Update: The MS data Dr. Chris Busby posted on Blairwatch is showing now: This is what it says as of 10th June 2009:
The data are up on the website of the Low Level Radiation Campaign. The measurements were made at Harwell. Isotope ratio in the soil sample was 108. Toatal U was 13mg/kg. LOD was 0.0002mg/kgU238 and 0.0001mg/kgU235. Instrument was Agilent ICPMS. Diffetnt method alpha spectrometry gave same result in different lab. We have now found EU in a car filter. Check out llrc.org. Thank you. Chris
End of update.
The BBC newz and current affairz division, ever the nucleus of stinking lies (evidence #1) in support of mass murder, genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity and ‘environmentalcide’, report on a particular illegal bombing of Sytria by the Zionist entity in 2007 2006.
Amongst those who followed this, you will probably remember there was a strange information vacuum on behalf of the Syrians. The pro-Zionist corporate mainstream media (to give it it’s proper, full title), may have assisted in the silence from Syria, but news on the anti-NWO news outlets whch I read were also pretty much devoid of Syrian comminiques.
Anyway, before you read further please the the BBC newz article HERE.
Hopefully you will have read the earlier evidence #1 above, and so, on reading this:
“Now in a confidential report obtained by the BBC…”
then, if you’re capable of at least half an independent thought, you would now have a rather large ‘pinch of salt’ in your mind. Continuing directly from where we left off, the BBC newz article says:
“it [the report] says it has discovered new traces of uranium of a type not included in Syria’s declared nuclear material.”
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Asside:
does this cry then ring out:
“A ha! I knew it. Those damn Arab/Muslims. I knew they were up to something. I knew the fascile, politically correct respect I felt compelled to give them wasn’t sustainable. They deserve to be bombed.”
People who may think that way remind me of that nasty man called Winston Churchill…
I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.
I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.” – source
Supporters of ‘Death by Churchill’ may counter he only wanted to make their eyes water. What nonsense. He was pimping for weapons to fascilitate his desire for military advantage/supremacy potenial, much like all weapon pimps before him and those who followed him when they bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima, sprayed Agent Orange across SouthEast Asia, used depleted uranium and white phosphorous against the people of Fallujah and Gaza. He was deliberately underplaying it. To think that by making peoples eyes water they would them agree to be colonbised is ridiculous and offering apologies for imperialistic murder. Harmless lachrymatory substances had long been known (e.g. thiopropanal S-oxide – the volatile gas produced from damaged onion cells or Allyl isothiocyanate, reported to be a dangerous lachrymator. His pretence that gas was just to make peoples eyes water is shown for the sack of crap it is when in 1920 he wrote to Hugh Trenchard, the pioneer of air warfare:
“the provision of some kind of asphyxiating bombs calculated to cause disablement of some kind but not death…for use in preliminary operations against turbulent tribes.” – source
Here Churchill is revealing that to permanently disabling them, something that doesn’t happen if you just make their eyes water, would be more advantageous to British imperilism because the would be too sick to fight but dain the resources of the those targeted for British colonisation.
Churchill gloves really comes out of his fake concern against human suffering when in a prime ministerial minute (1944) he writes:
“I want a cold-blooded calculation made as to how it would pay us to use poison gas, by which I mean principally mustard.” – Winston Churchill 6th July 2944. Personal minute aka the “Secret Poison Gas Memo” – source
Eerily, in that same source, we see this written by British scumbad Bomber(i.e. killer) Harris saying:
“The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured.” Remember other British filthy killers Tony bLiar / Alistair Campbell / John Scarlett / Geff ‘Hoon / Richard Dearlove / Lard Goldsmith 45 minute lie?
and interestingly enough, Churchill didn’t consider the V1 and V2 bombs even reaching the level of a “serious nuisance” yet these bombs are often cited as justification for the destruction of Dresden, Munich and other British strocities.
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Of course the BBC does it’s part to foment angst towards the Arabs and the Iranians, who are tossed into this report. Iran let’s not forget, is absolutely within its its right to develop nuclear energy even though it is ridiculously stupid to do so.
