Science of the gaps – Richard Dawkins debating John Lennox

a) Personal prologue
b) Main post

 

Personal prologue

I believe in God. I never used to. Being raised in ‘a kind of’ Christian environment, there was usually a latent background of God, e.g. walking home I’d pass a few churches or the Christmas TV programs etc. Somhow, probably because of the story of Adam, who in my mind, was a declaration that a ‘modern man’ was the first man – very much like we are today, hence, if man came from ape-like ancestors, then that would disqualify the notion of God.

Looking back, all things considered, I’m ashamed that I came to such an ultimate conclusion so hastily, on something which has the most enormous implications for us as a species, and deserves deep study in many fields. Really, I was armed with only a minuscule level of knowledge, and sadly I was far too accepting of the information that was coming my way; I didn’t scrutinise it, I didn’t look for alternative explanations. Because of that I must have been a simple level “darwinian atheist” from the ages of about 14 to 21.

Perhaps my personal shame is a bit harsh given my youthful years, but I was “convinced” it was true and naturally I would promote such a stance when in discussion/debate about it.

Since then, I came across the Qur’an, which tells of how Isa (Jesus) a.s. was raised up from the eyes of man. The utter confidence of that statement {please read it for yourself in the Qur’an – or if you can’t read Arabic, even an English translation retains much of its power} rocked me and it just seemed that what I was reading was the truth,
so how could I deny it?

Atheists may say I was simply swapping my simple level “Darwinian atheist” mindset for a similarly simple level “God exists” mindset instead, and other atheists may also say my personally amazing experience and feelings on reading the Qur’an are   laughable. I would appeal to those who may be rofl right now to try and recall something from their own lives that fundamentally changed their perspectives. I’m sure many could recall such a thing and hence I’m sure you will better appreciate my experience on
reading the Qur’an.

I have since invested much time in gaining a much greater understanding of the God question and
try to familiarise myself on the near endless debate about whether God exists or not. Yes, I have a bias
towards God, but atheists has a bias against God, so I guess that’s fair and square.

All this means I have come across the works of Richard Dawkins.

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Main post

I’m referring to this: Lennox Vs. Dawkins Debate – Has Science Buried God

21:03 – 31:29

[P.S. Dawkins made an error in the debate saying no to ‘things going from simple to complex’, it’s obvious he wanted to to say no to things starting from complex (i.e. God)]
In my pursuit of the Gods existence debate, I was watching Lennox Vs. Dawkins Debate – Has Science Buried God.

I’m quite familiar with Dawkins’s arguments now. Dawkins puts scorn on religious people who, Dawkins says(!), say ‘we don’t know what that phenomenon is’ therefore God did it, i.e. God fills the gaps of our ignorance. Like much of what Dawkins says, it’s very sweeping and unfair in that it doesn’t acknowledge the great number of God believing scientists who do undertake the challenge at revealing aspects of what we don’t understand. Such as the Mathematician Lennox. I am what they would call a ‘scientist’ so I know this – I see it. But Lennox did a very interesting thing. He took Dawkins up on this issue (and Lennox knows perfectly well that Dawkins is very experienced in discussing) but he turned it around.
Dawkins was saying things have to go from simple to complex and that simplicity, in his eyes, negates the need for a complex God. Dawkins protests a complex God needs explanation, and an explanation as to where that God came from.

Typical Dawkins. He attaches onto God the very thing that would nullify God. A good definition of God is ‘that which has not been created’. It’s probably his greatest trick and is self-negating. The trouble is the closer you get to the ‘instant’ of the bog bang, which I think it’s fair to say almost everyone is (currently) at ease with about being how the physical Universe came into being, then it actually gets more and more complex.

Dawkins’ second trick is to simply call it simple. Well I’m sorry, I don’t buy that. I think Dawkins is actually saying the SIMPLIFIED COMPUTER MODELS used to try and simulate the EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE at some time when the universal physical constants stabilised may be regarded as simple, but even then, they surely cannot be simple in physical actuality due to anti matter and dark matter, the latter of which is said by many scientists that Dawkins would be happy to stand along side himself to account for most of the mass and therefore energy of the universe, and these are very poorly understood indeed, hence any simple model is surely wholly inaccurate, causing another major stumbling block to Dawkins on this issue.

