Petition in formulation against a possible decision by government to take citizens gold in context of the global financial crisis

Update: (sticky requirment of this post has demeed to have run its course)

The US govt pulled out all the stops to sell nuclear technology to India so that India can pay for it in Rupees. Oh yeah! Have some more coffee! Please…

{editied} From comments section:

@ all
The governments ignoral of the February 2003 protests, in which millions took to the streets to say in advance, “NO” to bombing Iraq were totally ignored. And it’s been in my mind recently after making this post. I’m beginning to think the same will happen if we register our protests against them thieving our gold. They don’t give a stuff about people, especially people with different views to their own. If the petition goes ahead, they will have a pre-made list of people who are likely to possess gold. So I think the petition would not be worth it.

The wars that the US has breathed upon many countries in the last 50 years or so, have taught us a valuable lesson – that of guerrilla /assymetric war. I think the same tactics should be employed against tyrannical empires – this time, in terms of stopping the government once again robbing us once more, this time by issuing fake demands/orders that we hand over OUR gold. I’m a target already, I accept that. I popped my head above ground and Saurons eye has spotted me. I don’t care in this case but, others will.

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update to post:

We have seen huge plunges in the Dow and FTSE AFTER $700bln of taxpayers money was used to cover the intertwined debts of the oppressive capitalist system. Today, the BBC main page sports this:


No prizes for guessing these “leaders” have discussed swiping your gold to prop up their economies. Of course if you’re a slave to fraudulent paper money of no intrinsic value whatsoever, none of this should bother you. If however, you smart enough to realise trying to secure your hard earned savings is best achieved by the acquirement of gold, then you should be aware of the possibility that governments will try and steal gold from you as they have done before. I advise you to resist. The fraudsters have proven that they aren’t working in your interests at all. The need to finalise wording and tell these people we will NOT accept the theft of our gold, or other essential possessions, moves a step closer.

Thank you.

end of update
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There’s talk of gold afoot and also ‘this  is the big one’ [economic crash]

Discussions include historical accounts when the US government tried to force people to had over their gold.

If this crisis is the big one, then it’s my opinion that gold based economics is going to be necessary to recreate a system of market economics. I believe that system will once again primarily benefit a wealthy clique amongst society, have little benefit for the middle class and cause even greater death and destruction amongst the lower class and poor across the whole planet.

 Any attempt by the government to bring about this new system sees the possibility that the govt will once again try and thieve our gold.

 I believe in times of crisis, people should simply REFUSE to hand over gold in private possession, especially given the history of previous acts and the macro economics which has occurred ever since. We have absolutely no obligation to have our savings used in such a disgraceful manner. I strongly encourage others to oppose a government recall, and by letting the government know of our intention, I hope to dissuade them from ever trying.

 Hence I am considering making a petition calling on the govt not to consider such a move.

 Would anyone support such a move? Could people pass the petition around? Does anyone have any good wording they think would be helpful to such a petition.?

 — PLEASE  see comments section for suggestions as to the wording of the petition and discussions on it. Thank you. —

 

Cheers.

Lw.

 P.S. Due to Patriot act I & II, make sure u don’t leave your gold in a bank !!!!…

 

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14 Responses to “Petition in formulation against a possible decision by government to take citizens gold in context of the global financial crisis”


  1. 1 lwtc247 October 7, 2008 at 6:18 am

    P.s. In the article linked to above you will find the following working…

    “That the continued private hoarding of gold and silver by subjects of the United States poses a grave threat to the peace, equal justice, and well-being of the United States; and that appropriate measures must be taken immediately to protect the interests of our people.”

    Haven’t we seen that kind of thing before???

  2. 2 antireptilian October 7, 2008 at 7:07 am

    LW

    The problem with the wording in your comment is that it does not apply to the sychophantic investment class and bankers. This means the common man will have to hand over his gold and silver, or be labled a terrorist and enemy of the state.

    In the US during the last depression, there was a 10 year jail term attached to so called hoarding. Soon, i get the feeling that this will also apply to food and fuel. Those with the foresight to prepare reserves will be attacked by Government.

  3. 3 lwtc247 October 7, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “the common man will have to hand over his gold and silver, or be labled a terrorist and enemy of the state.” – you’re probably right. The wording in the 1933 act: “poses a grave threat to the peace, equal justice, and well-being of the United States” plastered upon those who don’t agree to be ripped off by ther govt (and they were ripped off – on a huge scale!) is obnoxious and falsely seeks to attribute such people as ‘dangerous’ – yes it is likely to be repeated today, which, as you identify, will employ the term terrorist.

    It’s perverse, and I for one an utterly sick of it. This shady and scummy government of brown nosers. So I refuse here and now to stand idly by as I’m ripped off by scum supporting wealthy nd oppressive megascum.

    So I guess I’m a terrorist. Ho humm…

    But I already am. Bush arbitrarily said “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists” Well Bushy baby, I’m defiantely not with you pal, and I give your false choice the middle finger.

    The wording (under construction) isn’t finalised yet. I ask for suggestions.