Right. Now this post is coming to an end, who spotted the flaw?
Come on, surely someone spotted it?
(Huh>? lwtc really has gone mad this time…)
What do you think the Israyhelli’s bombed the Syrian target with? Have a guess. go on? There must be someone that can guess?? Here’s some clues:
TITLE: Bunker buster bombs containing depleted uranium warheads used by Israel against civilian targets in Lebanon
By: Dr. Doug Rokke
www: (http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m28056&hd=0&size=1&l=e)
Dr. Doug Rokke is former Director, U.S. Army Depleted Uranium project
See Fisk:
Mystery of Israel’s secret uranium bomb
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1935945.ece
Those reports came from the ironically named ‘Blairwatch‘ – a site which at times was unashemed in displaying it’s pro-Zionism (depending on which author was posting at the time) – unless to happen to think it’s OK to delete the scientific Mass Spectroscopy iosotopic anaysis given by Chris Busby which proved:
Israel did in fact use enriched uranium to bomb Lebanon in the summer of 2006.
The BBC doesn’t give a toss about news nor does it care about exposing Zionist rot, in fact it seems to relish opportunities to cover it up at each and every opportunity.
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This article is bogus – Doug Rokke is a fraud – he never was the Director of the Army’s depleted uranium program – when the Army decided to use DU to kill Soviet tanks because nothing else worked, Rokke was an avionics technician in the Air Force. He joined the Illinois Army National Guard in 1980 and was commissioned a Second Lieutenant in the Army Reserve in 1986. As a First Lieutenant, he was ordered up as a “filler” for the 12th Medical Detachment (Preventive Medicine)in Beloit, Wisconsin and arrived in Saudi Arabia in December 1990. He later was attached to the group that assessed and decontaminated Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Abrams tanks with DU contamination. He claims to have led the group and that members have died due to their exposure to DU. Both claims are false. Rokke was the most junior officer on the team which was led by a senior civilian scientist from Rock Island Arsenal and none of the members has died. For more about Rokke, I have written a bio based on the documents that I got under the Freedom of Information Act and other research. I posted that as a review to Rokke’s latest con job, Contaminated Forever at Amazon dot com.
The UN Environment Programme Post Conflict Branch went to Lebanon to find depleted uranium. It did not find any – Unlike Chris Busby who pontificates and obfusticates from his UK office, they actually went to Lebanon, did extensive field research and then took the samples back to a Swiss lab and had them tested. Busby, his ego hurt, then claimed that UNEP lied because he just knows and they of course did not really go to Lebanon, they pretended to do so. Why not read their report and see for yourself?
http://postconflict.unep.ch/publications.php?prog=lebanon
pages 150 and 152
FINDINGS
No use of weapons containing depleted uranium (DU)
UNEP investigated a number of sites with underground facilities with the highest probability of having been attacked with deep-penetrating ammunition. The typical signs pointing to the use of “bunker buster” munitions include collapsed buildings with minimal lateral damage and, usually, little or no evidence of burning.
Smear sampling of undisturbed surfaces is one of the most precise methods of detecting depleted uranium. In UNEP’s experience, this method can detect the impact of as little as two 30mm DU penetrators of 300 grams each and clearly confirm the presence of DU within 300 meters from the target. Given the high sensitivity of the method, the impact on a hard surface of a “bunker buster” containing a DU penetrator weighing approximately 200 kilograms, which would generate 5-25 per cent of its mass in DU dust, would be detected at a distance even greater than 300 meters with the highest probability.
The analysis results show no evidence of the use of DU-containing penetrators or metal products. In addition, no DU shrapnel or other radioactive residue was found at the sites investigated. The analysis of all smear samples taken did not detect DU, enriched uranium, or higher than normal uranium content. After an extensive investigation, including of sites rumored to have been hit by DU weapons, it can be stated that the “bunker buster” ammunition used by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) in the conflict did not contain DU, natural uranium or any other uranium isotope.
