Red(der) Dawn

Those of us old enough, will probably remember when Video hit the big time. Perhaps you can recall a wee bit of excitement at looking a labarynth of video covers – and a different kind of excitement when your eyes happened to see one of the ‘sexy ones’ which nobody was ever brave enough to pick up- unless of course, the isle was empty, sometimes prompting a deliberate pretend-calm-walk-back into a now evacuated isle – only to hastily return it back on the shelf when the some unwanted person entered the isle, trying to force you out so he could look at the ‘sexy’ video. Besides, when galking at the box, a strange kind of “regret” occured, in that you realised you’d never really be able to put the video case on the service counter – advertising our intentions, to a would-be disapproving ans scowling and also slightly embarassed clark.

Or was that just me?

Anyway, the age of chewed, snarled, frilled-edge and God forbid snapped! video, is pretty much dead now, but those memories of that kind of  fascination persist and I guess recycle themselves onto those who go to shops to rent out a DVD, Only difference is… you don’t have to go out to get those ‘sexy’ vids!

The Video age was of course a benchmark in the course of ‘human progress’. That is, if your mother tongue is Newspeak.

Anyway, what ‘inspired’ this post? It stems from one of my trivial persuits: watching movies. I know it’s a sad waste of life-force. I (ridiculously) justify it by saying “other people watch TV, I watch movies!” as if that wasted lifeforce is no longer an issue. It’s a bit like these women who call for ‘equality’ with men, which seems to mean women want the ‘right’ to be as bad as men.

So, I was wondering if there were some good movies that came out earlier this year which might make a good viewing. Browsing this site, I found this…

Now you can probably see the nostalgia trip. Red Dawn, Like Rambo (and Electric Blue) was one of those Videos that almost every Video Shop had plus, I admit, being an ingornat young person who believed all the Western propaganda, I liked the movie.

Here’s a still:

and here’s a clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2LG-ASco6o

The School shooting scene in turn made me think of this…

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Source: http://informationliberation.com/?id=29929

The media waits: four months on and still no official Nato press release on the existence of Special Forces Death Squads

