here – in fact I have no idea if he’s left any comments here. There are many people leaving comments here, taking advantage of LWTC’s helpful policy of not censoring comments.

    So – worked out how long a tube train carriage is yet?

  188. 190 anon, not felicity either July 22, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    ” Many people commenting here.”

    Take a good, long look at the postings, and see what everyone’s worked out.

  189. 191 bored July 22, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Well I have ‘worked out’ several things including.

    1. neverinthatcarriage is transparently serial harasser and blog obsessive Felicity Jane Lowde. The more she writes the clearer it is.

    2. Felicity Lowde is 110% obsessed with Rachel North

    3. A year after going to jail for obsessively harassing RN she’s STILL going on about RN.

    4. Felicity has little idea of how much of a loser that makes her. Get a life Felicity! Can’t you think of anything else to do with yourself! Three years now and all you’ve managed to do is go to jail and lose 2 court cases because of your obsession. Has it brought you anything good? No. Did you learn from the 2 harassment cases before RN which you also lost? No. Have you ever thought that what you do isn’t normal and you might need to get help for it?

    5. Felicity is now so pathetically desperate for attention that she is trying to get people she previously described as ‘loons’ to join her in her anti-RN campaign.

    6.But even the ‘loons’ don’t want to know. Spamming other blogs isn’t working either. Failure.

    7. Anyone who ever thought Felicity was ‘just misunderstood’ can now read her latest blog and see for themselves that she is completely obsessed, mad with hate and spends hours every day…
    (i) Blogging long incoherent badly-spelled rants about RN
    (ii)Updating and editing her rants about RN
    (iii)Looking at RN’s blog for hours and hours
    (iv) Making up sock puppet comments agreeing with herself about RN
    (v) Accusing everyone who doesn’t agree with her of being RN or someone who reads RN’s blog
    (vi) And saying they are probably murderers and rapists and criminals

    8. Felicity’s hatred of RN has now totally consumed her. She is now writing things that are so mad that nobody in their right mind would have any difficulty in recognising that the blog is the work of a very sick person. RN ‘hires murderers’ to ‘bump off critics’? RN ‘responsible for killing’ her mum? RN ‘a sex offender’ who attacked her rapist?

    The latest post is a demand that RN must put up photos of rape injuries on the internet. (Do you expect rape victims to put up full colour pictures on the internet in response to an anonymous blog Felicity? Bitten nipples? Close ups of torn vaginas? Is that what you are after? Is that what you like to look at?)

    9. Felicity has a really twisted obsession with raped and murdered women, especially looking at photos of their injuries. This is so twisted and sick that if anyone was in any doubt that she is very mentally diseased indeed they can doubt no longer. The expanding/shrinking carriages and platforms, the ever-changing dates, the total inability to read text or check facts, the ignoring of evidence that contradicts her – 1973 rolling stock still in use etc – are all clues but it is the obsession with rape and violence that is the real giveaway.

    She thinks this blog will do anything to damage RN? No, it could only make people sympathetic to RN.

    10. So yes, I’ve worked it out. Felicity is very very ill these days. She has lost everything and is totally unable to cope with the real world. She thinks blogs provide a full picture of people’s lives and that writing a mad hate blog will make a difference. It can’t. She thinks everyone in the world reads blogs and cares deeply about what is said on them. She has no idea that she is just one lonely, mad person on an internet used by millions, with much more interesting things to read. She had some notoriety for a short while but now she is just boring and pathetic. She is like a baglady shouting and swearing at bins and accusing the pigeons of following her, scribbling furiously in a notebook and hoping people read it. She just does it online instead of in Wood Green High Street. What she says is so foul that people don’t want to know.

    11. Should she be in prison? It makes no difference. Whether she is writing on that blog or not, it is clear that she is in a prison of her own obsession and she will never escape. The blog she writes is a window into her diseased, miserable life. Nobody could want to be her, an ageing, lonely, confused, obsessed, homeless, bankrupt, poverty-stricken mentally ill failure with no achievements and no relationships in her life any more, no family, no friends, reduced to trolling on the net in a frantic attempt to find someone to respond to her.

    12. She has nothing to look forward to apart from life getting even worse. Getting older, getting more ill, cold nights, no money, nothing to do, nobody to talk to.

    Let her have her little hate blog project. Nobody cares, and at least it keeps her off the streets. I don’t think she is capable of looking after herself properly and at least if she is using a keyboard her family know she’s still alive, if they still care.