Anyway, He says natural, blind unthinking natural selection caused the biological complexity we have today, so things went from simple (Dawkins’s ‘simple’ remember!) to complex, hence God doesn’t need explaining. But Lennox correctly drew reference to two utterly complex issues, the “pre-Dawkinist simple” beginning of the universe [my words not Lennox’s] and the origin of biological life.

It is at this point when Dawkins impales himself completely on his own sword. He says We don’t know these things yet, but we know there will be a Darwinian explanation to it. What Dawkins has done is to use a ‘Science of the gaps’ approach to it. He has blind faith that there will be a simple [it HAS to be simple – that’s a main theme for Dawkins] explanation. But any fair minded person will surely agree, from primordial soup to life today or from a ‘rugby ball’ sized ‘thing’ (from which the Universe too shape) is of course utterly complicated.

Sadly Lennox doesn’t quite navigate as well to expose this as I have tried to do above, but of course, a face to face debate is completely different from a prose based composition like this.

I also liked Lennox’s previous point about consciousness, which Dawkins took up to talk about avoiding a rock or not jumping off a cliff. Lennox is saying reductionism cannot explain consciousness (at least as far as best we know today). there is no rational way in which the reduced set of atoms and molecules can have consciousness. There has to be a way in which the structure of those atoms and molecules can store information and be able to interpret that information.
This is what separates the living (in a bio-physological sense) from the non-living*. That requires a consciousness which surely cannot be explained by step-wise selection or even by the instantaneous crossing of a hugely significant feature (which would in any case require quite a lot of genetic information to encode and endow inheritance).
Lennox called this a ‘language‘ which indicates the pre-existence of a ‘mind‘. Dawkins quickly went away from this point.

It is interesting that when Lennox rather traps himself and puts himself on the back-foot having to explain the mind of God. Dawkins rightly gets a stronger line of argument, but this is an unfair advantage to Dawkins because if there was a God, it’ is inescapably impossible to explain the word of God. Even on a human level success at explaining the means and motives of other humans often fails. How can we with a lifespan of about 80 years, a mind the size of a honeydew melon and primarily only input/output/process information one ‘channel’ at any one instance ultimately explain anything?

* non-living – actually Islam mentions rocks, which are considered non-living, as talking in some future event. This I would say, should encourage you to think there is a very different kind of ‘living’which the ‘non-living’ have access. If that’s a struggle for you, just remember djinn and Angels. Of course, the realm of God is beyond us. Dawkins protests he would/could not do science if this ‘magic’ as he pejoratively calls it interfered with science, as if God is likely to say intermittently hide then re-reveal a chromosome for example – He’s trying to cast God in a dark light. And if Dawkins was to ‘give up’ what happened to his accusations of ‘cop out’ and ‘mental lazyness’ etc

The mind consciousness/meaning part resurfaces at 49:57

At the end, I find it interesting, perhaps telling, that Lennox thanks Dawkins; “Thanks Richard” says Lennox, yet all Dawkins does is acknowledge it with a ‘mouth open and close to smile’ kind of thing. Interesting having just heard what the human moral behavioural aspect of the debate.

I believe I’m so familiar with Dawkins’s stuff that I see many many holes in it.

It’s interesting that I can’t find Dawkins debating an intelligent Muslim scholar experienced/familiar with the ‘Western’ style of this debate.
Next up (additions to this post outstanding) is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0CXmagQu0 (which I notive Atkins also attributes a derogatory term of lazyness to the ‘design’ issue)

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Phone Hacking Idiocy

In the UK, the usual idiots are getting into a lather about the latest electronic hijacking (mobile phone) incident which they have been privileged to be informed about. E.g. h_ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14027879 and last month: h_ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14040841

People may remember Henry Porter’s documentary “Suspect Nation”  (Henry is a journalist with the Observer – an offshoot from the tabloid newspaper The Guardian)

Suspect Nation ~ 1/5

Suspect Nation ~ 2/5

Suspect Nation ~ 3/5

Suspect Nation ~ 4/5

Suspect Nation ~ 5/5

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But even Henry’s (now old) documentary was lame in the sense that was analogous to locking the stable door after the horse had bolted, that is the horse that bolted long long ago.