    It’s an astounding reality inversion. It should be us commandeering the gold from the government for OUR common good. The government is OURS, (in theory anyway), but these bastards have somehow managed to spin it 180 so that we are slaves of the slippery and foul stench govt.

  4. 4 Ahmad Mokhzani October 7, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Ed: I’ve moved this info to a more approproate location. I tired of telling people I don’t want
    Vy-agg-erra or an extension to my manhood.

  5. 5 antireptilian October 7, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Hmm

    Wording for the petition…Let me give it a stab..

    “Petition against the reappropriation of the peoples sovereign resources by government, business and banking”

    Sovereign resources definition
    All private land, buildings, materials, Precious metals, food reserves,seed, money and persons.

    We, the people of Britian demand that no act of law, precedent, or agreement will entitle Government, business or banking organisations to reappropriate privately held resources for use by said organisations. We also demand the repeal of the 1938 Essential Commodities Reserves Act and subsequent amendments which target non trade related stores and reserves intended to see persons and their families through periods of instability.

    Foresight and attention to current events will see members of the public stockpiling reserves for difficult times. Those who make preperations for such times must be able reap the benefits of such foresight without interference and prosecution on behalf of government, business and banking organisations.

    Its not great, but perhaps,you can use some of it..

    Regards
    Antireptilian

  6. 6 lwtc247 October 7, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    @ Antireptilian. Lovely wording and thanks for the valuable input…

    This is what I wrote…

    We, the undersigned, wish to express in clear terms, our refusal to be bound by any past, present or future act of Parliament, including that of Monarchical decree, which is designed to facilitate the acquisition of privately held assets such as, but not limited to, precious metals, for example Gold.

    We believe strongly, that Parliament is subservient to the will of the people and particularly in times of crisis, this means the right of the individual is paramount.

    The right of every individual to use his or her privately owned resources as they themselves see fit is fundamental to liberty.

    the undersigned…

    More Ideas would be useful as would critical analysis of each suggestion..

    Anyone?

  7. 7 lwtc247 October 7, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Your expansion of privately owned assets is great – inc. the identification of ‘persons’. I’ve heard of people being commandeered. So it seems like you’ve addressed the silly and baseless and imposed queen/subject issue.

    I think something saying, along the lines of “Oi! Lizzie! Naaaowww!” is important as Elizardbeth is actually still the head of state (and of the commonwealth too for that matter, and the former colonies think there are ‘free’ ho ho!).

    Sorry Elizardbeth Saxe-Gothe-Muchausen or whatever your real triple-barrelled name is, I’m a republican!

    Also, you’ve done the hard work and researched the 1938 Essential Commodities Reserves Act, which I never knew about. Thanks.

    I have few qualms, if any, about company assets being pinched by the state in times of crisis or privately owned resources that are proved to have been gained by fraudulent or clearly excessive means (e.g. profits through derivative trading, or CEO’s getting $300m bonus

    I think an indication of strong feeling about this issue is essential, or the govt will be more tempted to do what it did over events of 15th Feb 2003

    Hummm…

  8. 8 anon October 7, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    GOLD AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM

    The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.

    This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists’ tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights.” and so on ….

  9. 9 lwtc247 October 8, 2008 at 5:41 am

    Thanks anon.

    Changing possession of depreciating fiat for gold isn’t appealing to some repsected loons. That Alan Greenscam is supporting gold ownership may instatly be taken by some, to compound that stance. I don’t have that view. If say, a known fraudster tells the truth, the truth is still the truth, no matter waht was said before.

    For me, the reasons of physical gold ownership are more sound than any other means of attempted financial security, and the numerous problems inherent with fiat are proved – without exception. I don’t like using a token in place of physical gold even if the token is supposedly backed up by gold which is something Greenscam advocted.

    A loon sent me one of Ayan Rands books (Atlas Shrugged) but I haven’t read it yet. I didn’t know Greenscam and Rand were buddies.

    That a government, by forbidding me from trading in gold, is somehow acting in my interest is an enigma to me, and an enigma I reject.

  10. 10 anon October 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Fascinating to watch all this coverage of the credit crunch. During all of it, I haven’t ever heard anyone discuss:-

    1) Fiat Currency
    2) Fractional Reserve
    3) Disintermediation

    (the latter one is the most interesting).

  11. 11 lwtc247 October 9, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Hi anon.
    Personally, I don’t think 3) is such a significant factor, which could be why it’s not getting much airtime. As you express interest in it, you’re likely to be able to quantify how this process is adding to the cruch. May I ask you for a little bit of input on reappropriation?

    There are discussion on 1) and 2) around, only some (skindeep) on this site. Actually the guarantees the EU govt’s are making is wholly relient on frctional reserve methodology. I cannot imagine they hav anywhere near the capacity to cover all savings.

    To be the dominating issue by far is derivatives, and the stronger possibility reattaching currency to gold if this crisis deepens (and I believe it will).

  12. 12 Ahmad Mokhzani October 9, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    To Mike and other respected visitors,

    Please visit my web: http://universal-islamic-finance.blogspot.com

    God bless you all!

