Update: It has come to my attention that the cherished spiderednews news hub has linked to this page from their assassinations page. Thank you. However this particular article contains no specific details about assassination (it does mention CO19 assassins and Jean Charles DeMenezes). So I would like to supply information about what I believe is a likely assassination… that of Azelle Rodney {click link}. Thanks again and tanks also to J7 for their coverage in realtion to this case.
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One of my fave news hubs http://www.spiderednews.com/ (via the East London advertiser) features a story about the filth (UK euphamism for cops) letting kids get their hands on a Heckler & Koch MP5 sub-machine gun.
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What an truly filthy act.
Here’s what the assassination squad, CO19, said of this disgusting tangable death porn. They said the guns were deactivated and they were successfully breaking down barriers between youths and police.
- Breaking down barriers of resistance towards and dislike of assassination squads morelike.
- Breaking down barriers between young stupid(impressionable) kids and implements of death.
Screw these assassins.
Sadly the Brits continue to sleepwalk into fascism.
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Living with the Conspiracy 24-7 
‘That’s right son, one day you’ll be able to shoot darkies with impunity’ Hell, soon we’ll be greenlit to shoot the lefties and pikeys too!’
@ BZ
Mods and Rockers has transcended the playground! But this time the results of the fracas are rather more permanent, just ask Jean (if he wasn’t already assassinated that is).
When I was younger I attended various public events where the military routinly displayed and allowed handling of thier various firearms in a de-activated state. I’ve yet to murder anyone. I really don’t get what the big deal here is. Further to my point, we have an American writer criticising Britain for allowing our police forces to use firearms. Columbine anyone? If anyone should be seriously considering thier national fire arm policy it should be Nortern America. It took a single incident in Dunblane for Britain to drive to remove handguns from it’s streets where many thousends of legally owned and lisenced handguns were willingly given up in response to the tragedy. It seems no matter how many fucked up yank kids gun down thier class mates and teachers the entire nation is still fixated on a 221 year old piece of paper called the ‘constitution’ as if it were the word of God. Get with the times, people. This being the same nation who sold middle eastern countries weapons and complained when they used them in an uprising against them. You say Britain is slipping into fascism but we didn’t head up wars on communism, terrorism, drugs and anything else that the current president doesn’t personally agree with.
fascism -noun
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
“if you are not with us, you are against us”
I’m an American, and I fully believe in gun ownership. From what i am aware of, columbine happened because of bullying and drug abuse, not the easy acces of guns. If they had not of been bullied or taking drugs they wouldn’t of killed anybody. Ben Franklin said that, and I’m paraphrasing, anyone who would give up a little freedom for a little safety will get none and deserves neither. Freedom is what the United States is all about.
I never used to, but now I believe in gun ownership too.
I also believe in SERIOUS punishments for those that allow their guns to be used illegitimately.
“Freedom is what the United States is all about.” – I’d agree it’s supposed to be what it’s about. What it is now and how it’s been steered, is however, something altogether different.
Bennotben.
thanks for the comment.
I’m in two minds about gun ownership, but for a while now, I’ve been leaning towards citizens being allowed to possess guns. Yes there are dangers with that, but those dangers are still visibly present even with a gun prohibition.
You point out well the role of screwed up kids (have you heard how much medication these millions of kids take) and it definitely deserves attention.
I never suggested a person handling a gun will become a killer, but at the same time, I think (I admit I’ve no stats on this) a person who has no experience of guns is less likely to kill someone.
I find it very distasteful(understatement) that those murdering bastards CO19 are involved. They blithely murdered an innocent man, I’d guess their training is essentially shoot to kill, but if not, then the unwritten code is likely to be shoot & kill first, cover up later.
My concern that an act of seduction is going on involving young impressionable kids by this gang of murderers shouldn’t be the object of surprize.
Re: The criticism of the ‘American writer’. If the writer was from Mauritania, then would that have validated his criticism?