    I pity her. What a shit life. What a waste.

  190. 192 Twerrie July 24, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    To no #191 – What an excellent comment and very sad summation of a life

  191. 193 encore une exalumna July 24, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    If it was just the laughably pathetic abuse blog that (comment 191) would be fair enough, but I have a real problem with the malicious accusations to police of child-abuse and rape (in the case of at least two of her previous male targets), and levelling charges of sexual abuse at a female rape victim is more than just malicious, it’s twisted. These are the kind of slurs that can destroy someone’s professional life. I don’t want to give her any more importance than she thinks she already has – but she does indeed seem to have a real obsession with sexual crimes and imputing them to anyone who displeases her. Perhaps this is what she should be receiving (hopefully institutionalised) help for, and as soon as possible, rather than a prison sentence which will only inflate her sense of her own martyrdom?

  192. 194 Just Little Old Me July 25, 2008 at 1:23 am

    It’s salvageable. Just. Maybe the best thing for her would be an indefinite period in a secure hospital. It might make her want to resolve whatever it is within her that makes her do these things. At the very least it would compel her to step. away. from. the. computer. Detention in a secure hospital would also ensure her own safety. After all, one of these days she may target someone who doesn’t seek redress via the law. I wonder if that’s ever occurred to her.

  193. 195 re: the issue of culpability July 29, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    As an aside: those who believe that merely linking to a site implies endorsement should remember that during the war that led to the dissolution of the former Yugoslavia the BBC provided a link to the Serbian Ministry of Information. Does that mean the BBC support those who commit war crimes?

  194. 196 observer July 30, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    And now you’re back to your previous, largely ignored obscurity. Fucking idiot.

  195. 197 encore une exalumna July 30, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Hardly obscurity, Fliss – we’re still watching! Recovered from that histrionic fit you threw in French class when John Lennon died yet?

  196. 198 lwtc247 July 31, 2008 at 12:35 am

    observer.

    I think I know how we differ…

    Only having the passing attention of a number of people (almost all of them highly intelligent, wise and people that make me proud to be human) really isn’t that painful for me.

  197. 199 observer July 31, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Lwtc, the syntax of your reply is so convoluted that it is hard to understand what you meant. If you don’t care so much about stats or attention, why do you make a whole post about it?

    Encore – What was this about a histrionic fit, tell more?

  198. 200 lwtc247 August 1, 2008 at 2:20 am

    why do you make a whole post about it? – To show what I’ve always said about the persuants of fjl… that they are obsessed with her and cannot let go.

    + a bit of annoyance and the repeated flouting of the house guidelines.

  199. 201 Sov Dtekel August 5, 2008 at 11:13 am

    + a bit of annoyance and the repeated flouting of the house guidelines

    So why write posts, the content of which, you know from past experience will bring commentators who know not nor care not what your “house rules” are?

    BTW, I am nothing to do with RN. I would not know the woman if she bought me a pint and a steak but I do know live and in person the stalker woman and I have a feeling most people writing here are the same.

  200. 203 Sov Dtekel August 6, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    To show what I’ve always said about the persuants of fjl… that they are obsessed with her and cannot let go.

    I think that if you did not view these “persuants” of the stalker as friends/colleagues/aquaintances of RN, whose views on certain topics you disagree with (to go by the remarks of other posters here) you would not bother writing about her at all.

  201. 204 lwtc247 August 7, 2008 at 2:49 am

    That’s not correct, and yours is the first comment I’ve come across that has made me think of such a thing, bit I can understand why some might make the assumption.

    In criticising ppl for their hounding of fjl, I’ve never factored in ‘connection to RN’ – other than say things like “the North Squad” – but that was simply because it was R that blew the bugle, circled the wagons and sent out the cavalry covering both regulars, conscripts and “me too’s”

    My issues with RN are very different and independent from those concerning fjl. Those issues relate only to what Rachel is doing post 7-7 and how she’s trying to ensure any possible enquiry will NOT look at all the issues Re: 7-7

    RN’s role in anything not related to 7-7 or hounding of fjl is of no interest to me.