Roger
DUStory-owner@yahoogroups.com
I find your lack of respect for Professor Doug Rokke, Ph.D.
(or Doug Rokke as you call him) very intriguing. Your omission of his academic qualifications make him sound like he is some kind of ‘green around the gills’ school lever – an unqualified one of course.
Prof. Rokke is working to try and stop the use of deadly DU munitions. So why are you trying to investigate and discredit him?
My curiosity about you is enhanced further at you posting here <23 hours after I published this post.
a number of sites describe Prof. Rokke as being the former Director of the U.S. Army Depleted Uranium project. They could be wrong, as of course so could you, despite you special interest investigations into him.
In this case, it was me who pasted "former Director of the U.S. Army Depleted Uranium project." so HE cannot be said to be a fraud, hence your claim that “This article is bogus” is a false accusation. Also, you address NONE of the science related issues HE discusses so your peeing in the wind.
Ad for Dr. Chris Busby, British Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk (or Chris Busby as you call him), Robert Fisk (who to me is one of the most respectable Journalist Britain has ever produced (despite strong disagreements with some of his political analysis) says of Dr. Busby in his article in the Independent:
Quote:
“According to Dr Chris Busby, , two soil samples thrown up by Israeli heavy or guided bombs showed “elevated radiation signatures”. Both have been forwarded for further examination to the Harwell laboratory in Oxfordshire for mass spectrometry – used by the Ministry of Defence – which has confirmed the concentration of uranium isotopes in the samples.”
Endquote.
On Blairwatch, Dr. Busby published the technical specifications of the MS that obtained these findings, a practice in accordance with professional analytical procedure, but Blairwatch deleted that information.
My money is that the MS at Harwell matched exactly the one Dr. Busby reported.
After that we may now say: The soil samples were representative of the soil sampled there, in which case the most likely source of the enriched U was Israyhell (bequeathed sophisticated weaponry from the United States), or someone put that enriched uranium in the soil samples. In fact I’m pretty sure Dr. Busby mentioned that second possibility himself, but of course you wouldn’t know that because putrid Blairwatch deleted that too!
Cutting out the copious irrelevancies of what you say, leaves a pretty threadbare case, in fact almost stark naked case, for discounting the possibility that Israyhell via its illegal bombing is the source of the unidentified uranium at al-Kibar.
Given that Syria has no nuclear program, (unlike Israyhell which is reported to have a nuclear warhead arsenal in the hundreds) one must begin to consider where this unidentified man–made Uranium came from.
I will read the report, time permitting, and comment more later and keep your comments in mind.
Thank you for engaging.
While I’d wading through that 184 page report, readers may like to peruse:
1) The Depleted Uranium Project
http://myweb.brooklyn.liu.edu/lawrence/duproject/duproject.htm
2) World Uranium Weapons Conference, Hamburg 16h-19th Oct 2003
http://www.uraniumweaponsconference.de/
3) http://www.thepowerhour.org/news3/doug_rokke_bio.htm
(I’m being blocked by google from reading this page)
4) starDUst: The Dr. Douglas Rokke Foundation
http://www.freewebs.com/stopdu/
5) http://www.grassrootspeace.org/depleted_uranium.html
You have such vivid language. Ever stop to think that there are a lot of clever liars -and that they all get paid for their lies. Some of them began as liars for Saddam – his tanks got destroyed and he wanted the ammunition that killed them banned and to make US/UK look like bigger ogres than he was. Then there are those who sell their DVDs and books, ask for donations, and get others to pay them to fly around the world and tell them all they know about DU. What you don’t know is that people like Douglas Lind Rokke are con artists. Some idiot may have established a foundation for Rokke, but they were conned. Rokke is a failure at life who needs a mission. He went to college until he was in his thirties and got a PhD and never used it for a real job. His PhD is in Vocational Education, but instead of being a distinguished vocational educator, Rokke has decided to be self-styled Mr DU. He then claims to be a lot of things that he is not and you get regurgitators to go look on the net for everything that they agree with – they always ignore the actual science. For some reason, they are anti-science and pro-liar – go read the lies, but then ask where do they come from. That’s how I got into this. I wondered about