Whether designed for this purpose or not, the electronic age is a boon for the disgusting powers that be. With only common sense, I will assert with 100% confidence that…

You really must expect ANY electronic information about you, will be accessed by anyone that decides to take an interest in your life, for whatever reason, and even if you are not specifically under investigation, there will be (and are!) automated electronic programs that will search the electronic world at random for infomation which someone is interested in. If a random ‘scan’ snares some of your data, you are going to flagged and that information will then probably come under more attention, whereby more of your electroic dealings and private life will come under someone spotlight and be logged.

All this talk of encryption and we need more electronic security etc. is all guff. The medium itself is fundamentally ‘leaky’. Encryption simply prevents the small guy (e.g young nerd) from gaining access to the higher organisations, e.g. government and the pervasive shady organisations that collude with it. Oh, that would be those governments which  pontificate about being open the people and all that other BS, you know, the ones what do what they like and don’t have to explain why, because of the ‘national interest’. Like I said, BS!

Microsoft (MS) said the other day it’s cloud based information in Europe cannot be refused if US spy agencies what to look at it. And of course if a US spy agency gets your info, that means Israyhell gets your info. But something that didn’t get as much attention was that MS having a branch in almost every country in the world would have to follow the laws of that particular nation, hence ANY information MS has, would be, if requested to do so, given to in effect ANY government.

And it’s not just MS of course. ALL these megacorps will too.

Basically, if you use electronic media for some kind of action, someone, somewhere does or can know about it. DNA, Iris scans, fingerprint scans. bank transactions inc those over the internet. e-mails, facebook, political views…… You name it. Your life is an open book, and that, from an ordinary person point of view ‘s NOT good at all!

There is only one solution. If you want to maximise your privacy, stop using electronic media.

But NOBODY will.

So why don’t those people ‘shocked’ by all these MSM revelations just shut heck up.

Idiots.

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Edmund Hillary – the first white man to climb Mt Everest is reported to have been asked:

“Why did you climb Everest” to which came the reply “Becuause it’s there”.

Ask a spy

“why do you do electronic spying” and they may answer “because I can”

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The Japanese are SCREWED!

lw’s law: The level of lies and spin are directly proportional to the level of severity.

And the corporategovernment of Japan has been lying and spinning a plenty.

And while on the subject of governments shovveling yet more crap on their poor populations (as if fraudultent money systems, banks and bail-outs weren’t enough), rather than nationalising TEPCO, The Japanese govt should

a) Sue TEPCO for damages encurred. (People already on the way to developing cancer should sue them too!)

b) Ensure NOT one TEPCO profit gained Yen is spared from being used in disaster management

c) Put all of TEPCO’s assets in ‘recievership’ as security to pay for any costs of this disaster.

d) Set in place a levvy other nuclear industries, a kind of ‘nuclear tax’ if you will, earmarked FROM THEIR PROFIT SHEETS, so funds are available in future for if (likely) when the next nuclear disaster stomps on Japanese people and society.

But the Japanese govt wont do any of this. They are in bed with the dreadful nuke industry.

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As for this attention given the ‘US Robot” – Giving a US robot (Made in China) to the land that is a leader in the field of creating robots, doesn’t, IMHO!, seem like it’s going to achieve much.

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Twilight

It finally looks like Brits and Yanks are starting to pay the price for the bankruptcy of perverted economic and moral bankruptcy (neo-imperialism) they allowed continue (largely unopposed and suckled off) for decades if not centuries. In all honesty, I can’t say I have any sympathy for them, after all, they keep voting for proven killers and killers-to-be, they are utterly deluded that the political system UK and US (I don’t care if you call it Democracy or what – as it’s totally irrelevent) is anything other a great failure.

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”   – (Galatians 6:7 KJV)

The greatest protests the world has ever seen (Feb 2003)  against the looming obliteration of Iraq were encouraging (despite the fact Iraq had been under 12 years of murderous sanctions and wicked bombings by the rAF and USAF) but when the bombing started, those same people were pretty much content that ‘Febuary’s first step‘ meant that they had done their ‘bit’. How miserable.