  202. 205 Mob Rule August 11, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Rachel North is obsessed with herself.FLJ is obessed with Rachel.You Rachel sycophants are obsessed with FLJ.I wish all three of you would just STFU.LWTC made a blog entry over a month ago to distance himself from a fake 7/7 blog probably set up by some BBC scumbag to stir up controversy for their latest 7/7 whitewash.You lot are still whining and gleefully ripping into FLJ like the sick bunch of fascist middleclass shitheads you have been brainwashed into being.Why don’t you take your sad little psycho taunting circus and fuck off somewhere else you bunch of monsters.Seriously people..look at yourselves.How old are you?you’re like a bunch of self righteous bullies in a primary school.FLJ is sick in the head..whats your excuse?Do do something more constructive..like supporting our war criminal troops, or watching our selfish sports personalities ignoring a brutal communist regime for the chance to hang a bit of cheap shiny tat round their necks.Haven’t you got corporate cock to suck?Don’t you have a pension to throw away on a hedge fund scam?Hows that negative equity going?Do you have to sleep in a tent yet?Oh well- I’m sure you can find a way to blame FLJ for it when it happens.fucking sharks.

  203. 206 lwtc247 August 11, 2008 at 5:23 am

    Post of the week goes to…

    :D

  204. 207 The what does that say about us? August 12, 2008 at 11:31 am

    As to her ‘qualifications’: she left school pregnant at 17 and had a son. Later on she went to Oxford poly where she did a degree module in modern languages and psychology, and passed, (just). She had picked up French and Italian when she ran away to France to avoid trouble in the UK.

    She has no other qualifications and has never had a job due to her severe mental illness.

    A friend of mine recently received a degree from a former polytechnic. She too had a ‘severe’ mental illness’. We were very proud of her. If Ms. Lowde does indeed have a ‘severe mental illness’ and it has taken this long for it to be noticed (and even then she is not offered help, only vilification and a prison sentence) then what does that say about us, about the kind of society we inhabit? Sleep well tonight.

  205. 208 Oh, and yet another thing... August 12, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Many in the British Blogosphere link to a blogger who call himself Jailhouse John who is currently pursuing a ‘vicious, vitriolic and vindictive’ libel campaign against Gerry and Kate McCann. Does this mean that they endorse this? It must do if the assertion that merely linking to a site implies endorsement of its content.

  206. 209 Oh, and yet another thing... August 12, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Correction:

    Many in the British Blogosphere link to a blogger who call himself Jailhouse John who is currently pursuing a ‘vicious, vitriolic and vindictive’ libel campaign against Gerry and Kate McCann. Does this mean that they endorse this? It must do if the assertion that merely linking to a site implies endorsement of its content has any validity.

  207. 210 sceptic August 12, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Actually I rather thought the point was that she isn’t mentally ill, just nasty. If she was in fact ill the judges who have convicted her on several separate occasions would have recommended some kind of asssessment – and it would certainly have formed the cornerstone of her defence. She’s certainly being used as some kind of martyr figure by a number of people who either have a personal dislike of her main target, or a kneejerk reaction to the careless usage of words like “mental”. Or, in quite a few cases, who just seem to want publicity and a row. And since she seems to have stopped posting anywhere, one can only hope she is either in custody or a hospital, whichever it is she is deemed as needing.

  208. 211 Oh, and yet another thing... August 12, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    The people who initially asserted that Ms. Lowde was mentally ill were her victims and their advocates. As this thread so clearly illustrates. Perhaps your argument should be aimed at them.

  209. 212 lwtc247 August 13, 2008 at 3:40 am

    @ Oh, and yet another thing (12:24)
    You’re absolutely right.

    The accusaions made just becuase I linked to a site were idiotic.

    And as for that JHL, who I believe is a murderer, if he is conducting such a campaign against the McCanns then once again it’s rather telling of the majority of those who bitched their arse off here. It would be of no surprize that his blog (if he has one) is peachy clean and hasn’t been bombarded like this thread has. It would also be of no surprise that those same people wouldn’t constantly drag his name through the mud, try to encourage his suicide or watch him like a Hawk in case should he should one day decide to murder someone else.

    “She’s certainly being used as some kind of martyr figure by a number of people” – that’s very incorrect.

    “who just seem to want publicity and a row.” – I take it you are referring to the people that flooded this thread and kept doing what they blog owner asked them not to and made numerous allegations… As “Oh, and yet another thing”(2:55) does well to point out.

  210. 213 Marcus August 13, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Post of the week goes to…

    Louise Mills, self-appointed guardian of every refrence to mental illness on the web.