The Anti-Press

This past week’s Wikileaks release of footage showing the deaths of more than a dozen Iraqis in the summer of 2007 has generated a great deal of desperately needed public dialogue in regard to the reality of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as opposed to the perception of the wars presented to us by the corporate media.
media reports began filtering out of Afghanistan’s Kunar province regarding the deaths of 10 civilians, including eight schoolchildren, as a result of “Western military operations”. Initially, NATO’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) “had no information on any operations or casualties in Kunar”. However, a unnamed “senior Western military official” stated “that US special forces have been conducting operations against militants in the border regions of Kunar”. These units had been operating “independently of NATO and coalition forces” and “killing a lot of Taliban and capturing a lot of Taliban”.President Karzai’s website: “a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took ten people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and ten, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead”.the dead were all part of an Afghan terrorist cell responsible for manufacturing improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which have claimed the lives of countless soldiers and civilians.” According to a senior Nato insider “[t]his was a joint operation that was conducted against an IED cell that Afghan and US officials had been developing information against for some time.”Sydney Morning Herald included more reactions by NATO officials in response to the reports of the Afghan investigators: “The evidence we have is that there were no civilian casualties… all the people who are claimed to be dead were all fighting-age males.” The same senior officer noted that the international units involved in the incident were with US Special Forces… and did not involve NATO troops.according to NATO, came under fire as they approached the village.said none of the dead were ‘innocents’ but were armed and had been shooting at the troops – US and Afghan commandos – as they entered the district.”ISAF noted that “several assault rifles, ammunition, and ammonium nitrate used in bomb-making” were found in the village. It is notable that no mention of bomb making components has ever been mentioned. AK-47s are commonly owned by Afghans, and ammonium nitrate, a fertilizer, would not be uncommon in a remote farming community. In fact, a bill to outlaw ammonium nitrate was only passed by the Afghan government at the end of January.the report from President Karzai’s Security Council: “International forces entered the area and killed ten youths, eight of them school students inside two rooms in a house, without encountering any armed resistance.” spoke to a number of village residents days after the incident, including the school’s headmaster, Rahman Jan Ehsas:said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot.”stated that “we’ve already talked to President Karzai and he’s agreed to a joint investigation” by an impartial panel.Western sources close to the case now agree that the victims were all aged 12 to 18 and were not involved in insurgent activity.”On the night of the raid, Taleb came to the door of his room and was immediately ordered back inside by soldiers wearing night-vision goggles. “It was dark. I couldn’t see them, but they could see me.”As soon as the troops left, Sefatullah ran to his mother’s room and she cut the plastic cuffs that had bound his hands behind his back. “Then they went into one of the rooms, where six people had been sleeping,” Farooq said. “It was dark and my wife walked on her son’s dead body. Then they brought a hurricane lamp.”“incidents such as this do not reflect any conduct that Isaf [regular Nato troops] would condone and it is not the way Isaf trains any of our Afghan partners.”now rescinded). Based on the ISAF release, CNN reported that the bodies of two men and two women were discovered at a compound by a joint operation of Afghan and Nato led forces. “The bodies of the two women were bound and gagged, and the U.S. official said the people were shot “execution-style”.very different version of the events that occurred that evening.now rescinded). In the release, ISAF rejects Starkey’s report of a coverup – although they fail to back this up in any coherent way, and they go on to accuse Starkey of inaccuracies. ISAF first claimed to have a recording of Starkey’s interview with one of their officers to back up their claim of a misquote. Later, when Starkey requested to listen to the recording – they ignored him. When he pressed them – they informed him that there had been a misunderstanding, there was no recording – they had taken notes.still claimed that the women had been killed before the firefight.detailed information he had received from Afghan investigators and witnesses at the scene who reported that “US special forces soldiers dug bullets out of their victims’ bodies in the bloody aftermath of a botched night raid, then washed the wounds with alcohol before lying to their superiors about what happened.”a release outlining the results of their investigation into the incident which had determined that:reiterated their findings of “evidence of tampering at the scene by the patrol members” and added that “[i]n the end, NATO accepted our findings, and Gen. McChrystal agreed with the conclusions of our team.” McChrystal’s spokesperson, Lt. Col. Todd Breasseale has stated that McChrystal had been briefed by Afghan officials in “late march” – prior to the conclusion of the ISAF investigation announced on April 4.Media-Lens has provided some excellent reports on the media’s lack of coverage of the Ghazi Khan incident. A BBC response to criticism by Media-Lens and its readers regarding the Corporations nearly non-existent coverage of the events at Ghazi-Khan included the following:“It’s worth noting that the circumstances of the incident are disputed, unlike some previous examples of civilians killed by coalition forces. The Afghan government and the UN believe that civilians were killed as the result of the US operation in Kunar. NATO still does not accept this and strongly argues that US forces killed insurgents.” (Email from BBC complaints to Media Lens reader, February 19, 2010)The Anti Press is dedicated to the defence of the truth in an age of media control.

For more than three months, another story has been unravelling, the implications of which are far more startling than the information uncovered by Wikileaks. True to form – the corporate media’s coverage of this event has an inverse relationship to its apparent gravity, meaning the coverage has been about zero.

Since the last days of December, the details of this event have been coming into focus – and the emerging image strongly suggests that coalition death-squads have been operating in Afghanistan.

Specific to this case, a group of Special Operations Forces landed outside a village in the middle of the night after receiving reports from informants that improvised explosive devices (IEDs) were being manufactured there. After finding what appeared to be two groups of unarmed fighting age males sleeping in two rooms – the reports indicate that the force summarily executed all of them using silenced weapons. Unfortunately, it appears that the Special Ops team had not entered the sleeping quarters of an IED cell, but the dormitory of a private school for boys.

On December 27,

After receiving word of the incident, Afghan President Karzai immediately dispatched a team of government investigators to Ghazi Kahn village, the site of the alleged events. The findings of the investigators were posted on

In response, the ISAF declared that “

Another early report from the

ISAF spokesman US Colonel Wayne Shanks indicated that the military operation involved had been a “joint operation” between Afghan and foreign forces – which,

Capt Joe Sanfilippo, a US soldier in Asadabad, Kunar’s capital “

“These people were shooting back at us and we had to shoot back otherwise … we would have been injured.”

Both Sanfilippo and

Early reports out of the remote mountain village were predictably sparse in the days following the incident – but most statements relayed from village witnesses echoed

Jerome Starkey of the Times of London

“A student and one guest were in another room, a guest room, and a farmer was asleep with his wife in a third building.” “First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them. Abdul Khaliq [the farmer] heard shooting and came outside. When they saw him they shot him as well.”