As regards to the self declared non-elected leaders of the so called anti-war movement, they proved to be a disgrace. manufactured dissent, firmly thinking within the box, (I’m beginning to hate the expression “Thinking outside the box” because  ‘outside the box’ is not really outside the box at all. It’s actually still well within the establishments box – that of permitted dissent, besides, saying ‘out of the box’ is just about said by almost everyone these days who are attempting self-projection, believing they are subtly callin themselves clever, but in actual fact, they are drawing attention to themselves by trotting out tired and boring populist expressions. Saying ‘thinking outside box’ is now confirmation they are actually in sheeple box. I’ll grant Steve Jobs an honourable exception here) or simply cowards;

Actually it’s all three.

The so called ‘anti-war’ movement should have called for certain politicians (bLiar, Straw & Brown for a start) should have been hung drawn and quartered – not an extreme act at all, as it’s a similar philosophy bLiar & Co. used (so called pre-emptive military action*) – putting bLiars head on a spike outside Westminster would have saved a million innocent lives, but in fact it’s even more moral based compared to bLiars pretence at a moral stance, in that bLiar’s justification was a clear lie, Saddam was never going to attack, but it was abundantly clear bastard bLiar and jackass BuSh, Howard and Aznar were going to destroy Iraq – illegally. Lets not forget those so called Muslim Countries that did nothing, or those like France, China and Russia that stood by calculating no detriment to their own interests (and very likely thought they would ‘gain’ in the long term from it).  

Selfish Brits of course would have none of putting bLiars demon head on a spike – for passers by to spit at. It’s simply not on to kill a pathological liar, a cheat, hypocrite, willing partner in infanticide (over half a million Iraqi kids during 12 years of abhorrent sanctions). Blair is English, speaks English, wealthy, held power, and is white. All attributes which entitle him to escape punishment for his murder lust. Iraqi’s on the other hand are poor, darker-skinned, powerless, Iraqi and Muslim… BOMBS AWAY !!!

So the justice of having bLiar publically executed is unlikely to be realised, but at least they could have called for him to be publically beaten to a pulp, allowed to recover and then beaten to a pulp again and again; treatment herr mudjesties forces did to the people of Iraq.

Or at least allow some Iraqi mourners whose kids were blown to smithereens to given a damn good shiner and had a bloodied nose and a decent scar across his repulsive face and scratch his eyes out with their fingernails.

Despite the failing of the ridiculous so called ‘ant-war’ movement, people should not have ceded their morality to these anti-war ‘leaders’ and/or buried their moral conscience into an emotion-proof dungeon. They should stopped paying tax, refused to purchase goods from nations in the correctly named Coalition of the Killing, they should have taken out as much of their money from the banks and so on. But no, they were unwilling to risk any ‘luxury’. February (for those who bothered) was fine. And if you didn’t do any of those things, you could try, starting from tomorrow.

Today the UK and UK citizens still vote of liars, cheats, embezzlers, killers, killers-to-be, immoral shells (probably freemasonic/cabbalistic Satan worshippers – openly conscious of the fact or not) wanting to bend the law to their advantage and use it as a club to pummel the people who voted for them, while giving reassurances that everything’s ok, we’ll all pull through. I haven’t heard that other war-criminal Winston Churchill’s been called upon yet, but the stopwatch is running.

Face facts. Voters hands are bloodied with the crimes of the elect-ees. There is no escape from that.

So, the fact the western snake is starting to consuming its own tail, is actually a strange sence of poetic justice.

I do feel sorry for those that DID speak out against the white hot evil their nation spewed (and keeps spewing) out, but such people are tiny in number.

This post follows partly from watching Francis Fukuyama on fora.tv. Re: Noam Chomsky, StefZ said on Famous for 15 megapixels wrote something like “people keep saying Chomsky is a leading intellectual”. Fukuyama seems to be same. He’s preaching to the choir and gets promoted and admired by it. I first heard this (similar) ‘in-house’ point on the BBC”s Question Time in which Salman Rushdie’s literary award was dismissed as it was a bit of a Trades Union award / closed shop kind of honourarium. Fukuyama says some absolutely ridiculous and incredibly ignorant things (which I may describe in one of my final posts {assuming this isn’t it}) His rubbish words lapped up by his audience (TED’s a bit like this too – got it’s head up it’s ass, believing it occupies some kind of multi-dimensional high ground)  show what deep shit the planet we are in, a secular occidental bog of collapse. All of these occidentials (and Tariq Ramadan sadly seems little different) are like this. Beyond Sun Tzu, Confusious and Lao Tzu name 5 Chinese intellextons. Beyond Ghandi, and Siddhartha Gautama, name 5 leading Intellectuals, Name 10 African Intellectuals. Name 10 South American intellectuals. Don’t be surprised if you can’t – the West won’t let you. You’re only an intellectual if you play the game. And what a sick game it is.  

