Science of the gaps – Richard Dawkins debating John Lennox

a) Personal prologue
b) Main post

 

Personal prologue

I believe in God. I never used to. Being raised in ‘a kind of’ Christian environment, there was usually a latent background of God, e.g. walking home I’d pass a few churches or the Christmas TV programs etc. Somhow, probably because of the story of Adam, who in my mind, was a declaration that a ‘modern man’ was the first man – very much like we are today, hence, if man came from ape-like ancestors, then that would disqualify the notion of God.

Looking back, all things considered, I’m ashamed that I came to such an ultimate conclusion so hastily, on something which has the most enormous implications for us as a species, and deserves deep study in many fields. Really, I was armed with only a minuscule level of knowledge, and sadly I was far too accepting of the information that was coming my way; I didn’t scrutinise it, I didn’t look for alternative explanations. Because of that I must have been a simple level “darwinian atheist” from the ages of about 14 to 21.

Perhaps my personal shame is a bit harsh given my youthful years, but I was “convinced” it was true and naturally I would promote such a stance when in discussion/debate about it.

Since then, I came across the Qur’an, which tells of how Isa (Jesus) a.s. was raised up from the eyes of man. The utter confidence of that statement {please read it for yourself in the Qur’an – or if you can’t read Arabic, even an English translation retains much of its power} rocked me and it just seemed that what I was reading was the truth,
so how could I deny it?

Atheists may say I was simply swapping my simple level “Darwinian atheist” mindset for a similarly simple level “God exists” mindset instead, and other atheists may also say my personally amazing experience and feelings on reading the Qur’an are   laughable. I would appeal to those who may be rofl right now to try and recall something from their own lives that fundamentally changed their perspectives. I’m sure many could recall such a thing and hence I’m sure you will better appreciate my experience on
reading the Qur’an.

I have since invested much time in gaining a much greater understanding of the God question and
try to familiarise myself on the near endless debate about whether God exists or not. Yes, I have a bias
towards God, but atheists has a bias against God, so I guess that’s fair and square.

All this means I have come across the works of Richard Dawkins.

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Main post

I’m referring to this: Lennox Vs. Dawkins Debate – Has Science Buried God

21:03 – 31:29

[P.S. Dawkins made an error in the debate saying no to ‘things going from simple to complex’, it’s obvious he wanted to to say no to things starting from complex (i.e. God)]
In my pursuit of the Gods existence debate, I was watching Lennox Vs. Dawkins Debate – Has Science Buried God.

I’m quite familiar with Dawkins’s arguments now. Dawkins puts scorn on religious people who, Dawkins says(!), say ‘we don’t know what that phenomenon is’ therefore God did it, i.e. God fills the gaps of our ignorance. Like much of what Dawkins says, it’s very sweeping and unfair in that it doesn’t acknowledge the great number of God believing scientists who do undertake the challenge at revealing aspects of what we don’t understand. Such as the Mathematician Lennox. I am what they would call a ‘scientist’ so I know this – I see it. But Lennox did a very interesting thing. He took Dawkins up on this issue (and Lennox knows perfectly well that Dawkins is very experienced in discussing) but he turned it around.
Dawkins was saying things have to go from simple to complex and that simplicity, in his eyes, negates the need for a complex God. Dawkins protests a complex God needs explanation, and an explanation as to where that God came from.

Typical Dawkins. He attaches onto God the very thing that would nullify God. A good definition of God is ‘that which has not been created’. It’s probably his greatest trick and is self-negating. The trouble is the closer you get to the ‘instant’ of the bog bang, which I think it’s fair to say almost everyone is (currently) at ease with about being how the physical Universe came into being, then it actually gets more and more complex.

Dawkins’ second trick is to simply call it simple. Well I’m sorry, I don’t buy that. I think Dawkins is actually saying the SIMPLIFIED COMPUTER MODELS used to try and simulate the EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE at some time when the universal physical constants stabilised may be regarded as simple, but even then, they surely cannot be simple in physical actuality due to anti matter and dark matter, the latter of which is said by many scientists that Dawkins would be happy to stand along side himself to account for most of the mass and therefore energy of the universe, and these are very poorly understood indeed, hence any simple model is surely wholly inaccurate, causing another major stumbling block to Dawkins on this issue.

Anyway, He says natural, blind unthinking natural selection caused the biological complexity we have today, so things went from simple (Dawkins’s ‘simple’ remember!) to complex, hence God doesn’t need explaining. But Lennox correctly drew reference to two utterly complex issues, the “pre-Dawkinist simple” beginning of the universe [my words not Lennox’s] and the origin of biological life.

It is at this point when Dawkins impales himself completely on his own sword. He says We don’t know these things yet, but we know there will be a Darwinian explanation to it. What Dawkins has done is to use a ‘Science of the gaps’ approach to it. He has blind faith that there will be a simple [it HAS to be simple – that’s a main theme for Dawkins] explanation. But any fair minded person will surely agree, from primordial soup to life today or from a ‘rugby ball’ sized ‘thing’ (from which the Universe too shape) is of course utterly complicated.

Sadly Lennox doesn’t quite navigate as well to expose this as I have tried to do above, but of course, a face to face debate is completely different from a prose based composition like this.

I also liked Lennox’s previous point about consciousness, which Dawkins took up to talk about avoiding a rock or not jumping off a cliff. Lennox is saying reductionism cannot explain consciousness (at least as far as best we know today). there is no rational way in which the reduced set of atoms and molecules can have consciousness. There has to be a way in which the structure of those atoms and molecules can store information and be able to interpret that information.
This is what separates the living (in a bio-physological sense) from the non-living*. That requires a consciousness which surely cannot be explained by step-wise selection or even by the instantaneous crossing of a hugely significant feature (which would in any case require quite a lot of genetic information to encode and endow inheritance).
Lennox called this a ‘language‘ which indicates the pre-existence of a ‘mind‘. Dawkins quickly went away from this point.

It is interesting that when Lennox rather traps himself and puts himself on the back-foot having to explain the mind of God. Dawkins rightly gets a stronger line of argument, but this is an unfair advantage to Dawkins because if there was a God, it’ is inescapably impossible to explain the word of God. Even on a human level success at explaining the means and motives of other humans often fails. How can we with a lifespan of about 80 years, a mind the size of a honeydew melon and primarily only input/output/process information one ‘channel’ at any one instance ultimately explain anything?