  13. 13 lwtc247 October 11, 2008 at 2:28 am

    @ Ahmad.
    Thank you for that URL. Sorry the comment entered the spam box for a approval. I still don’t know why, but perhaps it was because the word ‘finance’ appears.

    @ all
    The governments ignoral of the February 2003 protests, in which millions took to the streets to say in advance, “NO” to bombing Iraq were totally ignored. And it’s been in my mind recently after making this post. I’m beginning to think the same will happen if we register our protests against them thieving our gold. They don’t give a stuff about people, especially people with different views to their own. If the petition goes ahead, they will have a pre-made list of people who are likely to possess gold. So I think the petition would not be worth it.

    The wars that the US has breathed upon many countries in the last 50 years or so, have taught us a valuable lesson – that of guerrilla /assymetric war. I think the same tactics should be employed against tyrannical empires – this time, in terms of stopping the government once again robbing us once more, this time by issuing fake demands/orders that we hand over OUR gold. I’m a target already, I accept that. I popped my head above ground and Saurons eye has spotted me. I don’t care in this case but, others will.

    Anyway…
    Here’s the latest from New Zealand Iron Clay (Neal) a respected independent conspiraloon indeed. Interested parties should note: I don’t necessarily endorse Neal’s words but I respect the guy and his opinions usually have substance behind them…

    On: U.S. Treasury Freezes Gold Mints, Gold Coin Sales.
    Forword::
    This action may be the knife edge for the big crash.
    Remember in the US government has a record of confiscation of gold to “save the nation”.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if that trend went world wide.
    I note that gold went from $885 to $931 today. {Note Gold fell sharply as low as $830 and is now at $849)

    Neal

    *****************************************
    U.S. Treasury Freezes Gold Mints, Gold Coin Sales

    As of yesterday, the U.S. government has shut down its gold mints. No more official gold coins are being minted in the
    United States of America. The sales of all U.S. Treasury gold coins has been frozen until further notice. All American Eagle
    gold coins are sold out across the nation. There are simply no more coins left.

    Investors have been piling up holdings of the coins as the markets have been rocked with turbulence. The government’s latest action is halting the production and sales of gold and platinum coins. This move comes after the Mint stopped sales of two other coins in August and September.

    The government is clearly taking drastic steps to slow the public’s panicked flight away from the dollar and towards gold. Given the current state of our economy, we can only assume that there will be more measures to follow.

    Why would the U.S. government freeze the production and sale of gold coins right in the middle of peak demand for those
    coins?

    Why also is the price of gold so low when there’s a peak demand for gold?

    The only logical reason is called “Executive Order 6102,” signed into law in 1933 by FDR.
    You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_confiscation

    Back in the 1930’s, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, recognizing the inherent value of a currency based upon gold, and looking to stabilize the U.S. dollar, ordered gold coins owned by American citizens to be confiscated. Americans that did not comply faced large fines and/or jail sentences. In order to protect coin collectors, the only exemptions from the confiscation were rare or otherwise special coins.

    The only other reason is that the mints may being converted over to stamp out coins in a NEW currency designed to replace the dollar. When the dollar collapses (which could happen in a matter of weeks or months, depending on the global finance situation), the U.S. needs to be ready to introduce a replacement currency, at which point the citizens will be offered perhaps five cents on the dollar to exchange worthless dollars for the new currency.

    In any case, the U.S. gold mints have been frozen, and gold coin sales from the mints are frozen. Historically, this is a
    possible precursor to gold confiscation. It is a sign that the federal government is desperate in its attempts to limit the financial
    options of the People. The government, simply put, doesn’t want the People to be able to buy any more gold, because there’s
    a rush right now OUT of the dollar and INTO gold.

    The Elites have already forced the price down and bought what they wanted.


    Homepage … http://www.iron-clay.com
    News page … http://www.iron-clay.com/icnews_index.html
    OWG page … http://www.iron-clay.com/one_world_government.html
    The Temple page … http://www.iron-clay.com/the_temple.html
    Herbal Remedy Page … http://www.iron-clay.com/herbal_index_page.html
    Mystery Babylon page … http://www.iron-clay.com/mystery-babylon.html
    America’s page … http://www.iron-clay.com/american_legacy.html

    Dont Talk To Me About “Peace or Freedom” Until You Can Show Me “Right Justice” For The Peoples Of: Vietnam, North Korea, Kosovo, Cuba, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Iran.

  14. 14 lwtc247 October 12, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Neal’s report of a gold runing low is matched bere….
    Austria witnesses new gold rush

    It’s funny but I’ve never heard of the “Vienna Philharmonic – one of the best-selling bullion coins worldwide.” That doesn’t mean it’s not such a popular coin, but that I’ve never heard of it, is quite strange.

    Prices remain around the $850 mark, despite unprecedented demand. gold is showing the law of supply and demand is not law at all.

    Is gold being kept low enough so that many people will buy it (yet high enought to make it costly to buy) so that it can all be take away later.

    I’d have to say yes it is. Do you have a better explanation?


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