“A local elder, Jan Mohammed,

Responding to President Karzai’s statements, Rear Adm. Gregory J. Smith, the director of communication for NATO and United States forces in Afghanistan

After the New Year, these were virtually the final words on the incident at Ghazi Khan by NATO and the corporate media. No additional information regarding the details of the investigation, nor whether or not an investigation was even underway were released by military authorities.
// //
The silence was broken on February 25 when two reports were released by Jerome Starkey: “

Nato sources say that the raid should never have been authorised. “Knowing what we know now, it would probably not have been a justifiable attack,” an official in Kabul told The Times. “We don’t now believe that we busted a major ring.”

Nato’s statement, issued four days after the event, said that troops were attacked “from several buildings” as they entered the village. Yesterday it said that “ultimately, we did determine this to be a civilian casualty incident”.

Starkey also reported on the results of his effort to bring two village elders to Kabul for interviews.

Taleb Abdul Ajan, 50, was present in the Village at the time of the raid: he “woke to the sound of dogs barking. Then he heard boots crunching on gravel and men’s voices outside his bedroom. ‘Their guns killed without a sound,’ he said.”

Taleb’s brother, Farooq, 48, relayed to Starkey that his son, Sefatullah, 19, has reported that he “was handcuffed, searched and marched around the family’s mountain compound by men he believes were Americans”. “They took Sefatullah to each room and asked him who was sleeping inside… but they didn’t show him inside. He didn’t know they were dead. He told them, ‘My brothers, my cousins, they are students’. The Americans were writing down the names and their classes.”

They found Taleb’s son, Rahimullah, 17, and a boy called Samar Gul, 12, dead in a guest room. Taleb said that Samar Gul was staying overnight because he needed some wheat milled and Taleb’s family own the local mill.

“He was afraid to stay on his own so Rahimullah slept in the room with him.”

Next, Taleb said, the soldiers burst into the room of his half-brother, Najibullah, 18. According to his widow, Hassina, they dragged him out of bed and searched his belongings. “All they found were books,” Taleb said. The family discovered Najibullah’s body slumped together with Farooq’s son Sebhanullah, 17, and two of Taleb’s sons, Matiullah, 16, and Attahullah, 15, in a room that led on to a second bedroom.

In the second room they found Farooq and Taleb’s half-brother Samiullah, 12, Farooq’s son Atiqullah, 15, and a nephew, Ismael, 12. All of them had been shot.

The tenth victim was a farmer, Abdul Khaliq, 18, who was shot when he ran out of a nearby house, Taleb said.

After the soldiers shot the boys they took photographs of their bloodied faces. Farooq said his daughter heard a man curse their informant in the local language, using an expression that implied that the soldiers realised they had been fed bad information.

It is notable that NATO, now retracting their earlier identification of the victims as members of a bomb making cell, also appears to be distancing itself from the event – despite the level of information it was providing about the incident in December:

And while NATO is now willing to deny their involvement, as well as apparently willing to condemn the actions of the units as inconsistent with their rules of conduct – nobody is currently willing to identify which organization or units actually carried out the actions, despite the level of detail previously provided by military information officers: “US forces based in Kunar have denied any knowledge of the raid.. [o]fficials in Kabul confirmed that ‘US forces’ were present but refused to say if they were military or civilian.”

It is difficult to reconcile the testimony of the villagers, all of which has been remarkably consistent, and none of which provides an account of any gunfire, with that of nameless, faceless personnel that the coalition refuses to identify, much less bring forward for the purpose of clarifying the events that took place that morning.

Most of the information uncovered regarding this story, and the direct witness statements of the villagers has come as a result of the work of Jerome Starkey. His work is inspirational for many reasons, including the fact that he manages to be a real investigative-journalist at a time when it seemed all but certain that every last one of them was extinct. On top of that, he works on behalf of the Times of London – a publication that is owned by Rupert Murdoch’s Newscorp. In this case, credit needs to be given where it’s due – and the Times is publishing serious and valuable journalism in Starkey’s work.

Subsequent to the events at Ghazi Khan, Starkey is primarily responsible for uncovering a similar incident that occurred in the village of Khataba in eastern Afghanistan on February 12. While this particular incident has received a relatively higher level of coverage, it has still largely been ignored in the headlines and news feeds of the corporate media. An examination of these events as they unfolded can also prove to be of assistance to those who are attempting to determine the level of credibility that should be accorded to the various military information offices working in Afghanistan.