* non-living – actually Islam mentions rocks, which are considered non-living, as talking in some future event. This I would say, should encourage you to think there is a very different kind of ‘living’which the ‘non-living’ have access. If that’s a struggle for you, just remember djinn and Angels. Of course, the realm of God is beyond us. Dawkins protests he would/could not do science if this ‘magic’ as he pejoratively calls it interfered with science, as if God is likely to say intermittently hide then re-reveal a chromosome for example – He’s trying to cast God in a dark light. And if Dawkins was to ‘give up’ what happened to his accusations of ‘cop out’ and ‘mental lazyness’ etc

The mind consciousness/meaning part resurfaces at 49:57

At the end, I find it interesting, perhaps telling, that Lennox thanks Dawkins; “Thanks Richard” says Lennox, yet all Dawkins does is acknowledge it with a ‘mouth open and close to smile’ kind of thing. Interesting having just heard what the human moral behavioural aspect of the debate.

I believe I’m so familiar with Dawkins’s stuff that I see many many holes in it.

It’s interesting that I can’t find Dawkins debating an intelligent Muslim scholar experienced/familiar with the ‘Western’ style of this debate.
Next up (additions to this post outstanding) is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0CXmagQu0 (which I notive Atkins also attributes a derogatory term of lazyness to the ‘design’ issue)

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Who wants to live forever?

I’ve recently had some discussion of this question.

Yes, it’s an age old question and one that you yourself have probably had a number of past discussions on. Personally, I sometimes revisit these kinds of questions, because as I advance in years, I gain different perspectives as do the generally ageing people around me which opens up a new avenues for stimulating contemplation.

Well, either that or I’ve simply forgotten!

Re: older minds giving more productive discussions: It does take some time to get ‘clued up’ on such matters hence youthful thinking can, in the main, appear as ‘has been‘ or unproductive thinking, reinventing the wheel if you like, so perhaps older more seasoned and experienced minds are becoming more valuable to me. Yet at the same time, as the video below will point out, a conversation between a) Aubrey de Grey (formerly of Cambridge) with and Sherwin B. Nuland of Yale b) Aubrey de Grey with Martin Raff of UCL, seems ‘devoid of any possible intellectual divide based on youth’, but that’s because I’m talking about people from all different walks of life and not within scientific specialisation.

The main point of this post is to ask you if you would want to live forever and if yes or no, your reasons why, but that question rapidly diverts onto the question of can death be cheated, within which I make some assumptions:

1) The vast majority of those who believe in God accept (or will one day accept) death

2) Those who do not believe in God will seek ways to cheat death.
http://w   ww.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYTiAbEASo

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Twilight

It finally looks like Brits and Yanks are starting to pay the price for the bankruptcy of perverted economic and moral bankruptcy (neo-imperialism) they allowed continue (largely unopposed and suckled off) for decades if not centuries. In all honesty, I can’t say I have any sympathy for them, after all, they keep voting for proven killers and killers-to-be, they are utterly deluded that the political system UK and US (I don’t care if you call it Democracy or what – as it’s totally irrelevent) is anything other a great failure.

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”   – (Galatians 6:7 KJV)

The greatest protests the world has ever seen (Feb 2003)  against the looming obliteration of Iraq were encouraging (despite the fact Iraq had been under 12 years of murderous sanctions and wicked bombings by the rAF and USAF) but when the bombing started, those same people were pretty much content that ‘Febuary’s first step‘ meant that they had done their ‘bit’. How miserable.

As regards to the self declared non-elected leaders of the so called anti-war movement, they proved to be a disgrace. manufactured dissent, firmly thinking within the box, (I’m beginning to hate the expression “Thinking outside the box” because  ‘outside the box’ is not really outside the box at all. It’s actually still well within the establishments box – that of permitted dissent, besides, saying ‘out of the box’ is just about said by almost everyone these days who are attempting self-projection, believing they are subtly callin themselves clever, but in actual fact, they are drawing attention to themselves by trotting out tired and boring populist expressions. Saying ‘thinking outside box’ is now confirmation they are actually in sheeple box. I’ll grant Steve Jobs an honourable exception here) or simply cowards;

Actually it’s all three.

The so called ‘anti-war’ movement should have called for certain politicians (bLiar, Straw & Brown for a start) should have been hung drawn and quartered – not an extreme act at all, as it’s a similar philosophy bLiar & Co. used (so called pre-emptive military action*) – putting bLiars head on a spike outside Westminster would have saved a million innocent lives, but in fact it’s even more moral based compared to bLiars pretence at a moral stance, in that bLiar’s justification was a clear lie, Saddam was never going to attack, but it was abundantly clear bastard bLiar and jackass BuSh, Howard and Aznar were going to destroy Iraq – illegally. Lets not forget those so called Muslim Countries that did nothing, or those like France, China and Russia that stood by calculating no detriment to their own interests (and very likely thought they would ‘gain’ in the long term from it).  

Selfish Brits of course would have none of putting bLiars demon head on a spike – for passers by to spit at. It’s simply not on to kill a pathological liar, a cheat, hypocrite, willing partner in infanticide (over half a million Iraqi kids during 12 years of abhorrent sanctions). Blair is English, speaks English, wealthy, held power, and is white. All attributes which entitle him to escape punishment for his murder lust. Iraqi’s on the other hand are poor, darker-skinned, powerless, Iraqi and Muslim… BOMBS AWAY !!!

So the justice of having bLiar publically executed is unlikely to be realised, but at least they could have called for him to be publically beaten to a pulp, allowed to recover and then beaten to a pulp again and again; treatment herr mudjesties forces did to the people of Iraq.

Or at least allow some Iraqi mourners whose kids were blown to smithereens to given a damn good shiner and had a bloodied nose and a decent scar across his repulsive face and scratch his eyes out with their fingernails.

Despite the failing of the ridiculous so called ‘ant-war’ movement, people should not have ceded their morality to these anti-war ‘leaders’ and/or buried their moral conscience into an emotion-proof dungeon. They should stopped paying tax, refused to purchase goods from nations in the correctly named Coalition of the Killing, they should have taken out as much of their money from the banks and so on. But no, they were unwilling to risk any ‘luxury’. February (for those who bothered) was fine. And if you didn’t do any of those things, you could try, starting from tomorrow.

Today the UK and UK citizens still vote of liars, cheats, embezzlers, killers, killers-to-be, immoral shells (probably freemasonic/cabbalistic Satan worshippers – openly conscious of the fact or not) wanting to bend the law to their advantage and use it as a club to pummel the people who voted for them, while giving reassurances that everything’s ok, we’ll all pull through. I haven’t heard that other war-criminal Winston Churchill’s been called upon yet, but the stopwatch is running.

Face facts. Voters hands are bloodied with the crimes of the elect-ees. There is no escape from that.

So, the fact the western snake is starting to consuming its own tail, is actually a strange sence of poetic justice.

I do feel sorry for those that DID speak out against the white hot evil their nation spewed (and keeps spewing) out, but such people are tiny in number.