You perhaps didn’t understand the context in which I mentioned fascism here. The definition you found is good, but not all encompassing. The relevance of fascism to this post is that fascism can only succeed if it can rely on state killer squads (of which, guns are a principal weapon).
The corporatism that the UK govt supports, to the near exclusion of all other interests, is a strong element of fascism and it’s prevalence sustains my accusation.
Fear is also an important aspect of fascism. The unforgiveable murderous actions of CO19, free from impunity towards murdering innocents added to the largely full cooking pot of fear. Who else is ‘fair game’
I’m not sure what you mean by Bush’s “if you are not with us, you are against us”. Bush meant it as a threat.
But I reject his tyrannical false bipolar choice. Who is he to dictate what lines of reason and morality I should choose; His choice is akin to “would you like to be punched – with the left fist or the right”?
And as he says God told him to invade Afghanistan apparently before 9-11, perhaps it was God who said Saddam had something to do it to, and that Saddam had WMD’s, and forged documents in an attempt to make it look like he tried to buy Uranium from Niger.
Assasination squads? your having a laugh. ah how silly. yeh ive been at army things where they have openly let you hold a very wide selection of their firearms. oh and i think someone had got a bit… carried away with their conspiracy theories – can you people not just live your life without thinking that everyone else is conspiring against you?
I personally dont think that its right that people blame CO19 – i personally think that it was what a few officers did to cover their new owned Guilt, who did wrong by killing an innoccent man – an innoccent man, thought by them to be a terrorist, even thought im sure that some of you will think that they did it because they hate people. because they are cold killers who don’t love and dont care. therefore they musnt have families? they do.
Is it not the reaction of a few officers, a few individuals, who have a job in common that killed an innocent man? is it not the fact that EVERY human, every living organism, is different. different opinions, different ways of living, different EXPERIENCES different reactions. It surely was an individual officers decision to start a trail of lies, to cover his mistake.
ever noticed that with young children, if they do something that they belive their parents will be angry at them, they will lie and try to cover it up. This is definatly not my half arsed attempt to say that what they did was ok or just.
They made a mistake themselves, however, influenced by others, maybe the fact that these officers thought that it was a terrorist sitting there.
They where told by superior officers that this man was a terrorist. he was also under survellance.
So, whos to say that if someone showed you all the death and loss caused by a few men, in the name of their god, and then gave you a gun and told you that the man sitting next to you on this train was a terrorist. He will kill you without a second thought. You will be leaving everyone you love behind. and these sources are sure. in a better time, they might have prevented this happening, stopped him, questioned him, you wouldnt be standing next to a man who doesnt care about you or anyone you love. do you shoot him? you would be taking the life of one man, saving the life of many, including yourself. it cant be said what you’d do. foresight is a wonderful thing. sadly it doesnt really exist in these situations.
So this man was innocent by the way.
Everyones judgment is completly different. thats what you have to remember. If you where in that situation, as with any situation, you would be scared, no matter how trained.
So, lets say i hate something. ive been influenced, what can i say… i hate this thing, i hate them, and whatever they say is wrong – its just an attempt to make everyone else belive that i am wrong and they are right. its an attempt to ruin me. they must be lying. am i right?
I can only see one side of the story – mine. its not even MY side of the story really.
The kid holding the gun. he he, i know loads of people who had an obbsesion with guns when they where a kid! i too have been to many army things where they have handed you a gun and told you how they have killed people with them. how they have used one of these to kill some man. Ok, its not really right.
but, have you ever done something, then later thought – my god, what was i thinking, god im retarded. yes you have, almost everyone in the world has.
Hello Shadow. Thanks for leaving the comment.
I’m not having a laugh. In fact, it is quite literally deadly serious. When they killed JCdM they were acting as an assassination squad, like all these ARU’s when they kill innoent people.