As well as residual feelings from my previous post, this post is also a result from the commentators on Craig Murray’s site and indeed Craig Murray himself. Craig posted something about no hope a week or so ago expressing he saw no hope and failed to realise the way he’s courting (conventional)politics with zero resistance (see above)  is why there is no hope. The commentators on that post and his subsequent post are the same. His commentators are of course far worse (I actually have a decent amount of respect for Mr. Murray, but it pains me that he’s performing like a half-way house). The commentators are those who talk-the-talk mighty fine, but don’t walk-the-walk, yet they believe they are radicals or true liberals and that the system is perhaps sound but just going through a rough period. Hah! Dupes(many of them). “Ooooh, we are going to drown” they cementing their feet in large blocks and throwing themselves off the jetty.

I am old, and no longer have fresh questions to ask about this world. I know how it run, I know the score. I know where it’s headed. Indeed Mr. Murray, there is no hope at all – at least in places where this globalised hegemony reaches – which is pretty much everywhere.

I look back on my youth (up to perhaps my mid 20’s) and remember a time when I thought there was actually something good and exciting about this world. I was really scared of it’s vastness and diversity.

Not now.

It’s all the same and it stinks. It’s suffocating the good people – mostly poor and innocent – people of traditional culture and values.

The western heartless, godless self pontificating/promoting arrogant world is fast approaching it’s doom. It’s fully realisable. Actually, it’s could be postponed but definately not with a prevailing ‘mind’.

Let the TSA continue to humiliate the people who voted for Clinton / Bush / Obama or whatever tyrant puppet is in control. Let the Irish idiots who voted for their funny-money politicians and loved them when they yields were high and the champagne flowed feel the consequences of their acton. Let the Brits feel austerity and have moe lies and deceptions flow from the mouths of the people they voted for (and will vote for next time) while more Yemeni, Somali, Pakistani, Haitians, Burmese, Roma, and of course the Palestinians in an ongoing Holocaust and other peoples etc.. continute to be oppressed by these secular power holding vampires.

It’s just a pity the good people will suffer too. 

My posts here are going to become very infrequent. There is no point. Even those USans who know 911 was a lie (WTC 7 – the main achillies heel of that horrific (ritual?) massacre) won’t do anything meaningful to stop the rot. The centres of power in China will continue as long as it believes it’s elite is making money, as will Russia, Brazil, India, The huge central asian ‘Stans’ are all on the same path, and I will not forget to mention the rotten seed of it all:  Israyhell. Israyhell is close to openly assuming it’s apocaplypic position as leadingnation in the world and so their champagne will also run dry soon. The powerfully built Jew with curly hair proclaiming(falsley) to be the messiah is almost ready to make his appearance. His paradise will he hell and his hell will be paradise, but you’re already in his paradise, faux-democray being a useful tool propagating it, and you will just vote again in his paradise to get even more paradise. And if you don’t believe the dajjal will get you, the dying environment and the GM(junk) food will.

After a last fling of time wasting, I’m purging my time wasting hobbies and am going to knuckle down with acquiring knowledge of my Creator and worshipping him accordingly.

That’s all that matters. Nothing else.

I will try and respond to the funny and thought provoking, most welcomed comments people graciously spend their time leaving here, and I may, occasionally, when I’ve decided to read current events for a quick break, post here again but like this world is entering its twilight, so is this blog while spiritual being makes effort to emerge from its self imposed twilight.