This post follows partly from watching Francis Fukuyama on fora.tv. Re: Noam Chomsky, StefZ said on Famous for 15 megapixels wrote something like “people keep saying Chomsky is a leading intellectual”. Fukuyama seems to be same. He’s preaching to the choir and gets promoted and admired by it. I first heard this (similar) ‘in-house’ point on the BBC”s Question Time in which Salman Rushdie’s literary award was dismissed as it was a bit of a Trades Union award / closed shop kind of honourarium. Fukuyama says some absolutely ridiculous and incredibly ignorant things (which I may describe in one of my final posts {assuming this isn’t it}) His rubbish words lapped up by his audience (TED’s a bit like this too – got it’s head up it’s ass, believing it occupies some kind of multi-dimensional high ground)  show what deep shit the planet we are in, a secular occidental bog of collapse. All of these occidentials (and Tariq Ramadan sadly seems little different) are like this. Beyond Sun Tzu, Confusious and Lao Tzu name 5 Chinese intellextons. Beyond Ghandi, and Siddhartha Gautama, name 5 leading Intellectuals, Name 10 African Intellectuals. Name 10 South American intellectuals. Don’t be surprised if you can’t – the West won’t let you. You’re only an intellectual if you play the game. And what a sick game it is.  

As well as residual feelings from my previous post, this post is also a result from the commentators on Craig Murray’s site and indeed Craig Murray himself. Craig posted something about no hope a week or so ago expressing he saw no hope and failed to realise the way he’s courting (conventional)politics with zero resistance (see above)  is why there is no hope. The commentators on that post and his subsequent post are the same. His commentators are of course far worse (I actually have a decent amount of respect for Mr. Murray, but it pains me that he’s performing like a half-way house). The commentators are those who talk-the-talk mighty fine, but don’t walk-the-walk, yet they believe they are radicals or true liberals and that the system is perhaps sound but just going through a rough period. Hah! Dupes(many of them). “Ooooh, we are going to drown” they cementing their feet in large blocks and throwing themselves off the jetty.

I am old, and no longer have fresh questions to ask about this world. I know how it run, I know the score. I know where it’s headed. Indeed Mr. Murray, there is no hope at all – at least in places where this globalised hegemony reaches – which is pretty much everywhere.

I look back on my youth (up to perhaps my mid 20’s) and remember a time when I thought there was actually something good and exciting about this world. I was really scared of it’s vastness and diversity.

Not now.

It’s all the same and it stinks. It’s suffocating the good people – mostly poor and innocent – people of traditional culture and values.

The western heartless, godless self pontificating/promoting arrogant world is fast approaching it’s doom. It’s fully realisable. Actually, it’s could be postponed but definately not with a prevailing ‘mind’.

Let the TSA continue to humiliate the people who voted for Clinton / Bush / Obama or whatever tyrant puppet is in control. Let the Irish idiots who voted for their funny-money politicians and loved them when they yields were high and the champagne flowed feel the consequences of their acton. Let the Brits feel austerity and have moe lies and deceptions flow from the mouths of the people they voted for (and will vote for next time) while more Yemeni, Somali, Pakistani, Haitians, Burmese, Roma, and of course the Palestinians in an ongoing Holocaust and other peoples etc.. continute to be oppressed by these secular power holding vampires.

It’s just a pity the good people will suffer too. 

My posts here are going to become very infrequent. There is no point. Even those USans who know 911 was a lie (WTC 7 – the main achillies heel of that horrific (ritual?) massacre) won’t do anything meaningful to stop the rot. The centres of power in China will continue as long as it believes it’s elite is making money, as will Russia, Brazil, India, The huge central asian ‘Stans’ are all on the same path, and I will not forget to mention the rotten seed of it all:  Israyhell. Israyhell is close to openly assuming it’s apocaplypic position as leadingnation in the world and so their champagne will also run dry soon. The powerfully built Jew with curly hair proclaiming(falsley) to be the messiah is almost ready to make his appearance. His paradise will he hell and his hell will be paradise, but you’re already in his paradise, faux-democray being a useful tool propagating it, and you will just vote again in his paradise to get even more paradise. And if you don’t believe the dajjal will get you, the dying environment and the GM(junk) food will.

After a last fling of time wasting, I’m purging my time wasting hobbies and am going to knuckle down with acquiring knowledge of my Creator and worshipping him accordingly.

That’s all that matters. Nothing else.

I will try and respond to the funny and thought provoking, most welcomed comments people graciously spend their time leaving here, and I may, occasionally, when I’ve decided to read current events for a quick break, post here again but like this world is entering its twilight, so is this blog while spiritual being makes effort to emerge from its self imposed twilight.

The twilight is just about here now, but I’ll leave with this; A pic of from the newz-journo-junk organisation called the BBC. Source: http://www.ZION-NEWS-OUTLET.co.uk/news/uk-11773665
(copy the link and although the above is correct, to read the article, replace the ‘ZION-NEWS-OUTLET’ part with ‘bbc’)

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Big heads up to http://kevboyle.blogspot.com/ by the way.

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* of course there was nothing pre-emptive about it. The Pre-emptive doctrine was ‘strike them before they strike us’ and of course you realise they would NEVER have struck us. but shich is the extent ir perverse and mind-rotting ssumes you act now to

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Touched by Satan

I’ve just had a rare and weird feeling.

You’ve probably read descriptions about this feeling from a number of sources, I have, and generally the descriptions are described quite well, but its quite another thing to actually have the feeling yourself, for when you have the feeling, then it becomes real. I believe people who have what’s called near death experiences could relate to that.

Anyway, some time last year I was in the cinema. I don’t know why or how, but I just kinds ‘dropped out’ from the act of watching and enjoying the movie. To call it a spiritual feeling wouldn’t be too wrong.  I kind of looked around and saw that everything was ‘fake’ an illusion almost as though it staged – or even a trap if you will. I kind of interpret it as a mercy from God – in a way, a gentle wake up call, or perhaps little reminder.

I hate it when people draw upon the movies to describe life, so I’m going to do a bit of self-hating right now because in a way, it was a bit like ‘The Truman Show’. The world wasn’t real – or rather how I was fillting and using the world wasn’t real – that is I wasn’t making use of the world as I should have been. I knew the seconds of my life were ticking by and here I was in a cinema watching a movie – wasting time. I was very aware that really I was just waiting ‘life force’ and that indeed I could and should be doing something much better. Were those EXIT signs independent of this feeling or playing a subtle kind of role?