  211. 214 Marcus August 18, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Thanks for dedicating a post to me. You have filled my attention seeking quota for the week. Keep checking back here for more provokative remarks directed at you in order for me to get you to write a post about my made-up internet alias for use in comments boxes.

  212. 215 Paul Taylor February 1, 2011 at 6:06 am

    I do not wish to take sides in the FJL RN stand off. However I wish to make the following points.
    1) RN is an official establishment mouthpiece for 7/7
    2) she appeared on TV and had many sympathetic article about her
    3) it seems she received payment as a ‘victim’ despite being more or less uninjured
    4) she claims to have waited for several trains to pass before she got into the bombed train. In my opinion it is very peculiar to let trains pass rather than squeezing on. Go to the tube station and see how many people let a train pass by while reading a book
    5)She claims to have been reading a magazine article about her rape at the SAME time that the bomb exploded. EMAP throwaway titles
    6) her testimony about times and smoke etc frequently change and are inconsietent
    7) of hundreds of real or imagined victims of 7/7 she seems to be the only one the press are interested in
    8) getting FJL arrested for the absurd cyber stalking charge. sinister and unacceptable as RN took on the role of 7/7 spokesperson, if you work in the kitchen expect heat
    9) RN uses a pseudonym in order to protect her identity as a ‘rape victim’ but appears in person at various events and goes on TV. Hardly anonymous
    10) RN links to “Israeli software magnate’ Dan Hart who helped RN in the FJL affair
    11) why would an Israeli software magnate offer help to FJL anyway????
    12) DH and RN attnd court together to convict FJL on stalking charges as FJL has apparently been complaining online about DH company
    13) Nick Kollerstrum paid Daniel Obachike to design a website and then DO used NK website to attack him while denying NK access to his won website
    14) help designing websites is a common trick to frame people
    15) she seems to have powerful backers in media and the legal profssion
    16) Does she know a blogger called Peter North ( not the porn star)
    These issues are made in the interest of inquiry and are not designed as a slur on RN ,DO, DH or others

    Truth should not fear investigation

    In conclusion I wish to state that the website http://www.julyseventh.co.uk is a controlled opposition
    Bridget Dunne, her henchman the “Antagonist’ and US based ‘Just the Facts’ must be considered suspicious

    J7 is a full time , well funded and very professional job and absolutely not what can be expected from a well meaning amateur effort

    They also have hidden my research on the death due to natural causes/suicide/murder of Richmal Oakes-Whitehead

    my youtube is thisisyourwakeup , any genuine truth seekers are welcome and Rachel North is welcome to give her reply and deal with my suspicions

  213. 216 lwtc247 February 3, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Hi Paul.

    I’ve seen it suggested (in a number of places) that people who are well known / get on TV or make some money from a ‘celeb’ type status, are spooks. Sometimes, some of the people who suggest this really are peddling a pretty silly argument when really they should know better – a lot better! So your point 2 is rather meaningless to me (but may find favour in other places).

    Point 3 to me shows she certainly didn’t flatter herself, but I wouldn’t like to say who qualifies for any payment (which I find a bit strange in the first place) and who doesn’t. Not all injuries are visible, but yes, all fraudulent injuries are not visible either.

    Point 4 is good. Her story is very peculiar. I’d like to the see the CCTV of that day (wouldn’t we all!) and trace Ms “North”. I have my suspicions about her, and the lies + filthy things her torch-and-pitchfork-gang say is intimidating, characteristic of the force majeure establishments rely on.

    A change in testimony is always alarming and draws serious questions, but have you no experience of this happening to you?

    The media will always focus on one or two ‘leaders’ in the pack. As she’s supposedly got ‘journo’ experience and is eloquent, it’s not surprising they go for her. I’d imagine many of the victims wouldn’t want to be in the media much. But yes, if you want to steer something, you gonna want to do so from the ‘top spot’.

    The case against FJL was really ugly behaviour by North. I agree.

    Point 10 and 11 seem to conflict. What’s the role with this Hart dude? Did he help RN or FJL? The former I suspect – which raises the usual ‘There’s Israyhell’s again!’ eyebrows, but I know nothing more of that so don’t feel I can say anything much about it.

    Not sure what 13) has to do what the RN oppression of FJL or 14) but Nick could have got someone else to do it. DO does seem rather weird. I seem to remember asking him a few Q’s a while back when he started his website some time back and I don’t think he replied. Hoe does seem to be trying to stick one on Nick.