the “1943 Memo to Groves”. It made no sense. There was very little DU in 1943 and uranium -238 is not suitable to use radiologically. Then I read the memo closely and found that it never even mentions uranium. It is about f.p. and those are short half-lived fission products, very “hot” materials which do emit 100 Roentgens/Day rather than milliroentgens, a hundred thousandth of that amount. I later found that the memo that Rokke and Moret have used extensively; it is the foundation of Moret’s claim of 61 years of Uranium Wars, is a forgery. It is made of four different documents; a couple are genuine Manhattan Project memos, but just a page of each stitched together with a page from an article from the 1960s. Now, what kind of person sends a forged document to a Congressman, Leuren Moret, that’s who. Well, I expect that not all the readers have closed minds like the preceding lemming. If you don’t have a closed mind, write me and I will share some of the other things that I have found over the past four years. Roger, DUStory-owner@yahoogroups.com
Professor Rokke – oh wow – in reality, Douglas Lind Rokke served as a Visiting Assistant Professor at Jacksonville State University, Alabama for two academic years. I was not able to obtain a list of his classes; the President of the University did not have that information. Prior to that Rokke had been a GS-13 at nearby Fort McClellan, Alabama and he was terminated for failure to perform during his probationary period in that job. Prior to that, Captain Rokke, US Army Reserve had served 15 months as the liaison officer with a contractor who was developing DU awareness training materials after the Gulf War. Immediately before that, Rokke was a Physical Science Technician at the University of Illinois; he was also a Physical Science Technician at the University before he was activated with the 12th Medical Detachment in November 1990. I have about half of Rokke’s military records. I have his University of Illinois employment records. I even have the record of his very short service as a Criminal Evidence Technician with the Joliet Police Department (Rokke sometimes claims to be a forensic scientist) – Rokke lasted less than six months in the job and he is a “forensic scientist” – come on now. No, I have no respect for a man who swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States who gives aid and comfort to the enemy. Rokke should be put on active duty and court martialed for doing just that. Far as how did I find your post; I have Google Alerts and my computer finally behaved and logged into the net this evening. Now, it is time for me to go to bed.
I see you are being blocked from the Power Hour Rokke special – David Von Kleist – Von Kleist is a special individual; he is a Neo Nazi – he was the Master of Ceremonies of this little event and he introduced the star of his little video Beyond Treason Douglas Lind Rokke at this event too. Do read this all the way down and if you have any Jewish friends, let them know that you deny that the Holocaust ever happened. Edward R Murrow’s broadcast from Buchenwald is on KGO Radio – the John Rothman program last night. President Obama’s Uncle helped liberate Buchenwald. Those men who stormed Normandy’s beaches 65 years ago yesterday and were still streaming ashore today and for weeks to come fought the Nazis and Rokke speaks at a Neo Nazi conference.
Neo Nazi American Free Press/The Barnes Review convention http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com
Good night.
EDITOR: This post was for some reason in my spam que. it was submitted on Jun 7, 2009 @ 12:01. I have made no attempt to prevent it’s publication. End of editors note.
Read about Busby at RADSAFE and learn how little respect he has in the radiation protection professional community. Busby is a self-aggrandizing individual who names himself something important – other than that, he should be insignificant. Were it not for all the people like Fisk who hated Bush, DU never would have become anything. I hated Bush too, but not enough to lie about DU and make it out to be something that it was not. It is not fallout; I was taught about fallout, so I knew that it was not fallout.
Dan Fahey, now President of Veterans for Common Sense wrote this about Busby in 2006 – it is posted in the public RADSAFE archives –
Click to access Busby-EBAB-Review-2-06-0001.pdf
26 February 2006
From: Dan Fahey; Berkeley, California, USA; duweapons@hotmail.com
To: Editor; European Biology and Bioelectromagnetics; editor@ebab.eu.com
Subj: Peer Review of Chris Busby and Saoirse Morgan, “Did the use of Uranium weapons in
Gulf War 2 result in contamination of Europe? Evidence from the measurements of the Atomic
Weapons Establishment, Aldermaston, Berkshire, UK.”