I like to think of myself as a Muslim. As such I know the purpose of life is to worship Allah. There’s a number of ways in which one can ‘get on with life’ in worship of Allah, but watching a fantasy movie wasn’t one of them. More self-hatred coming up: In that episode of ‘The Simpsons’ where Homor has 24 hours to live (he ate a blowfish) and after surviving, he vows to change the way he lives his life only to be pictured the next day doing exactly the same as what he’s always done prior to the vow. I think he was pictured asleep at the TV with a football game blaring away in the background, and the sad thing is, that’s kind of the result of my experience.

Why am I writing this? Well, about an hour and a half agom I had that feeling again, but it was preceeded – perhaps triggered – by a bit of a shock relating to some people I know (see below) and I’m wondering if once more I’ll let it pass or will I act upon it this time?

When I think about it logically, I’m pretty certain God will throw me some tests, and I must never assume I am free of the whispers of the Iblis (the devil) – that’s a mistake I’m sure most people make. They believe they are immune to the suggestions of Iblis, or that Iblis is ‘busy’ on someone else – like iblis has the same kind of physical limitations as ourself. Oh how desparetly wrong!

Thanks be to God, my life is very comfortble. I currently know of no personal hardhsips. Right now I’m appreciating my good health; I’m pain, strain, cough and sniffle free. I’m in the comfort zone in all ways not just health, and with the reoccurance of this feeling, I’m thinking again “perhaps this is my test. Will I squander my remaining life force (again)”?

I also waste a lot of time playing two very old computer strategy games. Pure time wastage. I know that. I think from tonight I will make another effort never to play them again, but what of my other hobbies? Reading politics, history, some economics, about secret societies and so on. Where does time wasteage begin and legitimiate knowledge acquisition begin? Does it ever ‘begin’?

Blogging? almost definately a waste of time. I’ve blogged to voice out objection to horrific injustices happening in this world today, and to hear from others on the subject, but it’s achieved nothing. Either has my reading of politics and just about everything else. This is true of e-mail and just about all other modernisms. It seems like it’s all a pointless waste. I think I’m in danger of failing the test. I often want to shed this stuff off and get back to real living, even though I’m not 100% sure what real living actually is.

Now and again I feel I should ALT-F4 everything and get my heart back in spiritual tune with my Creator but again I really don’t think I’m one of those 100% religion types – if you know what I mean (I lack the words with which to describe them and I don’t mean to be derogatory)

Getting back to the Satan thing. I feel it’s important to ask “What is satan trying to make me do now”? Has that beautiful girl I just saw been thrown my way to try and tempt me into trying to get close to her etc etc? {Thankfully my resolve in that department as improved over the years, but a womans beauty is very potent indeed!} Is there a new computer game pushing it’s way into my attention so that I’ll spend weeks and weeks and weeks of my free time playing it? etc.

What of the people around me? – and this is a major contrbuting factor as to why I’m writing this post.

The study of the Dajjal and end times is something that fascinates me. It’s said 999 out of 1000 are set for the fires of hell. Islam will be split into many sects. The touch of Satan will evidently be very difficult to shake off. Islam and Muslims have been and will experience this touch. It’s ridiculous to think Freemasonry/Cabbalism hasn’t infiltrated Islam, pulling Muslims from God. Zionism/Black Pope Jesuits/Black Magic, possession by Jinn, sex, money, power etc, all ways that iblis can impart his touch and what a prize a Muslims/monotheist would be. Will/do I fall foul and become one of them? Will my friends and those I respect?

Some of those friends have today given me reason to start wondering whether this statanic corruption of Islam has actually uncovered itseld. Are some of the great Muslims, (not my friends, but about one or two steps outside my ‘friend circle’),  of who I also have a lot of respect for, actually fifth columnists? Possibilities were raisd today of links to these satanic deviations specifically freemasonry/Cabbalism (but all these secret groups lead to the same end anyway – ‘whatever it takes’ – right Iblis? I know it’s your modus operandi). Thing is, some of the these people are in my estimation, at the leading edge of Islamic resurgence. And to those spooks that read this blog, no you idiots – it’s not the phoey phantom militant Islamic resurgence, the synthetic terror you guys dreampt up, but real Islamic resurgence (come to think of it, real Islamic resurgence is exactly what your ‘upper djinn possessed bosses’ are trying to prevent ergo that synthetic terror manefestation’ – Oh well – screw you too!).

I’m quite sure all things that have happened in my life have some kind of meaning. All the people I’ve met, all the things I’ve read all the knowledge I’m accumulated, so how should I apply this to the possibilities. Is this part of my test?

I don’t know. Can I do anything about it? I don’t think so. Should I spend time on it? Maybe not – it could be yet another distraction, the ‘greater mirage’. Is it time to become more insular and just let all these time wasting things pass by and power-up my personal standing with God? I think so but perhaps I owe it to myself to check out.

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I’m not sure why I wanted to publish this. What’s it going to achieve? I think I’ve just wasted more time :(

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Loon my island

Today was interesting. I embarked upon a science based progression of logical steps warning beforehand the initial variables may have to be revised later. As it happened, the initial criteria did indeed lead to a dead-end but the initial criteria were very plausible as was the ‘supporting’ evidence pretty much up until the dead-end occurred. I got the plausibility of the route imprisoned some minds, unable revise the basis for heading down that road to begin with.

The human mind has a tendency to adopt something it finds appealing to the cognitive senses but then begins to filter (sometimes unjustly as happened today) other information that could lead to the altering or abandonment of the initial construct.

Before I waffle any more, Conspiracy researchers are not immune from this, despite their rather inflated boasts of being in possession of open minds and so on. One example of this is the sign of Diablo – the devils sign.

Google(image) “Diablo hand sign”. Quickly you will see a number of rather horrible people pictured giving this sign. Try telling a conspiracy researcher that this is meaningless and you’ll probably get some stick. Insist that it’s a coincidence and might find that it’s not too long before you are being advised to ‘wake up’ or something.

Point then to this however https://lwtc247.files.wordpress.com/2001/01/bhds.jpg and you hopefully you’ll be met by a silence. Then watch the excuses start to pour out, demonstrating the resistance the human mind has to change its opinions.

Sadly it seems this ‘phenomenon’ is equally as stong in conspiracy researchers and non-conspiracy researchers alike and

P.S. I’ve even seen Sheikh Imran Hosein’s hand adopt the Diablo shape when giving a talk in Singapore. Somehow I don’t think that I.H. is a frequenter of Bohemian grove.

My wise father told me a long time ago ‘people look for info to reinforce their prejudices’. My father was right.

I’ll begin to finish this post off by saying ‘sleeping people’ and ‘awake people’ { conspiracy researchers among them} fall foul of the same trap, and that trap is bipolarisation. Chances are, your mind is infested with bipolarisation and it’s probably manipulated that way.

