Iblis didn’t bow to humans – In a sence, I think I can understand why.

That title is horrible, but it gets the point across and I’m too tired and pressed for time to try and think of an alternative. Man is said to have been Gods greatest creation. Iblis refused to bow down before man. Given what I’m feeling about ‘many’ people these days, I can understand why bowing down before man might have been an ‘issue’. Of course I’m not excising Satans defiance of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEtm_Q2LK9g

The other day I was attending a philosophical discourse (actually ‘talk’ with a lot of Q and A – would perhaps be more representative descriptor) examining “Islam (in terms of immigration) in Europe”.

It was a worthwhile use of time, and I was glad to attend it. The good doc posed a number of apparently pushme-pullyou Q’s as one may expect from good philosophers ;) By the way, I wish philosophers would not only ask skilful and quirky Q’s but propose skilful solutions, even if they don’t hold a piece of paper that identifies them as being “qualified” (what ever that means) in political science.

I had the opportunity – rather, I took it – to challenge some of the assumptions I heard. For example the ‘negative’ image of Muslims due to 911 and Madrid etc, I advised caution on these ‘facts’ {not that the speaker was saying they were facts, but I’m pretty sure the audience was taking them to be so}. I pointed out that even if one accepts the 911 stuff, out of the 1 billion + Muslims, only a relative handful are involved in terrorism. Yeah, it’s the kind of thing one would expect to encounter in the first few pages of a “beginners guide to challenging your own perceptions’”, but still, it needed to be said. These ‘givens’ are quite prolific!

Some of what the audience said was slightly surreal and actually agitating, because while most of the Muslims in the ‘audience’ were challenging the basis of the European Islamophobia, many of the Muslims in the audience had inside them the same seeds but whose only difference was these seeds had already germinated in the mind of Europeans to result in their European Islamophobia. One such “seed” is a general acceptance that the Muslims did 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Killing Van Gough* etc. I was the only one to challenge what occurred to me was a “tried ‘n convicted / done ‘n dusted” belief in the official narratives of these violent events.

This is a disease amongst Muslims. They positively lap up accusations of gross crimes of terrorism upon themselves – a bit like the Germans that have been forced to be so guilty of the Jewish holocaust that they stand back once again at the Palestinian Holocaust despite them singing to the orchestrators tune of ‘never again’.

Pah! – but at the same time absolutely incredible that they are happeing today.

A real ‘crunch’ moment was someone said ‘we have to deal with the realities’

Do people actually understand what really means?

I think not!

I think they just blurt out catchphrases in an attempt to appear clever, supermarket philosophy if you will, to be intellectually lazy and avoid perturbing their safety zone.

I tried to inform them. “Whose Reality?” I asked.

You see, once you ‘deal with the reality’ what happens after that is that you have accepted the reality set by others – you become bound to operate within it, complete with its bent and twisted rules. You strip yourself of power. It’s a mugs game, a dereliction of duty to oneself and society. A failure of your own human-ness.

By NOT ‘dealing with the reality’ i.e. grabbing hold of your own destiny and making the reality in defiance of someone else’s dictated reality, I’m not talking about producing chocolate houses in the woods, giant beanstalks or geese that lay golden eggs. I’m talking about the parameters of human society, not a fairytale as a reality.

This world is CRAP because WE, you and me, have allowed it to be CRAP.

The ‘comfort zone’ is incredibly captivating and sticky. It’s also incredibly selfish and dumb.

After I had done my bit, I felt a bit like not much had soaked through their skulls, once again denting the supposed ‘potential’ of today’s humankind.

A couple of days later, I was involved in a workshop of conflict resolution. Two groups were assembled to take an opposing view of some issue. The group I was in was to defend a policy of positive discrimination in favour of an indigenous population against the wealth and educational dominance of an immigrant population. I was supposed to argue this way, but there was an opportunity here to probe people mind about what they think life is all about.

I asked Q’s like by what standard are you saying the indigenous population are ‘left behind’. You see it was the immigrants economics and way of life that was the benchmark. If the indigenous population weren’t forced into that system in the first place but allowed to operate in whatever way THEY saw fit then if they stuck with their traditions, the ‘left behind’ thing becomes a non issue. The people in my group simply couldn’t understand what I was saying. To them it was inconceivable, like I was speaking Martian. They ended up trying to ‘explain it to me’ as if I was dumb (which I may well be, but I wasn’t dumb in this case!) and that it was ME that simply couldn’t grasp the concept. I was the dumb ‘outsider’ I actually felt quite intellectually superior to these people – which in a number of ways is worrying; As I’m sure you’ll probably agree.