Please accept the following unsolicited comments on the paper by Busby and Morgan you are
considering for publication. The page numbers I reference refer to the version of their report
found at http://www.llrc.org/du/subtopic/aldermastonrept.htm.
The Busby and Morgan paper is not ready for publication in its current form. The paper has
three major flaws that need to be addressed:
1. The authors do not provide any evidence to support their claim that the US military uses
natural uranium in weaponry, or that weaponry containing natural uranium was used
during March-April 2003 in Iraq.
2. The authors do not provide sufficient evidence showing that air flows in March-April
2003 could have transported natural uranium from Iraq to England.
3. The authors do not consider any alternative explanations for the finding of natural
uranium in air filters in Berkshire.
These problems effectively invalidate Busby and Morgan’s conclusions that in March 2003 the
U.S. military used bombs and missiles containing natural uranium; that natural uranium then
traveled in air flows from Iraq to Berkshire, England; and that people in Berkshire each inhaled
tens of millions of natural uranium particles.
1. No evidence of natural uranium in weaponry. The core problem here is that the Berkshire air
filters contained natural uranium (U) and not depleted uranium (DU). The authors conflate the
confirmed use of DU ammunition with the unconfirmed use of U in weaponry. Without citing a
source, the authors state that “…it is now universally conceded that a significant amount of
uranium weapons were used in the bombing and anti tank warfare…” (p. 9). While it would be
useful here for the authors to clarify the terms “universally conceded” and “significant amount,”
the authors also need to provide evidence that natural uranium is used in weaponry in addition to
or instead of depleted uranium. The U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) has confirmed and
vigorously defended its use of DU munitions in Iraq, but in 2004 it denied that “uranium of any
type” is in any “guided bombs or cruise missiles” used by U.S. forces in Iraq or Afghanistan (1).
Nowhere in the paper do the authors acknowledge this denial or present any evidence to refute it.
Busby and Morgan need to document the use of weapons containing natural uranium during
March-April 2003 in Iraq and explain why DoD has acknowledged using DU ammunition but
denied using U in missiles or bombs.
2. Insufficient wind information. The authors claim that “winds in Baghdad where most of the
main bombing occurred were south or southwesterly, sending any material northwards” (p. 11),
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but copious satellite imagery shows that winds in late-March and early-April 2003 in Iraq were westerly and northerly, blowing air to the east and south (3); Busby and Morgan should explain this discrepancy. The authors interpret weather maps as showing a “significant potential airflow” from northwestern Africa to northwestern Europe (pp. 11-14), but they do not provide sufficient information showing potential or actual airflows from Iraq to northwestern Africa or from Iraq via other routes to England. In addition, the authors do not provide any information about the size of the natural uranium particles found in the air filters in Berkshire; therefore their claim that “each person in the area inhaled some 23 million uranium particles of diameter 0.25 microns” (p. 2) is groundless.
3. No Alternative Explanations Considered. The authors have identified a potentially important public health issue; namely the finding of elevated levels of natural uranium in March-April 2003 in air filters that are within 13 km (8 mi) of the UK Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) at Aldermaston in Berkshire, England (pp. 4-9). Busby and Morgan note that these air filters were specifically constructed to monitor for radioactivity and uranium released from the AWE nuclear site (p. 4). However, the authors assert that the U found in the Berkshire filters did not come from the nearby AWE site: Busby and Morgan claim the natural uranium came from Iraq (p. 9). Why is the natural uranium found in the air filters in Berkshire more likely to have originated 4,100 km (2,500 mi) away in Iraq than to have drifted 13 km (8 mi) from the AWE nuclear weapons site? Busby and Morgan do not answer this essential question.