I’ll end now by saying at times I really dislike the fact that I have to rely on “news” of whats going on out there by having to read about it rather than experience it first hand, because it feels at times that the vast majority of news or alternative news is simply two sides o f the same coin. Someone is either going to try and manipulate me into what one may call the mainstream conformity and other will be simply pushing the ‘alternative view’ {many of which I myself have adopted} so I feel set up.

While the ‘conformity’ side is wholly repulsive, the bipolar twin sometimes looks pretty horrible too. The conformist Trueman show is miserable and the alterative Truman show is sometimes little better.

And so ends another personal message to be collected by the data harvesters. Phase 3 contains someone saying something like “The new world order won’t be forced upon anybody, instead we will all be queuing up or it” Yeah, and there’s probably two ques, and unfortunately I think I’m in one of them.

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Iblis didn’t bow to humans – In a sence, I think I can understand why.

That title is horrible, but it gets the point across and I’m too tired and pressed for time to try and think of an alternative. Man is said to have been Gods greatest creation. Iblis refused to bow down before man. Given what I’m feeling about ‘many’ people these days, I can understand why bowing down before man might have been an ‘issue’. Of course I’m not excising Satans defiance of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEtm_Q2LK9g

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The other day I was attending a philosophical discourse (actually ‘talk’ with a lot of Q and A – would perhaps be more representative descriptor) examining “Islam (in terms of immigration) in Europe”.

It was a worthwhile use of time, and I was glad to attend it. The good doc posed a number of apparently pushme-pullyou Q’s as one may expect from good philosophers ;) By the way, I wish philosophers would not only ask skilful and quirky Q’s but propose skilful solutions, even if they don’t hold a piece of paper that identifies them as being “qualified” (what ever that means) in political science.

I had the opportunity – rather, I took it – to challenge some of the assumptions I heard. For example the ‘negative’ image of Muslims due to 911 and Madrid etc, I advised caution on these ‘facts’ {not that the speaker was saying they were facts, but I’m pretty sure the audience was taking them to be so}. I pointed out that even if one accepts the 911 stuff, out of the 1 billion + Muslims, only a relative handful are involved in terrorism. Yeah, it’s the kind of thing one would expect to encounter in the first few pages of a “beginners guide to challenging your own perceptions’”, but still, it needed to be said. These ‘givens’ are quite prolific!

Some of what the audience said was slightly surreal and actually agitating, because while most of the Muslims in the ‘audience’ were challenging the basis of the European Islamophobia, many of the Muslims in the audience had inside them the same seeds but whose only difference was these seeds had already germinated in the mind of Europeans to result in their European Islamophobia. One such “seed” is a general acceptance that the Muslims did 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Killing Van Gough* etc. I was the only one to challenge what occurred to me was a “tried ‘n convicted / done ‘n dusted” belief in the official narratives of these violent events.

This is a disease amongst Muslims. They positively lap up accusations of gross crimes of terrorism upon themselves – a bit like the Germans that have been forced to be so guilty of the Jewish holocaust that they stand back once again at the Palestinian Holocaust despite them singing to the orchestrators tune of ‘never again’.

Pah! – but at the same time absolutely incredible that they are happeing today.

A real ‘crunch’ moment was someone said ‘we have to deal with the realities’

Do people actually understand what really means?

I think not!

I think they just blurt out catchphrases in an attempt to appear clever, supermarket philosophy if you will, to be intellectually lazy and avoid perturbing their safety zone.

I tried to inform them. “Whose Reality?” I asked.

You see, once you ‘deal with the reality’ what happens after that is that you have accepted the reality set by others – you become bound to operate within it, complete with its bent and twisted rules. You strip yourself of power. It’s a mugs game, a dereliction of duty to oneself and society. A failure of your own human-ness.

By NOT ‘dealing with the reality’ i.e. grabbing hold of your own destiny and making the reality in defiance of someone else’s dictated reality, I’m not talking about producing chocolate houses in the woods, giant beanstalks or geese that lay golden eggs. I’m talking about the parameters of human society, not a fairytale as a reality.

This world is CRAP because WE, you and me, have allowed it to be CRAP.

The ‘comfort zone’ is incredibly captivating and sticky. It’s also incredibly selfish and dumb.

After I had done my bit, I felt a bit like not much had soaked through their skulls, once again denting the supposed ‘potential’ of today’s humankind.

A couple of days later, I was involved in a workshop of conflict resolution. Two groups were assembled to take an opposing view of some issue. The group I was in was to defend a policy of positive discrimination in favour of an indigenous population against the wealth and educational dominance of an immigrant population. I was supposed to argue this way, but there was an opportunity here to probe people mind about what they think life is all about.

I asked Q’s like by what standard are you saying the indigenous population are ‘left behind’. You see it was the immigrants economics and way of life that was the benchmark. If the indigenous population weren’t forced into that system in the first place but allowed to operate in whatever way THEY saw fit then if they stuck with their traditions, the ‘left behind’ thing becomes a non issue. The people in my group simply couldn’t understand what I was saying. To them it was inconceivable, like I was speaking Martian. They ended up trying to ‘explain it to me’ as if I was dumb (which I may well be, but I wasn’t dumb in this case!) and that it was ME that simply couldn’t grasp the concept. I was the dumb ‘outsider’ I actually felt quite intellectually superior to these people – which in a number of ways is worrying; As I’m sure you’ll probably agree.

I’ll end with the last point today. This story:

Study examines scientists’ ‘climate credibility’

Page last updated at 08:47 GMT, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 09:47 UK
By Pallab Ghosh

“Some 98% of climate scientists that publish research on the subject support the view that human activities are warming the planet, a study suggests.” – source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10370955.stm

Crikey. The HUGE majority of academic papers I’ve seen attach “hopeful” (that’s being diplomatic!) taglines to their papers saying things like “This will contribute to a cure for HIV/Cancer/Malaria” blah blah blah. One highly respected academic confided in me that they attach stuff entertaining a Darwinian viewpoint to their papers or else their papers simply won’t get published, but they themselves don’t believe anything to do with Darwinism at all.

The point is, the game is rigged and if you don’t pander to it, then your toast. It’s a ‘Mark of the Beast’ kind of thing. This BBC story, like so many BBC newz stories is meaningless bumfluff.

Man it’s been a weird few weeks.

* ‘A Muslim (not the singular) may have killed Theo Van Gogh, but no actual act of violence (which automatically gets promoted to terrorism or even better still ‘ISLAMIC terrorism’) springs forth from the vacuum, yet that is how these events are spun out, that there is a bunch of backwards men who out of their own choice decided non-Muslims must be exterminated. And not springing forth from the vacuum is NOT an excuse for acts of violence, and similarly there are provocative acts that DO require a violent response – when for example a demon like Tony Blair robs the lives of 1,400,000 men women and children. The killing of Blair’s murder by those who are his victims is a very persuasive argument – an act of natural justice.