    15) Well she’s got charisma and uses it. I don’t think this particularly means anything outright, but I concede it could do.

    I don’t quite understand the significance of point 16.

    “Truth should not fear investigation” – absolutely.

    As for the end bit which now talks about J7. I find it a bit strange. Are you saying RN and J7 are somehow different attempts of the establishment to control what finally gets written about 7/7?

    It’s my conclusion (so far) that 7/7 was an inside job and has a number of fingers pointing to Israyhell. And it is idiotic to think the establishment will NOT be playing a big hand in trying to push the official fairy tale. And even if 7/7 was not an inside job or false-flag, then of course the govt will try and squeeze as much propaganda out of it as possible as justification for it’s neo-Imperialism in support of its bastard child Israyhell.

    But if J7 is controlled opposition, they seem to be doing quite a lot of harm to their mission. Note: I dislike J7s stance on matters pertaining to Israyhell but I’m not stupid enough to believe any effort that isn’t entirely mine, will never have a few thorns sticking out of it. So I’ll listen to your words of warning but I’m not going to commit on the issue.

    I also dislike the way NK gets attacked and the super-inflated slurs, slurrs that seem to come from the ADLs “How to (make others) lose friends and demonise people” Some of the things said against NK and the lack of accreditation given to him for his pioneering sterling solo effort to open the Pandora’s box get my contempt. I’ve only seen the hostile traffic go one way and that’s upon him. It seems similar to the way RN did with FJL.

    It seemed to ne an effort to stop Nick in his tracks was being made from others that you would think would welcome a second opinion. Monologues are prone to driving off in the direction of their own bias. Second opinions that are independent provide a worthy check and balance. Nick’s made some good observations on his site.

    Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out.

    “J7 is a full time , well funded and very professional job and absolutely not what can be expected from a well meaning amateur effort” – I have no evidence of this, i.e. finding and full-time. Do you?

    “They also have hidden my research on the death due to natural causes/suicide/murder of Richmal Oakes-Whitehead” – I’d be interested to check it out.

    thanks for your thoughts. I appreciate it.

  214. 217 Anonymous September 25, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Oh wish I’d been around when this site was lively. What a pile of shite.

    Paul Taylor writes: do not wish to take sides in the FJL RN stand off. However I wish to make the following points.
    1) RN is an official establishment mouthpiece for 7/7

    Like when she campaigned for a public enquiry?

    What a knob.

    • 218 Paul Taylor September 25, 2011 at 1:51 am

      anonymous ( Hi Rachel )

      She ‘campaigned’ if that’s what you call it for a public inquiry with a limited scope. She fully accepted the BIG LIE that 77 was perpetrated by Muslims something that Tony Blair said even before the Police had come to any ‘conclusions’ ” we know that they act in the name of Islam”

      The fake inquiry with limited terms of reference that Rachel North ‘campaigned for” would not investigate the evil fact that the 4 young Muslims were framed something that John Hill of 77 Ripple Effect spent 6 months in prison for making a DVD about.

      Public inquiries such as the Warren Commission the 911 Commission and the Hutton Report are usually highly partisan and with zero attempt to seek justice. The conclusions are formulated in advance and then ‘facts’ are cobbled together to fit them rather like Tony Blair’s dodgy dossier

      Rachel North organised aggressive campaigns against so called stalker Felicity Jane Lowde. and against peace activist and 77 researcher Nick Kolerstrum for some reason the mass media were on North’s side but then that’s hardly surprising because North is an establishment insider whose sole job was to act as a planted witness and act as the ‘spokesperson’ for all the 77 victims even those whose injuries were FAR more serious than her superficial cuts

      In conclusion I would ask ‘anonymous’ to come forward with an actual identity because sincere opinions should not need to be hidden behind a cloak

      In conclusion I know for a fact that 77 just like 911 were government sponsored false flag operations designed to incriminate Muslims and to get the public to back Blair and Bush

      my youtube thisisyourwakeup contains some videos I made on the 77 July frame up and also about the true victime sof 77 such as Richmal and John Hill

      I end on a personal note to Rachel North and her operatives

      Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”

  215. 219 lwtc247 September 25, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Anonymous September 25, 2011 at 12:46 am

    If you know a call/campaign for a public enquiry will fail, then campaigning for one can have very useful and powerful effects. It buys cred.

    RN IMHO has far too many question marks over her relating to who and what she is to accept her at face value.

