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No shot Sherlock! – Georgia/Russia

While the leadership of Georgia, under cover of the opening of the 2008 Olympic games, was busy iniating war against civillians, mentally astute people around the world sussed out pretty early that it was the doings of the Georgian leader Sackasswilly and he comitted a number of crimes against humanity in the process.

The BBC and British government at the time were unquestionably in favour of the criminal Georgian government and that bag of talking pus filled skin bag, David Milliband, went full steam shead towards conflict with Russia, while he should have praised Russia’s legitimate response and the caution it took to minimise civillian casualties and infrastructure.

Independent media crews exposed a few of the lie that Russia initiating this conflict, lies which were slapped around the corporate mainstream media (MSM) like honey on a rosting pig.

Still, despite all this and evidence of Sackasswilly’s crimes, the BBC still spun a pro-Georgia line.

Today the BBC finally does what others have been saying for some time, albeit being dragged kicking and screaming by other media organisations/outlets – that Georgia did infact commit war crimes. But even then the slime can’t help but put pro-Georgian spin on it.

“Georgia’s attempt to re-conquer the territory”source. Emphasis mine.

As if Russia had invaded or conqured South Ossetia. Any only now that the BBC admits what happened will it’s employees and other avid BBC believers accept a clearer picture of what happened.

The BBC newz department and the sick-heads that run it are a disgraceful part of the BBC.

It should be scrapped.

Today wouldn’t be soon enough.

speechless!

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=69216&sectionid=3510203

Why I had to Recognise Georgia’s Breakaway Regions – By Dmitry Medvedev

Why I had to Recognise Georgia’s Breakaway Regions

By Dmitry Medvedev (The President of Russia)

27/08/08 “Financial Times” — – On Tuesday Russia recognised the independence of the territories of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. It was not a step taken lightly, or without full consideration of the consequences. But all possible outcomes had to be weighed against a sober understanding of the situation – the histories of the Abkhaz and Ossetian peoples, their freely expressed desire for independence, the tragic events of the past weeks and inter­national precedents for such a move.

Not all of the world’s nations have their own statehood. Many exist happily within boundaries shared with other nations. The Russian Federation is an example of largely harmonious coexistence by many dozens of nations and nationalities. But some nations find it impossible to live under the tutelage of another. Relations between nations living “under one roof” need to be handled with the utmost sensitivity.

After the collapse of communism, Russia reconciled itself to the “loss” of 14 former Soviet republics, which became states in their own right, even though some 25m Russians were left stranded in countries no longer their own. Some of those nations were un­able to treat their own minorities with the respect they deserved. Georgia immediately stripped its “autonomous regions” of Abkhazia and South Ossetia of their autonomy.

Can you imagine what it was like for the Abkhaz people to have their university in Sukhumi closed down by the Tbilisi government on the grounds that they allegedly had no proper language or history or culture and so did not need a university? The newly independent Georgia inflicted a vicious war on its minority nations, displacing thousands of people and sowing seeds of discontent that could only grow. These were tinderboxes, right on Russia’s doorstep, which Russian peacekeepers strove to keep from igniting.

But the west, ignoring the delicacy of the situation, unwittingly (or wittingly) fed the hopes of the South Ossetians and Abkhazians for freedom. They clasped to their bosom a Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili, whose first move was to crush the autonomy of another region, Adjaria, and made no secret of his intention to squash the Ossetians and Abkhazians.

Meanwhile, ignoring Russia’s warnings, western countries rushed to recognise Kosovo’s illegal declaration of independence from Serbia

. We argued consistently that it would be impossible, after that, to tell the Abkhazians and Ossetians (and dozens of other groups around the world) that what was good for the Kosovo Albanians was not good for them. In international relations, you cannot have one rule for some and another rule for others.

Seeing the warning signs, we persistently tried to persuade the Georgians to sign an agreement on the non-use of force with the Ossetians and Abkhazians. Mr Saakashvili refused. On the night of August 7-8 we found out why.
Only a madman could have taken such a gamble. Did he believe Russia would stand idly by as he launched an all-out assault on the sleeping city of Tskhinvali, murdering hundreds of peaceful civilians, most of them Russian citizens? Did he believe Russia would stand by as his “peacekeeping” troops fired on Russian comrades with whom they were supposed to be preventing trouble in South Ossetia?