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Darling, let’s not have sex together.

From about 13 years old up to about 18/19 I grew up a a fairly godless society. By that, I mean God didn’t play any significant role (if any) in influencing how I lead my life.

 

From about 18/19 to about 20/21, I was exposed to a habitat where Islam and Hinduism was more visual. Duing that time, I watched an almost 100 episode serialisation of the Hindu Maharabarat. The story was great and very interesting to me but really only from the point of view of ‘politics’ and ‘interpersonal relationships’ less so the religio philosophical part. I wasn’t really aware of the differences between Hinduism and Islam, but at 21 I was begining to passively come to know of those differences.

 

Then I left that habitat and went to a different ‘godless’ place. I was maturing and my self-destructing streak, ahtough still strongly present was beginning to lessen.

 

Throughout that time (13-21), amongst the small circles of friends i mingled in (some of the earlier ones prided themselves in believing they were somehow ‘different’ from the rest of society – often but not exclusively Goths/rockers/indy kind of friends) I felt a pressure to lose my virginity.

 

As a mature person now, looking back at it in an honest fashion, that pressure was mostly self-generated. I felt I had to show that I wasn’t such a bad person primarily from a physical perspective but also to a self-perception mental ‘this is me and what I have chosen to be’ perspective.

 

 Most of the pressure wasn’t peer generated, but some of it was.

 

From being very young. about 10 years old, I had a few ‘scary’ moments when matters related to sex and sexual physiology were being discussed. Being in a group of friends the occasional question/statement loaded with ‘kids sex slang words’ came my wy. Sometimes I didn’t really know what they meant, or how to begin talking about it, having never discussed anything like that before. Result: they mildly ridiculed me, but at the time, it was terrible, like the whole world was laughing. I really didn’t like it. I was sensitive to ridicule.

 

Going back further, I remember sitting in school (about 6 years old) and the class was singing a song. There was a persons name in the song and it matched mine. Because of that connection, the song ‘became’ about me! The song was a kinf of ‘joke’ song, and I thought people were laughing at me. That experience set the groundwork for my sensitivity to riducule. So, when I faced ridicule due the ‘sexual discussion’ matters from older and more cruel peers, I felt quite bad.

 

This embarassing (leading to ridicule) ‘I don’t know’ (or stumbling to be able to talk about it properly – keading to ridicule) reply I gave, came up again later in life in my teenage years, quite rarely, yes, but they were moments I would dread..

 

So I had the “poor self confidence factor” as well as the questions of ‘could anyone love me / am I nice enough to be loved?‘, and to some degree ‘why can’t I have this apparently beautiful relationship with a beautiful girl that I can see other people have?‘ buzzing around in my head, as well as some peer pressure.

 

I really wanted to lose my virginity.

 

Now I’m old, I know the self-confidence and peer pressure thing should not have been an issue. However at the time, it very definately was. The desire to lose my virginity was a significant part of ‘growing up’ and so often I felt bad because of it.

 

A couple of years ago I watched a program about USan kids who took a pledge to uphold their virginity and wore a ring to symbolise and advertise that pledge. They were open about wanting to retain their virginity.

 

Why oh why oh why couldn’t I have been like that when I was young. Virginity was something I perceived as shameful and brought mild contempt upon me from a small number of my peers.

 

Now I realise one difference. It was that those USan kids were incorporating God via Christianity (don’t know which type) into their lives which gave them the strength of self belief and helped them avoid the personal turmoil I experienced, as well as lifting them to an admirable stance of morality absent from my life at the time.

 

 

I think those kids are fantastic.

 

http://www.youtube.com/v/BQCaGjoNizs&hl=en

 

Side note:

When “teenager”, here was me previously and arrogantly thinking I, along with some friends, was somehow different from ‘normal society’, liberated from being ‘square’, better in some way. Yet I was deluding myself. I ridiculed my school mates for being ‘normal’ when here was me, thinking I should be ‘sleeping around’ too – doing hoping to do the thing that my culture was starting to become standard practice. How ‘different’ huh? Not only that, but when at school hypocritically cast out mild ridicule upon some of my classmates when I myself didn’t welcome such a thing. The nastiness I showed to my classmates is my responsibility It would be dishonest to blame someone/something else, but to step down the path I went along, was quite easy, partly fuelled by my own jealousy of those people whose lives were ‘normal’ when mine was not (partly, but not entirely by my own making).

 

As time passed I was getting older(durr!) and maturing so I was naturally changing anyway. The lack of self confidence, although still an issue, wasn’t allowed to affect me that much. I was unconsciously beginning to fit into ‘normal society’ but I did consciously decide to make some alterations in my life to cut out some of those things which were harming me.

 

This was when I was about 21. Over the next few years, in fits and starts, I began taking significant steps in my intellectual growth. Soon after I came across Islam which I started to learn about.

 

On reading a part of the Qur’an about Isa (Jesus) a.s. Qur’an I had the feeling this IS Divine Revelation and I read about the prophet Muhammad(saw). Eventually I concluded Islam is the wisdom to lead a successful life.

 

I am now very self-aware, very honest with myself, and highly self-confident. In part this is due to my analysis of my past life but also my religious belief. If only my eyes were opened from an internal and external perspective then my youth would not have been so wasted. But I am here today because of my past and I regards life now and in most cases the society and people around me as a beautiful gift. Alhamdulillahi rabbilallameen..

 

Why am I writing about all this? Because I saw something that had some similarities with my life, different parts of it are being played out by a mother and her handicapped son.

 

I shouldn’t be writing this now, I have FAR too much work to do, but I felt the need to write this, perhaps as a continuous process of self-healing, albeit effectively not needed and extinct, but also as an appeal to those facing the same issues to realise: it’s an illusion, there is an escape pod. This world is noting you don’t have to give up your virginity in what I’d call, perhaps unkindly,  ‘a western’ fashion.

 

The story is here:

Mother wants sex for Down’s son at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7948511.stm

 

When I have more time, I will comment about it as well as highlight and criticise the terrible stance of the mother. Also related to the issue, is the Dutch mother featuring in a post I made on my original lwtc247 blog in Oct 2007: http://lwtc247.blog.co.uk/2007/10/23/in_persuit_of_the_bhagwans_freedom~3180442/ 

 

Virginity is valuable and has been regarded as so for thousands of years among many societies and cultures. Maintaining virginity avoids much social unrest. Don’t let the godless society con you into losing that.