The Khataba incident unfolded as follows:

On February 12, ISAF issued a press release entitled: Joint Force Operating in Gardez Makes Gruesome Discovery (

“The U.S. official said it isn’t clear whether the dishonor in this case stemmed from accusations of acts such as adultery or even cooperating with NATO forces.” “It has the earmarks of a traditional honor killing,” said the official, who added the Taliban could be responsible.

“The operation unfolded when Afghan and international forces went to the compound, which was thought to be a site of militant activity. A firefight ensued and several insurgents died, several people left the compound, and eight others were detained.”

One month later, on March 13, after contacting “[m]ore than a dozen survivors, officials, police chiefs and a religious leader… at and around the scene of the attack”, Starkey and the Times published an article which gave a

According to Starkey, coalition special forces entered the compound of a residence that was owned by a policeman, Commander Dawood, 43. He was “a long-serving, popular and highly-trained policeman who had recently been promoted to head of intelligence in one of Paktia’s most volatile districts.”

“His brother, Saranwal Zahir, was a prosecutor in Ahmadabad district.

“That particular evening, Dawood was hosting a gathering to celebrate the naming of a newborn baby. One of the musicians went outside to use the facilities, when somebody shone a light in his face – he ran back inside yelling “Taliban”.Commander Dawood was the first to go outside, his 15 year old son was at his side. They were shot from a rooftop as they ran across the courtyard – Dawood was killed, his son survived. Shortly afterwards, Dawoods brother Zahir is reported to have stepped forward, yelling in English “don’t fire, we work for the Government”, and at the same moment, he was shot. As he fell to the ground, two pregnant women, and a teenage girl standing behind him were hit – all four were killed.

Based on information obtained by individuals who were attending the gathering, and who were subsequently detained for questioning – the coalition force was looking for an individual by the name of Shamsuddin. Shamsuddin was at the compound that evening – but the coalition forces failed to apprehend him. He turned himself in days later – and was released without charge.

While it’s not clear from the Times’ articles if witnesses reported whether or not Dawood or Zahir were armed (ISAF claims that they were), they did report that no shots were fired beyond those of the coalition forces – contradicting ISAF’s assertions of a firefight.

On March 13, ISAF issued a news release entitled ISAF Rejects Coverup Allegation (

ISAF now claimed that, as a result of their investigation that had “taken weeks” to conduct, they had determined that the women had not been victims of an honour killing, but that their bodies had simply been prepared for burial – however, they

On April 5, Starkey

A day earlier, ISAF had issued

“[I]nternational forces were responsible for the deaths of three women”.

The two men “were shot and killed by the joint patrol after they showed what appeared to be hostile intent by being armed.”

“[T]he releases issued shortly after the operation were based on a lack of cultural understanding by the joint force and the chain of command. The statement noted the women had been bound and gagged, but this information was taken from an initial report by the international members of the joint force who were not familiar with Islamic burial customs.”

The release failed to provide any information that would explain how the “members of the joint force” would confuse the bodies of women they killed, as well as those of two men they killed, with bodies that had been murdered in a separate honour killing. Also missing from the release was any explanation regarding the origin of the initial statements regarding the “several insurgents” that died in the “firefight” – as well as any reference to the allegations of evidence tampering that was made by Afghan investigators.

On April 7, Mirza Mohammad Yarmand of the Afghan Ministry of Interior investigation

Breasseale has indicated that McChrystal has now “ordered [a] subsequent investigation in order to reconcile certain aspects between the two investigations.” As is the case with the promised joint investigation of the events at Ghazi Khan – it is not clear when, or even if the results of this investigation will be revealed.

A UK based organization,

This statement was made by BBC on February 19, six days prior to NATO’s admission that the boys it killed were not insurgents. To date – no significant coverage has been produced by the BBC or any other network news outlets for the purpose of uncovering the events that occurred in Ghazi Khan on December 27.

And so the BBC, and virtually all other major news organizations wait. Although it is clear that the military information officers are now providing completely unreliable, and almost certainly fabricated information as a matter of course, these organizations no longer see it as their job to challenge them. No attempts to contact witnesses, no pressing Afghan officials, no stories designed to embarrass military and political officials into action.