As for conspiracies: Given the proven lies and the media distortions about JCdM (common in the other killings of civillians) that these assassinations involve conspiracy is self demonstrating. That is unless one doesn’t understand what a conspiracy is.
There are many conspiracies. Many proven many not. Here’s some of the proven ones: Gladio, the strategy of tension, The Maine, USS Liberty, Gulf of Tonken, Allende (Chile), Iraq… Even WW2 with Prescot Bush (Dubya’s grandpappy) and IBM financing the third reich. The Lavron affair etc….
If you choose to live in ognorance of the forces in this world that have large and dire consequences, then I’m not going to try and convince you otherwise.
And similiarly if you believe there is no motive between letting people handle firearms, other than for reasons of pure benevolence, then you are every advertisers dream.
If CO19 are an assassination squad, they’re not a very good one, they only shot and killed two suspects in 2005 despite being involved in several thousand armed operations. Do you know how many people the Brazilian Police killed in Sao Paulo alone in the same year? Over 500! Perhaps John Charles should have stayed at home and taken his chances there, eh? his death was a tragic mistake and that’s it, no death squads, no conspiracies…move on!
A mistake and that’s it – So so so wrong tone.
They are trained to assassinate and they did it on 22/7. Nobody is claiming ALL they do is assassination.
Now tone, stop being silly
The police watchdog said ballistic tests showed “no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired”.
Investigations by the IPCC show the father of four [Mark Duggan] died after two shots were fired by a Scotland Yard CO19 firearms officer”
w_ww.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516
I’m interested in the fact called up CO19, when it seems they hadn’t yet got a mention in the media. Are you associated with CO19 in anyway?
@ 6:48 Anon
Cheers for your thoughts.
I’d agree the officers are guilty. But the officers didn’t have anything to make them think he was a terrorist. It’s apologists like the BBC that say they thought he was terrorist but clearly he wasn’t.
You can love selectively you know. Otherwise the whole world would be at peace.
I can’t accept a ‘single’ officer mistake line, because the lie(s) was(were) at the highest levels of the top, not just the operational officers of that dreadful day.
Why would Ian Blair put him position in jeopardy for a subordinate operational officer? It’s not convincing. But if that ‘single person’ as Blair then it would make sense. It would also open a can of worms as I don’t think Blair has been factored into this killing. If he’s involved now then it would be highly significant and indicate a far more sinister reason why JCdM was killed.
I know why people lie. The police and people like Tony/Ian Blair are serial (perhaps pathological) liars. That many people do it is irrelevant as the lies came AFTER JCdM was horrifically obliterated.
There is the issue of the lying witnesses too. Wires from a heavy coat. This also suggests a serious conspiracy. How did apparent members of the public say these things? How did they come to the attention of journalists (who later incessantly pushed the line they believe JCdM because he was going to set a bomb off in the train).
Who lied about drugs and prostitutes and illegal immigrant?
That supposedly independent members of the public were rapidly pulled into a scenario to lie for an officer (or CO19 assassin) who make a mistake is a non-starter.
You said he was under surveillance. – I don’t think that’s correct. Nobody, that we know of, was watching JCdM a few seconds before he left the entrance to his accommodation.
I also don’t think any officer said to anyone that JCdM was a terrorist. They couldn’t even identify him properly!
So, who’s to say that if someone showed you all the death and loss caused by a few men, in the name of their god, and then gave you a gun and told you that the man sitting next to you on this train was a terrorist. He will kill you without a second thought. You will be leaving everyone you love behind. and these sources are sure. in a better time, they might have prevented this happening, stopped him, questioned him, you wouldn’t be standing next to a man who doesn’t care about you or anyone you love. do you shoot him? you would be taking the life of one man, saving the life of many, including yourself. it cant be said what you’d do. foresight is a wonderful thing. sadly it doesn’t really exist in these situations.
First I would think for myself and not accept at face value anything said about such a serious matter. Wouldn’t you?