The twilight is just about here now, but I’ll leave with this; A pic of from the newz-journo-junk organisation called the BBC. Source: http://www.ZION-NEWS-OUTLET.co.uk/news/uk-11773665
(copy the link and although the above is correct, to read the article, replace the ‘ZION-NEWS-OUTLET’ part with ‘bbc’)

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Big heads up to http://kevboyle.blogspot.com/ by the way.

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* of course there was nothing pre-emptive about it. The Pre-emptive doctrine was ‘strike them before they strike us’ and of course you realise they would NEVER have struck us. but shich is the extent ir perverse and mind-rotting ssumes you act now to

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Monsanto is an enemy combatant – Boycott Monsanto

Well one of the most disgusting megalithic companies in the world (that controls much of the US’s food supply amongst other things) can pimp their GM foods into you without safety tests.

Hourray for humanity.

Monsanto GM seed ban is overturned by US Supreme Court

age last updated at 21:55 GMT, Monday, 21 June 2010 22:55 UK
Alfalfa is mostly used for cattle feed The bio-tech company Monsanto can sell genetically modified seeds before safety tests on them are completed, the US Supreme Court has ruled. – source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10371831.stm

BOYCOTT MONSANTO

I was going to recommend you watch ‘The Corporation’, a 3 hour Candian documentary showing the nasty sh*t Monsanto get up to, but Google removed it. Great. It’s still available however: from www.thecorporation.com link to embedded video = http://tinyurl.com/23zsh2e or here http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1371416

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Angles with dirty Faces, 2010

From the anals of the BBC…

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Page last updated at 18:08 GMT, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 19:08 UK

New hope for HIV vaccine efforts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8663239.stm 
By Helen Briggs
Health reporter, BBC News

The HIV virus fusing with a T cell
US researchers say they are a step closer to understanding why some people have natural protection against HIV.

COMMENT: And I just wonder what that information will prove useful for…

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Page last updated at 23:04 GMT, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 0:04 UK

Cloud computing for business goes mainstream

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10097450.stm 
By Tim Weber
Business editor, BBC News website

COMMENT:
Real headline = BBC pimps Google Hegemony
Sub heading: They were too big to fail and you’re too small to succeed – c/o Auntie. I wonder if Tim Weber holds any shares in Google? Do any there any measures to stop BBC propagandists from ‘selling’ something for their own betterment? I very much doubt it.
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Page last updated at 19:21 GMT, Friday, 30 April 2010 20:21 UK
 
London 7/7 bombings inquest may probe MI5 role 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8655354.stm 

Fifty-two people were killed by the bombers
A judge is to decide whether an inquest into the 7 July London suicide bombings should ask if MI5 could have prevented the terror attacks.

COMMENT: The Failsafe card: MI5 failed to prevent it.
10.0,  10.0,  10.0,  10.0,  10.0,  10.0
Magic!

Oh, and don’t worry, When you vote, feel proud at how your vote will result in a public and totally Independent inqury, free from political leverage. Have a lovely election why don’t you.

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Page last updated at 09:00 GMT, Thursday, 6 May 2010 10:00 UK

Syphilis cases rise sharply in China
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8664168.stm 

 
Increased wealth has fuelled China’s sex industry
China has seen a dramatic rise in cases of syphilis, as a result of rapid social change, US researchers say.

COMMENT: Its those bloody Chinese again. While Suyhpillis may be on the rise, Becasue there’s a smear here, the BBC’s gonna cover it. It’s not a case of the reverse of “no news is good news” it’s a matter of China News must = Bad News. Literacy rates increasing, food sustainability increasing, more rural villiages have reliable electricity supply now. Health standards and Ambulance coverage increasing. Who cares about that. If it’s good news, it ain’t Chinese news.

And no I’m not afflicted with political bipolarism, like our Russian friends who ascribe every Russian crime as a CIA plot to destroy the world, and that F-16’s are scrap metal but MiG’s are excellent and any of that crap. I’m quite aware of the wider game TQ.

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Page last updated at 14:35 GMT, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:35 UK

 
Mumbai attack gunman Qasab sentenced to death 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8664179.stm 

 
Crowds across Mumbai were jubilant on hearing of the sentence
The only gunman captured alive after the 2008 Mumbai attacks has been sentenced to death by an Indian court.