Moreover, the authors do not mention or discuss any potential source for the U in the air filters other than the war in Iraq. Here the authors use correlation (finding of U in England at the same time as the invasion of Iraq) to incorrectly infer causation (the only possible reason for U found in England is the war in Iraq). Busby and Morgan do not consider even one other explanation for the finding of U in Berkshire air filters, such as uranium mining in Africa (2); this omission undermines the integrity of their case.
Finally, the authors do not explain why no DU was found in the air filters in Berkshire. The US and UK militaries have confirmed that they used DU ammunition in March-April 2003 in Iraq. If the supposed simultaneous use of weapons containing natural uranium produced oxides that traveled to England, why did the confirmed use of DU munitions not also produce particles that traveled in the same air flows from battlefields in Iraq to the English countryside?
Conclusion
Busby and Morgan report an interesting finding, but they do not support their explanation of the cause of this finding with either credible or sufficient evidence. I am sure you will agree that this paper requires significant changes and fact checking before it is considered salient, credible, and worthy of publication. ■
(1) See “U.S. DOD: no uranium contained in guided bombs and cruise missiles used in Iraq and Afghanistan,” http://www.wise-uranium.org/dissgw.html.
(2) See “Depleted uranium dust from 2003 Gulf War in Berkshire?” http://www.wise-uranium.org/dissgw.html#AWEDUST.
(3) See “Iraq Oil Fire Smoke—March 2003,” http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/imint/iraqi-freedom-smoke.htm; UNEP reports on Iraq, http://postconflict.unep.ch/publications.htm; “NOAA Satellite Captures Hot Spots in Baghdad,” http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s1117.htm; “Oil Fires in Iraq – Close-up of Baghdad,” http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/0321iraq.html#23; and U.S. National Climatic Data Center, “Hazards/Climate Extremes,” http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2003/mar/hazards.html#Extratropic.
Ever stop to think that there are a lot of clever liars” – Yes. most of them work for western and Israyhelli governments.
while Saddam has NOTHING to do with this post. Iraq does reveal it’s fair share of liars, prominent ones at that, yet sadly, liars you don’t seem to give any importance to.
Here’s just a small selection of liars:
“his tanks got destroyed” yes after a liar – the US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie, gave saddam the green light to go into Kuwait
And another liar “Nayirah”, (who just happened to be the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US) lied to the US Congress committee (fake tears included) about babies being thrown from incubators shortly before the US vote for war.
“I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital,” she lied. “While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where . . . babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die.” Lying scumbag daughter to the Kuwaiti Ambassador in the US, “Nayirah”.
More lies followed when GH BuSh called the El-Amiriyyah bunker a legitimate military target after he bombed 400 civilians hiding in a bunker. After declaring that, he left early for a holiday weekend according to the Guardian 15th Feb 1991.
We then have the lies about the highway of death (if you were lucky to catch a rare snippet of news about it on the pro-Zionist Corporate media) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NCLfhmWvJ8
Then, 12 years of lies about dual use: medicines, hospital equipment, sanitation equipment and so forth, couple with the lies that British and US aircraft were ‘illuminated’ with Iraqi radar so RAF pilots bombed sheep, sorry, ‘iraqi radar posts’
Albrights the deaths of 1/2 a millions Iraqi children was a price worth paying.
Then the lie that Saddam was hiding WMD (sold to him by Donald Rumsfeld etc). Scott Ritter revealed that his superiors declared the few remaining ‘unaccounted missiles’
We had the lies of the BBC that said Saddam tested nuclear bombs.
We had the lies of Colin Powell at the UNSC.
We had the lies of bLiar.Campbell, Dearlove, Lard Goldsmith, Scarlett, the lies about 45 minutes.
The lies about Niger Yellowcake forgeries probably made in Italy.
The lies pimped by MP tom Levitt about how great iraq was doing about a yer into the war.
The billion $ lies filed by Haliburton about ‘reconstruction’
The lies about Abu Graib
The lies about the Samarrah mosque bombing.