Russia had no option but to crush the attack to save lives. This was not a war of our choice. We have no designs on Georgian territory. Our troops entered Georgia to destroy bases from which the attack was launched and then left. We restored the peace but could not calm the fears and aspirations of the South Ossetian and Abkhazian peoples – not when Mr Saakashvili continued (with the complicity and encouragement of the US and some other Nato members) to talk of rearming his forces and reclaiming “Georgian territory”. The presidents of the two republics appealed to Russia to recognise their independence.

A heavy decision weighed on my shoulders. Taking into account the freely expressed views of the Ossetian and Abkhazian peoples, and based on the principles of the United Nations charter and other documents of international law, I signed a decree on the Russian Federation’s recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. I sincerely hope that the Georgian people, to whom we feel historic friendship and sympathy, will one day have leaders they deserve, who care about their country and who develop mutually respectful relations with all the peoples in the Caucasus. Russia is ready to support the achievement of such a goal.

 

Dear President Medvedev.

Thank you for informing us of the Russian perspective on all this. Our cowardly ‘western’ media has once again proved it only serves as a propaganda tool and not as a medium for sincere discussion.

But what of the Chechens?

Can they declare independence which Russia will therefore recognise?

 

 

A dangerous jumped-up little prick

Who? Why Milliband of course (although I agree, the competition for such a title was pretty tough)

This man is steering us to a serious situation and for what? So he can please the rich people he so desparately wants to associate with.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7583486.stm
Updated at 13:52 GMT, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 14:52 UK 
UK urges tough response to Russia  
 Mr Miliband said Russia’s declaration inflamed an already tense situation
UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband has called on the EU and Nato to initiate “hard-headed engagement” with Russia in response to its actions in Georgia.

  • Additional: David Miliband also warned Russia not to start a new Cold War.Typical Orwellian speak. It wouldn’t be Russia starting a new cold car, it’s this Miliband excuse as a diplomat who’s itching for one. Evidently, he thinks he’s got something to prove as if he’s gotta show Tony the Terrible that he too can bring about war. What a miserable wanker. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7585182.stm

Not only is Milliband a dangerous jumped-up little prick, he’s a dangerous jumpred-up little Zionist prick.

Nobody in the country needs this man mustering the clouds of war. He should be arrested under the prevention of terrorism act, stuck in a straight jacket and put somewhere where his dangerous antics wont mean possible death for millions more people.

You have to admit it’s getting better, it’s getting better all the time

So goes one of the lines from the worlds best Album. The Beatles album: Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, an album which often features highly in numerous “best ever” albums.


Beatles magic.

Music trivia aside, what exactly is getting better?

The wording from the ministry of propaganda – the BBC of course.

 

1) Original:  (before being “updated”)
US forces to deliver Georgia aid
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7559252.stm

The crisis erupted late on 7 August when Georgian forces bombarded South Ossetia to restore Tbilisi’s control over the region.

2) After being updated:
Page last updated at 23:25 GMT, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 00:25 UK
US forces to deliver Georgia aid
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7559252.stm

The crisis erupted late on 7 August when Georgian forces bombarded South Ossetia to restore Tbilisi’s control over the region, where the majority of people hold Russian passports.

 

3) Now, (new story / different page)…
Page last updated at 22:05 GMT, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:05 UK
Russian MPs back Georgia’s rebels
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7580386.stm

Moscow launched a counter-attack after Tbilisi tried to retake South Ossetia by military force.

UPDATE: 4) Now, (other new story)…
Page last updated at 13:26 GMT, Thursday, 28 August 2008 14:26 UK
EU considers sanctions on Russia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7585580.stm

Earlier this month Georgia tried to retake the Russian-backed separatist region of South Ossetia by force after a series of clashes.

Russian forces subsequently launched a counter-attack and the conflict ended with the ejection of Georgian troops from both South Ossetia and Abkhazia and an EU-brokered ceasefire.

 Further update: 5) Comparison: (The Iranian based news agancy presstv.com)
Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:53:48 GMT
Russia explores other options on Iran
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=68836&sectionid=351020104

The conflict, which began with Georgia’s military offensive into the de-facto region to reclaim it by force, resulted in the loss of 2,000 lives and the displacement of 40,000 people.