I’ll end with the last point today. This story:

Study examines scientists’ ‘climate credibility’

Page last updated at 08:47 GMT, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 09:47 UK
By Pallab Ghosh

“Some 98% of climate scientists that publish research on the subject support the view that human activities are warming the planet, a study suggests.” – source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10370955.stm

Crikey. The HUGE majority of academic papers I’ve seen attach “hopeful” (that’s being diplomatic!) taglines to their papers saying things like “This will contribute to a cure for HIV/Cancer/Malaria” blah blah blah. One highly respected academic confided in me that they attach stuff entertaining a Darwinian viewpoint to their papers or else their papers simply won’t get published, but they themselves don’t believe anything to do with Darwinism at all.

The point is, the game is rigged and if you don’t pander to it, then your toast. It’s a ‘Mark of the Beast’ kind of thing. This BBC story, like so many BBC newz stories is meaningless bumfluff.

Man it’s been a weird few weeks.

* ‘A Muslim (not the singular) may have killed Theo Van Gogh, but no actual act of violence (which automatically gets promoted to terrorism or even better still ‘ISLAMIC terrorism’) springs forth from the vacuum, yet that is how these events are spun out, that there is a bunch of backwards men who out of their own choice decided non-Muslims must be exterminated. And not springing forth from the vacuum is NOT an excuse for acts of violence, and similarly there are provocative acts that DO require a violent response – when for example a demon like Tony Blair robs the lives of 1,400,000 men women and children. The killing of Blair’s murder by those who are his victims is a very persuasive argument – an act of natural justice.

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2 Responses to “Iblis didn’t bow to humans – In a sence, I think I can understand why.”


  1. 1 AkMaR June 23, 2010 at 1:11 am

    I find this post kinda hard to understand (well actually, a lot of ur posts, i think it’s bcos I don’t have yet the basic knowledge of what u’re talking abt) but this one paragraph…..

    I asked Q’s like by what standard are you saying the indigenous population are ‘left behind’. You see it was the immigrants economics and way of life that was the benchmark. If the indigenous population weren’t forced into that system in the first place but allowed to operate in whatever way THEY saw fit then if they stuck with their traditions, the ‘left behind’ thing becomes a non issue……….

    I think I get it.
    Is it something like “there will be no poor people if there is no rich people”?

    i.e when compared to a rich, the poor will look very left behind, and poor. But if there’s nothing to be compared to, the “poors” fine on their own.

  2. 2 lwtc247 June 23, 2010 at 6:54 am

    ““there will be no poor people if there is no rich people”? – Kind of , but not quite, as ‘rich’ and ‘poor’ is still a divide within the system that makes rich and poor in the first place, or rather, what we percieve and measure as rich an poor.

    When the immigrants came, did anyone ask the indigenous people for their permission to have this immigrant lifestyle imposed upon them (or at least magnified/intensified)- whereby they would have their land fenced off to be made no-go areas, whereby they would have to use the immigrants ‘money’ in order to trade whereby they had to spend the best part of 20 years of their lives in ‘education’ whereupon on completion of their education they would still face discrimination and non-equal opportunities? They have been forced into this situation. I was saying things like “If they were allowed to live their lives the way they used to before the immigrants way of life imposed upon them, then they wouldn’t have had ANY of these problems” The problems is the immigrants have destroyed the indigenous peoples way of life.

    It’s colonialism. Not so much ‘in your facer’ colonialism as the say British or American colonialism, but colonialism all the same. A number of Aborigines in Australia have rejected western/consumerist way of life. But they are made to pay a terrible price and are under constant attack.

    What right did immigrants have to impose their views of life and culture upon the indigenous peoples? None, surely.

    One can easily argue that the indigenous peoples were “rich” in the first place; they could havest utilize ANY natural resource, they could go anywhere – sit on any beach live by any river and they took care of their environment – they had too. I’m not saying life was easy – in fact it probably wasn’t, [but at the same time, not too difficult either!] but I’d bet that their accustomisation and culture fashioned from the way they had to leave would result in them being happy the way they were. This reminds me of the Quranic revelation of Dzulqarnain (Iskander as some people call him).

    There is nothing ‘holy’ about this way of life, infact much of it is antagonistic towards us it’s responsible for great crimes.


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