The lies about the two SAS operatives dressed as arabs in Basrah.
The lies about Hadita, Fallujah.
The lies (elaborate documents miraculously recoverded from the burning Iraqi oil ministry) about Galloway being on the payroll of Saddam. Documents I have seen pictures of. Very intricately done.
We have the lies Saddam was developing a nuclear weapon.
We had lies Saddam was linked to Al-Queda.
Lies that Rumsfeld knew were the WMD were.
So yes, I’ve often thought there are a lot of liars, but I wouldn’t call them clever, murderous, ruthless and devious perhaps.
And how could I forget the lies of the British govt and the Supergun affair. Which ended in the assassination of Gerald Bull.
And the lies involving the death of Dr. David Kelly.
You’ve given me a lot to consider and I do intend to check it out.
However your lies that “if you have any Jewish friends, let them know that you deny that the Holocaust ever happened.” I won’t check out.
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I feel like adding these extracts from the UK paper “The Independent” dated 14th Feb 1991…
“As night fell… smoke still rose from the rubble, and about 5000 people… crowded the scene, looking for relatives and friends, as men beat on their chests… women cried hysterically. Foreign journalists were allowed to inspect the site… No evidence of any military presence could be seen inside the wreckage…. Witnesses said the entrance to the shelter took direct hits from at least two missiles fired by allied warplanes at 4am [Baghdad time]. They said the first missile or bomb jammed the only escape route. The second strike, moments later, penetrated the 9ft-thick concrete roof and exploded inside the windowless shelter… Odnar Adnan, 17, said he was the only one in his family to escape alive; his three younger sisters, mother and father all died. He said “I was sleeping and suddenly I felt heat and\the blanket was burning. Moments later, I felt I was suffocating. I turned to try and touch my mother who was next to me but grabbed nothing but a piece of flesh”.
“The White House spokesman, Marlin Fitzwalter, said, “Saddam does not share our value in the value of human life” He had “time and again… shown a willingness to sacrifice civilian lives and property to further his war aims.”
Now call be what you will, there’s just something about GH BuSh’s bombing of El-Amiriyyahall that just makes me hate with every atom of my being, the liars who do such things and those who lie on their behalf.
Getting back to THE POINT of this post, that Israyhelli illegal bombing of Syria is a likely cause of the supposed uranium the BBC says, virtually nothing of what you say counters this.
I will take seps to contact Prof(as he has been addressed) Rokke (or Rokke as you prefer) to discuss these issues with him.
I will also try and disucss these matters with Dr. Chris Busby.
Speaking of NAZIS…!
MEET Her’ Roger Helbig
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Helbig
http://www.google.com/search?q=joachim+helbig&hl=en&prmd=ivnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iq3PTfruHNPAgQf51JzLDA&ved=0CCMQsAQ&biw=834&bih=541
So, we heard about a little mention here of a NeoNazi claim and find this interesting tidbit about Mr. Helbig’s own ancestry and heraldry IN GERMANY! Often, the liars are the conspirators and believe that if the lies get told enough times then they seem to become the truth. [KEY WORDS _ “seem to become”] That’s a tactic DIRECTLY out of the WWII Goebbles German Propaganda handbook for NAZI’s. We’ve often seen Her’ Roger Helbig make and use these same tactics in attacking the “person” and not addressing anything of substance. Or better a tactic yet, speak about someone and say something that actually applies to oneself – loathing and or misdeeds… it’s an amazing tactic! It’s interesting also to read the rhetoric that he repeatedly uses. Same-O over and again. Helbig leaves no references or citations of any value himself to refute scientific evidence he cajoles. He attacks a person’s “education” (he has none himself of course to compare), work history (ditto in any battlefield setting and he even less than that of the people he’s always criticizing or condemning, “guilt by association” (to anyone or anything) is another one that Her’ Helbig often uses and then he only uses diminutives, minimization of someone else’s work/study, attempts at discrediting on a slim veil of something suspicious like accepting invitations to speaking events or travel (there is “no profit”) from speaking at a “non-profit” gathering where the public is interested or entitled to ANY scientific opinion they may seek. Suggesting otherwise are merely suppression tactics — of free speech that is!