    She wants any ‘enquiry’ to condemn the alleged 4 bombers and find Mi5 negligent (but innocent). In other words she wanted official reaffirmation of the stitch-up. To cement it in stone.

    and Anon, please keep your flowery language to yourself. Thanks.

    I a very much agree with what Paul Taylor September 25, 2011 at 1:51 am says. Daughter of a holy man doesn’t seem to have acquired any of his creed and/or morality.

  216. 220 ChineseWhisperer September 25, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    thisisyourwakeup, I salute your fearless hebrew-hunting attempts on J7’s forum. It seems they have failed in their attempts to suppress your brave and incisive research, for is still there for all to see and gaze in wonder at the pinpoint accuracy of your charges.

    I can only wish you all success in your search for free accommodation in Greece or Israel, which is surely one of the most pressing humanitarian crises in the world today. Godspeed, sir.

  217. 221 lwtc247 September 26, 2011 at 5:32 am

    My experience with people being accused of “Hebrew hunting” is that they have done nothing of the sort and the people making those allegations are self blinding idiots (often with an agenda), or simply, liars.

    The question I’m wondering is could ChineseWhisperers be new third species who has actually found a real Jew hater? Given I’ve never seen any Jew hating on the J7 sites, I have little option than to conclude: No!

  218. 222 lwtc247 September 26, 2011 at 6:24 am

    And I will add, most hostile commentary and smears are seen coming primarily from one side of the supposed truth movement, against another corner of the truth movement that dares mention Israyhell.

    Hasbara whores or generally well meaning people who deliberately stick pins on their eyes to avert their gaze. Sometimes it’s hard to decide.

  219. 223 ChineseWhisperer September 26, 2011 at 8:57 am

    http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=3768&view=findpost&p=15064534

    What a remarkable ability to detect race and country over the internet. Give this chap a knighthood and replace his foreskin at once.

  220. 224 lwtc247 September 26, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Hummm..

    The error returned was:
    You do not have permission to view this topic.

    I don’t have the keys.

    • 225 Paul Taylor May 23, 2013 at 12:54 pm

      They also have hidden my research on the death due to natural causes/suicide/murder of Richmal Oakes-Whitehead

      this is the point I made earlier

      the Zionist troll DOES have permission

      the question is WHY does j7 hide data that should be PUBLIC

      j7 is 100% controlled and I had the misfortune to talk to Tom Secker online who was INDIGNANT at any mention of Israeli involvement

      thanks for dealing with the troll Chinese whisperer one of the Zionist gangsters who harassed me for nearly 2 years

      even called me Pauly shows how lame they are

  221. 226 ChineseWhisperer September 27, 2011 at 11:48 am

    It doesn’t matter, you were probably a Jew anyway. I’m sure Paul will back me up on this.

  222. 227 lwtc247 September 27, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    So it’s category 1 and 2 then.

    Can’t say It came as a surprise.

  223. 228 ChineseWhisperer September 27, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    “category one and two”, is that rhyming slang? prisoner classification?

    You say you’ve never seen something on a site and you don’t make any effort to read it when the link is pasted right in front of your nose. Glad you’ve found another pal with the heebie-jeebie fetish though. Your blog will make a great home for his “research”.

  224. 229 lwtc247 September 27, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    “you don’t make any effort to read it” – err hello, I got the error message from the duff link you gave. It’s kinda hard to read something J7 people keep hidden yet use to flick little yellow stars at people. As someone with access, you could substantiate your so far baseless claims by copying and pasting it, or unlocking the page in question.

    Interesting to see how some are prepared to go the extra mile to hunt down those harbouring suspicions of Israyhell – that sewer state of theft, genocide and ethnic cleansing who didn’t do 7/7, while J7 saying they don’t know who did 7/7.

    Funny that.

  225. 230 ChineseWhisperer September 27, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    That would explain your wilful ignorance on all matters 7/7, you’re obviously not a member of the forum.

    Some are not prepared to go the extra mile to find out what the fuck they’re talking about. Not so funny, that.

    It’s not unlike you at all to shoehorn in your beloved israel in an attempt to change the subject. It’s like Jourette’s Syndrome.

  226. 231 ChineseWhisperer September 27, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    If you’re now going to claim that someone “didn’t do 7/7” then it must mean you “know” who did. So let’s have it then, unless you’ve got something to hide…

    • 232 lwtc247 September 27, 2011 at 2:04 pm

      “wilful ignorance on all matters 7/7” – you ‘win’, oh wizard behind the curtain.