Secondly JCdM was supposed to be one of the 21/7 ‘bombers’ who killed nobody and had no bombs. You fail to mention the man on the train WASN’T a terrorist. A real terrorist on a train might be a different matter.
If he was a terrorist, I’d damn well stop him from entering a public place. The armed squad should have been in place with the surveillance teams from the word go in case a suspected terrorist decided to leave his home. Terrorists aren’t housebound last time I looked. None of it is hindsight or foresight at all. Having a real suspected terrorist get among people is kind of ‘rule 1 of not to do when dealing with a potential suicide’ bomber. But common sense (and decency) is scarily uncommon. The sources weren’t sure as I’ve mentioned before. I’d only shoot him if there was proof that he did something. The 21-7 bombers – of who JCdM was supposed to be a part, didn’t kill anyone.
I am not saying they were not scared. But being scared should not mean they can kill at will. Being scared is of course part of their training, tempering it to be consciously controlled in order for a pre-scripted set of procedures can take place. And if for some unusual chance it wasn’t part of their training then that would be criminal negligence pertaining to homicide. Possibly corporate homicide. Certainly not grounds to be given a bloody holiday and promotion. How sick is that?
Have you ever thought of Where the obsession with guns came from? If not I think you should do something to rectify that situation. I too used to play with guns as a kid. I had a really small gun which used to convince people was a real one that could fire a single bullet. It was a long long time ago and I can’t remember much else about it, but that wasn’t a good thing for me despite the fact no permanent consequence befell me.
I’m not anti-gun. In fact I think there are very strong arguments for adults having guns. But these kids are being groomed into gang-like respect for these assassination squads.
Some soldier bragging about killing someone is f***ing perverse! Especially a British soldier who is likely to have murdered some road sweeper or hotel owner in Iraq, or wedding organiser in Afghanistan.
What was that you said about love earlier?
Yes I have said “What the hell was I doing” about a few things, but never to the extent of killing innocent person or pimping guns to kids so that one way they will try and kill someone also. The degree of the skeletons in my cupboard are fully alive people in comparison.
I appreciate your post, even though I argument against it. That’s a significant part of my nature when it comes to politics.
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Could you remove the code from your comment please. Thanks.
Imagine being told that hundreds of people could possibly die in the next few minutes. Imagine that a childs life could depend on the decision you make in that split second. Imagine that you and your family are put through hell for a couple of months just because you thought you were saving lives. Gun crime and terrorism is very real. We need the men and women in CO19 to do what we can’t. Mistakes were made but the guys with the fingers on the triggers didn’t make any.
The police are supposed to be trained to be able to put pre-defined procedure into practice. It’s bizarre to me to think that police go into deadly serious situations like this ‘cold’ – In fact I cant believe that to be the case.
Let me turn the tables. Imagine someone you love is shot in the head again and again and again and again and again… over a period of time. The excuse offered to you that it was done to save lives won’t wash. You will demand an inquiry. You will be outraged at the unprofessionalism. You will be outraged at the lies and cover-ups. You will be outraged by the promotions and holidays the killer of your loved one gets. You will be outraged by the way strange witnesses say they did things which your loved one didn’t and the multiple smears. You will be outraged that the same thing may happen to another innocent person.
Do you accept what happened just because it is someone else bearing the pain of having their loved one snuffed out and not you?
I am not saying there isn’t a case for shooting a suspect, I understand the difficulty you expressed and it is but the criteria by which I could understand the need to do that are WAY WAY beyond what CO19 do.
How many lives have CO19 saves?
I really don’t know how can you say this: “Mistakes were made but the guys with the fingers on the triggers didn’t make any.” Jean Charles de Menezes was a wholly innocent man.
I’d be interested to hear if there is a line you would draw in the sand and what that line would be, although from what you’ve said so far it seems like anyone’s “fair game” – ‘cos they don’t make mistakes.
‘300 dead as police stand back and allow terrorists to blow up a train whilst they make sure they won’t make a mistake’