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Evolution & Theology – Great news?

9th April 2009. Please read these two posts first:

a) Evolution – a look at the mutation waddle (February 7, 2008)
https://lwtc247.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/evolution-a-look-at-the-mutation-twaddle/

b) Why I can’t accept the evolutionists (8th June 2008)
https://lwtc247.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/why-i-cant-accept-the-evolutionists/

thank you.

{13-Mar 09: The original publication date of this post was 3-March 2009. I am changing the date of this post to 12 march so that it comes second after my latest post: “Listen, oh ye Christians to thy learned and righteous scholars” which, in my opinion, addresses the fundamental force behind evolutionary thinking, the ‘movement’ and associated propaganda.

False religions such as neoDarwinism need to be exposed for the pile of spin and dreamt-up fantasies, devoid of science, yet projected as science, for lies that they are (lets debte that if you disagree) and they WILL be exposed. In the mean time, one should not let evolution, or Illuminati, Common Purpose, Black Pope, Freemasosny, Truth Vibrations, Druidism etc. distract us from the ULTIMATE, all embracing conspiracy and that is to pull you away from God. That dear readers, the deviations from the ONE way of life, which guarantees success in this life and the next, are the ROOT cause of ALL conflict that has ever been and ever will be. 

That is why this post, is of today, being placed number two on my blog. I welcome and still want to hear in particular, people who support what has become publically known as Darwins theory of evolution to try and convince me otherwise.}

I beleive passionately about debating “things Evolution” such as:

1) The origin of the first life form on earth.
2) Consciousness, morality (amongst orgnaic molecules) and metaphysics.
3) The complete lack of fossils  showing mankind came from apes and absence of missing link for ALL other spcies.
4) Why, with hundreds of thousands of species, do we not recognise instances of speciation today, and why in amongst a sea of mutations, can nobody declare regressive mutations?.
5) The mechanism and mathematics of speciation.
6) Exonuclear DNA and the emergence of viral form of life.
7) Enzymic replication mechanisms whose synthesis dependens entirely fully functional cells designed (in part) for that purpose.
6) The origin, dynamics and mechanics of warm and cold blooded fauna (i.e. the split between warm and cold blooded animals)
7) The microscale development of symbiotic relationships. (e.g. wasps that lay their eggs in one creature only)
8) The divisions between the plant and animal kindgom including slime moulds and fungi.
9) The chemical synthesis and assembly of cells – the only structure known to be support life
10) The physics of the big bang.
11) The age and elemental composition of the Earth in comparison to the known atomic physics of nuclear stability, synthesis and abundance. (e.g. where did the elemets after iron come from? – was there time for a pre-solar system supernovae – inc star formation etc.)
12) The inevitability of death.
13) The scientific components within Monotheism (see leter).
14) Why the branches of ‘Evolutionists’ spend little time, if any!, attacking Satanism but spend large amounts of time attacking Monotheism {I originally had that in reverse! Sorry}.
15) Lets examine the amount of time spent scruitinising religion as apposed to the theories NeoDarwinism.
16) The actual ‘religious’ beliefs (inc Kabalism etc) of those who play a strong role in ‘leading’ our society.
17) What Darwin actually theorised inc. caveats issued, all minus the spin

Yeah, bring on the discussions. But why do I get the feeling there will be little or no discussion on these matters. I suspect it as usuall the focus will be on trying to disprove God and NOT on the scientific claims/validity of neoDarwinism

Vatican hosts Darwin conference – BBC
Page last updated at 02:27 GMT, Tuesday, 3 March 2009

 

This has been sent to me over the years…

Findings  of Dr. Tariq Al Swaidan 
might  grasp your  attention: 
Dr.Tarig Al Swaidan discovered some  verses in the 
Holy  Qur’an 
That mention one thing is equal to  another, 
i.e. men are equal to  women. 
Although this makes sense  grammatically, 
the astonishing fact is that the number  of 
times the word man appears  in   
the Holy  Qur’an 
is 24 and number of times  the word 
woman appears is also  24, 
therefore not only is this phrase  correct in 
the grammatical sense but also true  mathematically, 
i.e. 24 =  24. 
Upon  further analysis of various  verses,
he discovered that this is consistent  throughout the whole

Holy Qur’an 
where it says one thing  is like another. 
See below for astonishing result  of 
the words mentioned number  of times in  Arabic 
Holy Qur’an 
Dunia (one name for  life) 115 . 
Aakhirat (one name for the life after this  world) 115 
Malaika  (Angels) 88 .  Shayteen (Satan) 88 
Life 145 Death 145 
Benefit 50 Corrupt 50 
People 50 Messengers 50 
Eblees (king of  devils) 11 .  Seek refuge from Eblees 11 
Museebah  (calamity) 75 .  Thanks ! 75 
Spending  (Sadaqah) 73 .  Satisfaction 73 
People who are  mislead   17 Dead  people 17 
Muslimeen 41 J Jihad 41 
Gold 8 Easy  life 8 
Magic 60 Fitnah (dissuasion,  misleading) ! 60 
Zakat (Taxes Muslims pay to the  poor) 32 
Barakah (Increasing or blessings of  wealth) 32 
Mind 49    Noor 49 
Tongue 25 Sermon 25 
Desite 8 Fear 8 
Speaking  publicly 18 Publicising 18 
Hardship 114 …. Patience 114 
Muhammed 4 Sharee’ah (Muhammed’s teachings) 4 
Man 24 . Woman 24 
And amazingly enough have a look how many  times 
the following words  appear: 
Salat 5,  Month 12 , Day 365, (N.b. Gregorian callendar = 1582)
Sea 32,  Land 13 
Sea + land = 32 + 13 = 45 
Sea = 32/45*100q.=71.11111111% 
Land = 13/45*100 =  28.88888889% 
Sea + land   100.00% 
Modern science has only recently proven that  the water covers 
71.111% of the 
earth, while the land  covers 28.889%. 

Is this all a  coincidence?   Question  is that 
Who taught  Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) all this? 
Reply automatically comes in  mind  
ALMIGHTY ALLAH 
taught him. 

This as  the 
Holy Qur’an 
also tells us  this. 
please pass this on to all your  friends 
Ayat 87 of Suraa  (Chapter) 
Al-Anbia  !para 17 : 
LA ILAHA ILA ANTA 
SUBHANAKA  INI KUNTU MINA ZALIMEEN. 