      “Some are not prepared to go the extra mile to find out what the f*** they’re talking about. Not so funny, that.” – You come here and make cheap allegations, supply semi-inaccessible information, and I’m the one that has to go and check them out. Excuse me for pointing out you’re behaving just a tad berk-like.

      It’s J7 and a few high priests, who don’t know who did it, but fiercely attack suggestions that Israyhell did. Pro-Israyhelli elements are chief suspects in my book.

  227. 233 ChineseWhisperer September 27, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Suggestions and suspicions are ten-a-penny and don’t need to be attacked, in my book. They can be seen already for what they are.

    You go on sitting on your arse calling for more suspicion and more people suggesting the same as what you are. That ought to work.

  228. 234 lwtc247 September 27, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    “You… [go]… calling for more suspicion” – quite unlike you who certainly didn’t cast any suspicion against Paul Taylor.

    This thread isn’t for you to smear tactics. Stay on topic. If necessary I’ll make a new post especially for you: “Smear, hypocrisy and cerebral palsy – all for beloved Zion”

  229. 235 ChineseWhisperer September 27, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    What I said about Paul is verifiable and not a suspicion, only you weren’t logged in to (the forum you always vilify and praise without reading to) see it. How was I meant to foresee that?

    Comical to see you rushing to his aid becuase you assumed he had been talking about zionism. He wasn’t.

    Come on Paul, found any more Red Sea pedestrians on teh webz lately?

    Cerebral palsy? I thought you had dyslexia. My apologies if that really is the case.

  230. 236 lwtc247 September 27, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    I said stay on topic.
    Stop trolling and smearing people on this site.
    If you’ve got beef about what people say on this site (inc. me) then fair enough, crack your whip.

    I can’t remember deleted deleting a comment, but I’m prepared to make an exception. It’s your last yellow card.

  231. 237 ChineseWhisperer September 27, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Not really, can’t be bothered to read more than the odd recent comment. Gave up on your posts some time ago. Was just catching up with an old “pal”.

    Whatever the topic was, it wasn’t worth the thousands of keys that have been bashed over it.

  232. 238 lwtc247 September 27, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    “Whatever the topic was, it wasn’t worth the thousands of keys that have been bashed over it.” – Then don’t bash any more. Smear elsewhere.

  233. 239 ChineseWhisperer September 28, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Ironically, it was Pauly who brought the subject up but that was fine with you.

    Before you ban me, can you just do a request for me? Cheers. Do your little routine where you spit every time you spuriously mention the post-Mandate colonists in Palestine. It’s the way you Tel-Aviv them, so it is.

  234. 240 lwtc247 September 28, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Far from it. Paul was pretty much on topic. After a shallow reference to RN, you then threw out a personal attack against him, as you have done against me on multiple occasions with no actual reasoned argument..

    And your ridiculous ‘chicken-soup’ like “post-Mandate colonists in Palestine” label is loaded against people. No mention of the core anti-Judaic doctrine of Zionism or the phoney state. An amateurish attempt to dish out the rather old and tired “anti-Jew” lie.

    “post-Mandate colonists in Palestine” is better described by: a 60+ year history of Nakba signposted: thievery, Illegal, ruthless, heartless, immoral anti-Judaic Doctrine of Zionism, apartheid phoney ‘state’ of Israel. Not that such things would bother you of course.

    – Just stay on topic, and stop the smears / personal attacks. Debate substance instead. Not an unreasonable request I hope you agree.

  235. 241 ChineseWhisperer September 28, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Who referred to “RN”? I didn’t address that, deeply or otherwise.

    You should start making YouTube vids like Paul does, call yourselves the Fuckle Brothers. To me, to you.

    I actually agree with some of your more obvious truisms about Israel, but I feel you miss the point of how it got started and your “fetish” as you aptly tag it makes you come across as a caricature who finds himself drawn to the racist Right and all who espouse it.

    You can’t say you weren’t warned who Paul is and given a link to his past form.

  236. 242 ChineseWhisperer September 28, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    BTW, loved the little improv sketch – but please try and stay on topic, even when provoked to anger.

  237. 243 lwtc247 September 28, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    I took you for Anonymous September 25, 2011 at 12:46 am, so if you didn’t address RN then your off topic and rush to a personal attack against Paul Taylor was worse than I thought.