One wonders if those who work in these organizations can even see the reality of who they have become in relation to the myth of the fourth estate: simple administrators of information, waiting for the next scoop to be served to them in the air conditioned briefing rooms of Washington, London, Baghdad or Kabul.
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I’ve blogged about this horror before. Barack Obama – Leader of the Ghazi Kang massacre

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and it also reminded me of this… The Collateral damage (or collateral murder video)

(you may need to log into YouTube / make a YouTube account to see it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNJm35V2_0

UPDATE (10/Oct/2010): “Iraq War Veteran Who Rescued Wounded Children in 2007 Apache Attack Describes Emotional Toll of Witnessing Infamous Killings” On Democracy Now 7th October 2010

youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMlmSoNYBS8&NR=1

Yeah, Human progress…. Widespread porn, widespread war, widespread lies, widespread poverty, widespread hunger, widespread injustice, widesprtead Zionism, widespread utter idiocy in the UK looking ‘forward’ to an election that will change absolutely NOTHING, other than to make the voters of these disgraceful political parties guilty of the crimes those said parties WILL commit. And many of these voters had the nerve to moan about the polynomial evil nature of the dreadful NeoConNaziZionst governments. Some people have no shame?

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7 Responses to “Red(der) Dawn”


  1. 1 Bill Abong April 17, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Slightly off the subject perhaps, but a plea for you to think about the ethics of buying wetsuits. Do try and consider, for example, the materials the item is manufactured from, the conditions of the employees where they’re manufactured and the ethics of retailers. And endeavour to recycle rather than discarding. Thanks!!!!

  2. 2 lwtc247 April 18, 2010 at 7:19 am

    Aaah. Spam. I’ll delete this when the comedy aspect of it has ended.

  3. 3 Anonymous May 4, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Hey, what’s wrong with porn (provided it involves consenting adults only)? :p

    On a more serious note, sadly our tribal nature shows its worst during war. I can almost picture the neanderthal chest-beating in response to a British sniper breaking a distance record for rifle shooting in Afghanistan… (nevermind that it’s a 1000th of the range of Bilderberg and co’s space weaponry)

  4. 4 lwtc247 May 5, 2010 at 4:11 am

    You may have said that in jest, but it’s a good opportunity for me to discuss it.

    It’s sinful in a religious sense, it leads to the exploitation of women (and to a degree men) it lowers respect for women, It ultimately takes away from a better society, a step along the slippery slope if you will. The sexual gratification / catharsis it’s used for, is in opposition to our real better selves; if there is nothing wrong with it, why do we care so much about not letting those people we love and respect see that we view/use porn. Would you watch porn in front of your parents or children? View porn in a public place with loads of people passing by. We don’t because we know we have to consider and pander to the role/function of society. Really, we know it’s wrong. Asking what’s wrong with it is simply the selfish sexual-self obscuring all rationality – sexual feelings/urges can negate moral consciousness. But porn/sex and wealth are the greatest corrupters of man.

    Re: War/savagery, yeah, remember that british “forces” guy recording when some Brits rounded up Iraqi boys and started beating the crap out of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jlbAEl_dRg

  5. 5 Anonymous May 5, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Do you suggest banning it? Perhaps some people are incapable of distinguishing it from how to deal with women in real life but
    I’d imagine that is why it gets an 18 rating…

    These “for the greater good” statements justify collectivism and that is a slippery road we are too far down.

    Some people use things to excess, indeed. I could make the same statement about a lot of items that exist in nature, such as tobacco leaves.

    Depends on the situation doesn’t it?

    Might be a tad difficult as I haven’t had contact with them for some time. You do realise I used the word consenting for good reason right?

    They aren’t consenting adults so no. On the other hand, I’d be prepared to discuss related issues with them.

    No, as I respect other people’s space. They didn’t ask me to put it up there did they?

    I don’t want to go from one type of collectivism to another. The “role” of society at large is beyond the scope of a question about porn though.

    You claim to speak for everyone? Even I haven’t said that.

    Yet it isn’t selfish to impose your own moral standard on people minding their own business? I’m concerned we might get mired in a debate about God\religion here so let me place my cards on the table: I am agnostic. I think Islam has some good aspects to it, like emphasis on the family. However I do not see any one source as the fountain of all wisdom.

    Really? Last time I checked I had a moral compass. I doubt that watching porn is going to erase that.

    Power is. Even then it can be used for good, likewise with wealth.

    Sex allows procreation so I fail to see what your point there is. Excessively, well I would think most of us, unless we do porn for a living, have important things to do that would override that. Porn actors could probably be doing better things, but what consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of my business.