 

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Common Purpose on da BBC

Update: Wed,  11 March 2009:
The Investigators with Jonathan Maitland. BBC Radio 5 live. Latest Episode: The Investigators: Secret Society? 08 Mar 09. Critics claim “it’s a secret society for careerists,” while members insist it’s a legitimate training provider for the public and voluntary sectors. Who’s right? The Investigators ask what is Common Purpose? We speak to the man leading the campaign against them, an expert on conspiracy theories, and the organisation themselves to help answer that question. MP3 download file = http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/5lr/5lr_20090308-1630a.mp3 (Duration: 20mins | File Size: 10MB)  – lwtc247 says: Havent listened to it yet. Don’t know how good it is.
End up Update.

 

For what it’s worth, the BBC has an article on Common Purpose. http://tinyurl.com/db22u8

More worthy than most BBC stories is a post made by StefZ (Famous for 15 megapixels) about CP in Sept 2007 – almost a year and a half before the UK State propaganda and disinformation service a.k.a. “the BBC” did. StefZ’s post is called “The Common Enemy“.

As a side note, it is interesting how reactionary the BBC has become in recent years. Increasingly it simply responds to news that people already know and applies its spin after, rather than breaking new news and new information to us. When it does have a scoop, it’s seems like it reports in such a fashion as to steer your thinking. First impressions last kind of thinking I surmise.

Common purposes website can be accessed by clicking here: http://tinyurl.com/d3cg4z (today I don’t feel like linking directly to them)

If CP was an organisation with a secret agenda (and it probably is given the lack of altruism in the world today) then, I would guess like for any large scale secret society,  that it’s wholly unlikely that ALL of its members will be fully in on the plot. Most organisational structures operate on a need to know basis – employing a pyramidal/compartmentalisation of knowledge type structure. So it’s worth pointing out that if CP was a secret group you can’t just look at one member for signs to prove it is a shadowy group, you should look deeper. Conversely, if it wasn’t a secret group, then none of its members would be in on the plot – obviously, as there would be no plot!

This leads to: A member of CP who seems on the level, may well be, OR, he could be good at disguising his agenda. So we should look at more than simple individuals (like state sponsored assassin Cressida Dick of the Metropolitan Police, a CP member who unless I am mistaken was promoted after she ordered the killing of a innocent man, Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes).

If it was up to me to plan for a dark and deadly secret society with the order of to put the world at my feet for whatever purpose I saw fit, I’d encourage a myriad of secret societies, all to appeal to various people. People who believe in something can easily be manipulated or guided to do certain things {which can be used for good as well as for bad}. Not only would I try and tempt people into some secret society, but I’d encourage many people to affiliate with public organisations too. Division is, after all, the name of the game. And we see this in many aspects of society today.

While I believe variety is the spice of life, I should contextualise my belief. The differences bringing forth this spice(good), refer to harmonious and non-exploitative ones. As a consequence of free choice, we have differing opinions on many issues. But a grouping of like-minded people is beneficial in that it forges bonds of community. If that community is essentially benign in terms of dispensing oppression, then tolerance towards it should not be disputed. This actually encompasses religion too – let other people choose a different flavour of ice cream if they wish.

The question is… Is CP benign or does it have an agenda? If it was benign then as a political and societal structure which impinges upon our lives, it should be open to scruitiny, but it values its secrecy.

Brian Gerrish is the man attributed with uncovering CP and he’ll be speaking at the Alternative View II conference in London at the end of May 2009. www.thealternativeview.co.uk/

 – And please, by my mention of conference that taking place, don’t assume I subscribe to ALL views of ALL presenters that will be speaking there. I would like to say however I am saddened by them using the old “tickets are selling fast – so get yours now before it’s too late” tactic. For heavens sake… not much of an “alternative” mindset displayed there when it comes to their own commercial activities! It reminds me of when DavidIcke started appealing to people to donate money to him to keep hius research going accepting credit card donations, or even iraqwar.mirror-world.ru asking for donations employing the facilities of J.P. Morgan Chase bank a number of years ago.  
Why is it that the BBC doesn’t ask what IS THE Common Purpose? Who is behind it? What political leanings to they have? And why isn’t the energy and resources being poured into CP – like many ‘state associated’ bodies, being put into stopping starvation, poverty, oppression and ecological damage.

I think I already know those answers.

UPDATE: Must say: One useful thing about all these short-sighted conspiracies (e.g. Israyhell brought down the Turkish plane at Schiphol airport – Feb ’09 – because Erdogan was angry that he didn’t have as much time to speak as Shimong Perez at Davos) and deluge of ‘exposed’ secret societies is the extra layers of protection it affords the eternal conspiracy.
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Zionism, the Media, Palestine, God, Good and Evil

“I think the BBC is [a] far more political organisation {than other TV media outlets} and far more sensitive to establishment needs, of which Israel is one.” – John Pilger Interview with Alan Hart Re: Palestine Zionism and the Media. An interview made for www.presstv.ir

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Palestine – Alan Hart with John Pilger (part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7FvO7X7HMA

Palestine – Alan Hart with John Pilger (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B88XpXdBUEw

Palestine – Alan Hart with John Pilger (part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNXXpZSKWEU

My own research leads me to believe Zionism originates from the Khazar, white European non-Semitic(!) “Jews” – which have been said to make over 80% of Jews. (Ted Pike, The other Israel) and is strongly associated with the Talmud (Therefore the first diaspora to Babylon, and even as far back as the rebelliousness against Moses) and the Kabala. I don’t currently believe Zionism sprung forth in Europe in the late 19th Century as many anti-Zionists seem to think.

In other words, I respect to a very high degree, the opinions of works of anti-Zionists, but I don’t necessarily agree with one or two of their opinions on the matter.

My overall belief is that the whole history of man involves a struggle: Do we follow God or do we follow the Devil – that element of fire that literally AND symbolically chose to defy God by not bowing to the creation of man. This struggle will always be part of man. It will and does appear in a number of guises. The creation of Zionism is but one. A significant one yes, but just one nonetheless. Zionism and the Rabbinical distortions by the Talmud (the Talmud claims to supersede ALL other Jewish religious laws) which it is based on, is the result of that evil trying to pull the Jews away from the devotion of God.

As for the Christian church, well there are loads of writings about the deliberate deviation from the teachings of Jesus which have become embedded in Christianity.

As for Muslims, the miserable and utterly pathetic Muslim “Leadership” and the imposition of Riba monetary systems, is the manifestation of that evil trying to destroy Muslims devotion from God, but I have to say, the largest group that are closer to God are the Muslims – not least as their Divine scriptures are untouched by distortion and fabrication – it’s just that many Muslims don’t follow it particularly well)

Thankfully, there are Jews(e.g. Messianic Jews), Christians and Muslims who understand and reject the Satanic plots to pull them away from The One, The Creator. The inherent arrogance of Shaytan blinds him as to the futility of his quest, boyed on by what will only ever be partial success, such is his folly.
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