    You even mischaracterised the tag. It is of course meant related to the fetish of Zionist apparatchiks, who believe they have God in handcuffs and can trash the house.

    You probably will refuse to acknowledge this, but I would not ‘ally’ with anyone who hates Jews merely because they are Jews (let’s side-step the sticky issue of who or what exactly is a Jew). Unfortunately, most ‘Jews’ embrace varying shades of shades of Zionism and earn my enmity in direct proportion to their subservience. Christian Zionists, Muslims Zionists, atheistic Zionists, agnostics Zionists, whatever. Zionism, like Neocon-sim, Marxism, Communism, Capitalism, Neoliberalism… all cancers in my book.

    “I feel you miss the point of how it got started” – I wonder how you get that impression. Now to me, that would make an interesting discussion, but I doubt you’ll treat me to it.

    If Paul turns out to be what you accuse him of, and I’m telling you now, I seriously doubt he does, then I’ll acknowledge it.

  238. 244 ChineseWhisperer September 28, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    So since it wasn’t me who dubbed Paul a “knob”, that makes me worse, does it? Fair enough then.

    I was directly addressing his mischaracterisation of his short stint on a forum, which I remember fondly.

    “Unfortunately, most ‘Jews’ embrace varying shades of shades of Zionism…” I’ve seen this assertion made by another blogger, also without a shred of evidence offered. It could be true but should we just assume it is? Of course not.

    You seem to adopt the same approach to everything, to pre-judge the issue, which causes you to be prejudiced. You doubt this, you assume that, and then ask for the treat of a debate about the other. What would be the point of pretending such a thing is possible on those terms?

  239. 245 lwtc247 September 28, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    You have severe difficulty in abstaining from mischaracterisation. “your off topic and rush to a personal attack against Paul Taylor was worse than I thought.” It refers to two acts you did. Not YOU. surely you are trolling.

    I doubt any documentaries, polls, Jewish testimony, my personal experience, the Zionist domination within Jewish discourse, media, literature and academia and abundance of Zionist supporting institutions claiming to represent mainstream Judaism, the belittlement and sparse population of anti-Zionist Jewish groups (whose scriptural evidence pointing to a prohibition of the foundation of Israyhell is actively and vigorously rejected), Zionist criminal impunity (especially against the Palestinians), analysis of the Israyhelli lobby throughout centres of global political power, media and corporations, the vast majority of which shows clear levels of Jewish (and various non-Jewish) support for the Zionist apartheid state of Israyhell would count as evidence in your myopic eyes.

    I admit, I am likely to harbour prejudice. Don’t you? Or have you achieved enlightenment / detachment from the ‘duality of man’ so to speak. Have you purged all your human frailties? I believe my prejudices are evidenced. 60+ years of evidence. You doubt not and you assume nothing.

    Siddhartha, is that really you?

    I believe as a human being I have an obligation to assess the information in front of me and make an informed decision and I have spent considerable time examining this issue. I have settled on an opinion. That opinion may well cloud future events and experiences, but anything contrary to my opinion is absolute zero. Most importantly perhaps I have Divine scriptural dogma on this issue. I’m not ashamed to say so, neither will I try and fudge what my faith clearly says. I’m going to caution you particularly about mischaracterisation of that scripture.

    For now, I must make some progress on other matters.

  240. 246 ChineseWhisperer October 3, 2011 at 12:22 am

    “anything contrary to my opinion is absolute zero.”

    This must be why your blog is full of such lively debate.

  241. 247 lwtc247 October 3, 2011 at 7:12 am

    A lack of lively debate, but “ChineseWhisperer”, as you will know, there’s smear aplenty.

    • 248 Paul Taylor May 23, 2013 at 12:40 pm

      are you really solicitors if so please visit my youtube channel as I need legal help

      truthseeker9eleven
      i am being stalked, threatened and impersonated online in a 2 year campaign of harassment

      my skype is thisisyourwakeip

      if you are a genuine solicitor please get in touch

    • 249 Paul Taylor May 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm

      the channel that was attacking me referred to me as ‘pauly’ I suspect that the stalker is associated with FEMADEATHCAMPCONTROL who has been sending me threats and abuse for almost 2 years

      could you look through your logs and get the IP address

  242. 250 ChineseWhisperer October 3, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Ed: Irrelevant troll comment deleted.

  243. 251 highgate hill solicitors May 23, 2013 at 6:41 am

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