  6. 6 Anonymous May 5, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Oops, your quotes got erased from that post. Never mind.

  7. 7 lwtc247 May 5, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Personally I do think porn should be banned. In the electronic age, and with different sets of morals out there, It would be impossible to eradicate, but hampering access to it as much as possible is something that should be done.

    I’m not accusing people who view/use porn as not having a moral compass, but rater a compass that points in a different direction or has a slightly different sized needle {double entendres not intended}.

    I would argue there are absolute stances of what I’d like to call Abrahamic morality, and Abrahamic faith is the basis of my system of morality (albeit I may fall foul of it sometimes) Porn is one of those issues that comes under absolute stances. Pornography is shameful – you will feel shame if you are seen viewing/using porn in a number of circumstances/situations I mentioned earlier. God prohibits shameful acts. God also prohibits the display of the sexual organs unless (obviously) it’s between a husband and wife. We are told to guard our modesty and to protect our ‘aurat’. Porn goes against that, so concenting adults using porn doesn’t come into it. It’s illigitimate for adults to concent to breaking Gods rulings on this. Porn isn’t about concenting adults doing things behind closed doors as their acts are brought to the attention of others that are outside those closed doors and it’s done simply for the purpose of sexual stimulation.

    Of course a non-believer will not have the God factor, but the shame factor alone and why there are still restrictions on it in certain places should tell us something.

    As for society, I don’t think our actions involving porn, which does impact upon society can be dismissed or detached. Porn has an influence on the kind of society we live in. The Islamic account of Sodom and Gomorrah give interesting glimpses of how a society develops/changes when standards of sexual morality drop (or alter to those people who would reject porn is a lowering of standards)

    “You claim to speak for everyone?” – I’m not sure what you are saying. I don’t think I’ve made that claim. I only claim to speak for me, although I lend support to a number of causes/issues and put forward a number of generally held ideas/values held by various communitites.

    I suppose it is a kind of selfishness to impose my own moral standard on people minding their own business, but for me it’s so interweaved with morality and faith that the selfishness is actually justified. I could argue it’s selfish of porn advocates having porn widely available which sometimes comes into my view. e,g. Google image search or malicious links to blast your browser with porn pages, or images of sex on TV. I remember one Saturday moring on the BBC kids program “Going Live” Pamela Anserson and Tomny Lee we on. Tommy Lee described how he and Anserson got together – it was when Anserson blew him off. Now although not pronographic, is that sexual morality to be welcomed? I don’t welcome porn either. I don’t think my morality can be imposed on you in the privacy of your own domanin, but even what I’d call ‘godless’ countries like the UK still refuse certain levels of what they call ‘indecency’ or ‘lewdness’.

    I would argue that all believers in God NEED to adopt self-prohibition purely from doctrine, and that because of its negative effects, others should adopt such a stance too.

    Re: what I said to prompt your “how to deal with women in real life” reply. Well, the problem is many fold. I read a couple of articles recently by adults for whom porn had had very negative effects. One article was by a female porn ‘acress’ What a sorryful take she revealed. [I’ve got a draught post about porn that I’ll get around to finishing one day – in it is (I think) the link to her story]. Another by a guy who uses porn and he himself can see how it affecs his treatment of women.

    Re: Addiction. It could be argued not everyone would get addicted to porn but I think the chance for addiction to porn is incredibly high, especially amongst the young who really have just entered their own moral mazes. the reason for it addictive properties is that the sexual urge is perhaps one of the most powerful known. It can blank out reason and morality, so I think it is naturally and powerfully addictive.

    You say “Sex allows procreation so I fail to see what your point there is.” But I am not talking about prohibiting sex, only pornography.

    Porn unbalances relationships. And 18 rating has little practical meaning. It doesn’t stop <18 yr olds viewing porn. I remember at about 13 years old I came across my first porn movie given to my friend (a year younger than me) by the driver of a national bus company. At 17-18, I can't remember the exact age, I came across bestiality, which I'm guessing is illegal. I was in shock for about a week – certainly for a minumum of 3 days. Which brings about an interesting Q. I bestiality is illegal why isn't 'human porn'?

    Anyway…

    I appreciate your agnostic stance, even though I may not agree with all aspects of it. As for Islam or the Arbramic faiths not being the wource of all wisdom, I'd loke to know what wisdom has come about independent of monotheism?


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