So it is getting better, but could be better still! Have I detected a shift from outright lies becasue many of the intelligent public didn’t swallow the BBC (and other corporate media) crap by default? The clear attempts by the BBC to lie and unnecessary demomize Russia have failed miserably and now the BBC is trying to pull itself back (and failing) from its plummeting path of irrelevance and rejection by the worlds thinking people.

Not that the BBC wont repeat the same vile propaganda when the next opportunity arises of course.

Nuclear war looms?

If Russia is the resistance to the US, as described in conventional politics, then we are closer to some form of aggression now between the two than we have been for quite a long time.

Since (weirdly) the Russian military put faith in Yeltsin (who seemingly didn’t give a toss about Russia as long as Boris lived a life of luxury and prestidge) and the monetarists moved in, the US and UK have never ceased to interfere with it. Neither have they ceased their hipocrisy. Russia isn’t totally blameless for some of the criticism levvied against it, and the blood is thick on their hands as you may like to discover in relation to the war against Chechnya. But neither does it deserve all the muck thrown at it.

While I think all the important human parts in the machinery nuclear war machine are not so stupid to allow a full scale nuclear war, the possibility of a limited exhange cannot be ruled out. The previous post with three frames from the movie “Threads” gives such a plausible senario. All it takes is a number of misunderstandings and miscalculations for any confrontation to initiate and spiral out of control.

In this context, the actions by the US and UK (and Israyhell) in relation to Georgia and the missile defence shield are exactly the senarios that could lead to direct confrontation.

The horrors of a limited nuclear echange should never be undersimated and it is vitally important that we do what we can to stop our governments ever classing with Russia (and vice versa). In addition to threads, you may like to watch this QED program that appears on Google. It’s called “QED: Nuclear War – A Guide To Armageddon“.

 

It really is a massive failure from us CITIZENS who have allowed these dirty foul politicians to put us back in the situation where we enter the shadows of a nuclear confrontation. Sadly if we maintain this current position of apathy and self-indulgence, we shall never be free of it.

Take care…

Update: BBC nuclear bomb script released 
 
“Scripts were written to reassure the public the BBC was “still there”
A script written by the BBC and the government to be broadcast in the event of a nuclear attack has been published.”
– source http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7648042.stm

 Disaster management psychology exposed.

“It has previously been revealed the BBC stockpiled entertainment programmes to boost public morale in the event of a war.” 

DYeah. That would be just great. isaster management psychology exposed.

“In the event of a nuclear attack, staff were told to stay in hiding for 14 days, when it would be safe to leave.”

Hummmm. Thats interesting.

 

 

Information which liberates the mind

 

It is a tribute to the internet that so many in the West were able to understand exactly what happened between Georgia and Russian in South Ossetia which as Iain MacWhirter, writing in the UK Hereld says:

…the unstable and unreliable Georgian leader, Mikhail Saakashvili, who launched a cowardly, brutal assault on the South Ossetian town of Tskhinvali under the cover of the opening night of the Olympic Games – Iain MacWhirter

 


MacWhirter

To which Dmitry Rogozin, Russia’s ambassador to NATO, corobborates in the IHT:

Saakashvili gave an order to wipe Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, from the face of earth.

The Georgian air force and artillery struck the sleeping town at midnight. More than 1,500 civilians perished in the very first hours of the shelling. At the same time, Georgian special forces shot 10 Russian peacekeepers who didn’t expect such a betrayal from their Georgian colleagues.

The Kremlin attempted to reach Saakashvili, who was hiding, by phone. All this time the Russian Joint Staff forbid the surviving peacekeepers to open return fire. Finally our patience was exhausted. The Russian forces came to help Tskhinvali and its civilian population. – Dmitry Rogozin

 


 Dmitry.

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And if the conspiracy theories are wrong that Russia is actually in cahoots with China and the EU and whatnot for some elite group, then you should scratch your heard and ask why the hell are Bush and Merkel trying to rush through Georgia’s membership of NATO, which will probably see Saakashvili try another round of genocide and ethnic cleansing hoping NATO will be obliged to go to war on Georgia’s behalf when the Russians make a rightful response.

DO YOU oh citizens of western Europe want the bones of your loved ones to face being transformed into heat and light for the sake of a western puppet tyrant (is there any other type) called Saakashvili?

Hummmm…. How about  NO!


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