The greater suspicion is now directly at Mr. Roger Helbig’s feet. It seems that he’s taken on an old family tradition in spreading and dropping “surrender leaflets” that are falling everywhere from the sky and saying nasty things about people that we should perhaps be paying very close attention to what they are saying and disregard this other “noisy chatter” from the Propaganda Meister himself, Her’ Helbig.
Seig Heil 2 ROGER HELBIG’s Family tree (including an Air Force history lesson on recruiting Helbig or at least a little something to be said about background checks!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Helbig
http://www.google.com/search?q=joachim+helbig&hl=en&prmd=ivnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iq3PTfruHNPAgQf51JzLDA&ved=0CCMQsAQ&biw=834&bih=541
Signed,
GeneralTired
While there was a now deceased Oberst Joachim Helbig in the WW-II Luftwaffe, my family settled in the Cincinnati, Ohio area before the Civil War and both my Father and my Uncles served in the United States Army in World War II. I like people who are too cowardly to sign their own names and I wonder if they are just pseudonymns for people like Rokke or Busby, both of whom are quite disreputable. Rokke spoke at a Neo Nazi event and the producer of the video Beyond Treason David von Kleist was the master of ceremonies at that event. Anyone can see that for themselves at Neo Nazi American Free Press/The Barnes Review convention http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com
Anyone who wants to write me and learn the facts instead of being baffled by rather nasty BS, you can do so at DUStory-owner@yahoogroups.com
Generaltired@aol.com is non-existent e-mail address, so you other readers know that this man (if he really is one?) does not have the courage to sign his own name to slanderous garbage.
Roger. You just plain wrong when you say “Rokke or Busby, both of whom are quite disreputable.” And I’ve seen the “Nazi event” slurs that you’ve trying here, done many times before. They probably condemned Israyhell’s killing of over 400 children in thie 2008/2009 killing orgy on Gaza or they have discussed the growingly successful Boycott Divestment and Sanctions campaign against the imposter of Biblical Israel which unlike this Israyhell was adherent to Gods creed (for a time at least).
You complain about ‘slanderous garbage’. Given what you’ve said in almost every comment, your complaint is kinda rich really.
SPEAKING OF WHAT ACTUAL “MEN” do..
Re: Her’ Roger Helbig
Funny thing? Her’ Roger Helbig, (Lt. Col., (Retired), Lufftwaffen) can be easily be found around the web as variously attribututing himself and his lineage to California, New York and now Ohio? …when it’s easily seen who’s family actually goes back to that certain timeframe and location in Germany!
Seems just like what Dr. Joseph Goebbles would do for his propaganda. Lie, accuse the innocent, tell more lies, turn around fact-to-fit, reverse the accusations, repeat (Manchurian Mao stuff thrown in his repetition drip-drip tactic too!) Don’t forget the return (different than above; new, ascending–acclerating claims) accusations. “Not a man.” “Sign your name.” FYI psst-It’s NOT about who’s writing this BTW, he, she or it. It’s about what’s being said and truly exposing Her’ Helbig’s tactics all across the web and his true familial background and nefarious deeds that seem to ire this snake-oil swazsticka salesman. Some have even called his deeds ‘war crimes’..that Her’ Helbig has been involved in all across the web along with the black slanders against those actual scientists with credentails far beyond Her’ Helbig’s and on subjects way outside of his realm of any possible expertise or even level of understanding.
PLUS there’s that Lufftwaffen thing shadowing him! Military records show that this Her’ Helbig was not able to actually drop leaflets of some un-democratic propaganda nature from the air on some un-suspecting country or their people as his eyesight precluded him from active flight status. It appears as if he HAS spent his time on the ground (or just underneath it) conducting plotting, planning, scheming sessions and the kind. Just like the you know who propogandist from above that didn’t actually see any battle themselves either.
GenerallyTired of the BS