COMMENT: Now, picture Iran, someone sentenced to death for having been found guilty of abducting boys, sodomizing them and after, killing them. Imagine the quotes from the torrent of anti-capital punishemt talking-heads, dusted off and wheeled out once more to say how ‘the BIG bad’ Iran is.

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And finally, what really gave the title to this post was a comment by the BBC propagandist Prachi Pinglay in the last article I linked to above.

In PURE BBC HALLMARK FASHION, Propagandist Prachi Pinglay reports without a SINGLE qurery about the official statement, she reports Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab, the supposed ‘lone survivor’ of the Mumbai massacre, quote:

“He [Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab] was studiously deadpan when the verdict was handed down on Monday. But today Qasab was emotional. A police constable later said: “He asked for water. He was upset and crying.”

Do yourself a favour. torrent : this classic movie.
ANGELS_WITH_DIRTY_FACES_1938_JAMES_CAGNEY_CLASSIC

Nice try, nice try. Maybe next time huh?

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News and yet more Newz

One of these comes from a UK government funded corporation, the other from an indpendently funded news base. Guess which is which.

This gives me a sliver of opportunity to slip in some nostalgia…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW8HqoDV_lM

The one at the bottom (the news item that is, not the kid in the video) came from the independently (non government) funded  news base globalresearch.ca the one at the top came from the government funded BBC.

Did you guess correctly?

Good. Now we’ll begin…

errr are you sitting confortably?

Here’s the URL’s if yor interested.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16667
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/default.stm 

Yeah I know, I could have made it tougher. I didn’t play fair – a bit like the BBC really. Well you can probably guess at what’s coming next.

The BBC… hummm where to start? Perhaps this: The BBC is a training camp for journalistic genocide. Its propaganda is flagrant and crass but that’s all it needs to be. A form of Occams razor that billows upon the masses. A presstitite  – the self employeed variety, one that actually looks sexy but inside is a utter mess.

If you are new here, yo might wondering what’s rubbing me up the wrong way? Well look at the BBC headline. Put the routing that dominates your life to the side for just a moment and look at it closely. Think about it.

Can UK US stop extremsim in Yemen?

Oh boy!

It’s implying that Yemen [yes YEMEN – the country, the coutry of 203,850 sq miles (527,970 sq km)]  has extremism in it,  the WHOLE country! If this implication isn’t delibate*, then the journalism presented is the culinary equivalent akin to a hard boiled egg. So now you think Yeme n is an exremist country what other propaganda alpha-waves enter your primed skull?

UK US. Hey, wait a minute. What the HELL does this have to do withthe UK? 
N-O-T-H-I-N-G—A-T—A-L-L    that’s what.

Are you not offended yet at what the BBC is doing to you? Are you not outraged that this disgusting filth? You should be. It’s WORSE than the Nazis! Worse? Yeah because the Nazi’s were nearly 70 years ago! WE should have learned. Actually YOU should have learned!!!! (OK they perverted your schooling – you have an atoms wothh of an excuse)

Why put the UK first? Well the rather descriptice USUK would be frowned upon, a little bit like the planet Uranus properly pronounced “Your Anus” (which is kind of funny really) is now pronunced Your-ran-us a bit like your highess (altho I think your heighness should also be pronounced “Your Anus” – if you said it quickly enough and semi-mumbled it, you might just get away with it :)

But is it really an attempt to avoid saying “YOU SUCK” No. As aluded to before it’s an attempt to rope the UK in to the next phase of the War OF  Terror – one that I think has taken most of us by surprise. It superglue’s us to the United Snakes, or AmeriKKKa as it’s somethimes known. I think I might start thinking of it as Israyhells back yard, or playgroind…. or toilet! An Iraqi friend of mine told me today he thought the US in it’s collapse will break out into a civil war. I think he’s right. The battle lines will be divided roughly between the good decnt salt of the earth people who at some stage say through the rotten corporate mainstream media  and those on the other side that eats and drinks from the Zionist banquet. Unfortantely I think the Zionist side will win and the decent people massacred (ZioMurFeDo – the martial art: The way of the Zionist Murder Fest). Those that survive will be left separating sourting out scrap metal in the FEMA camps. You know the way the Americans (and Ozzies to a degree) are damn lazy and just steal names of places like NEW York, New Orleans, New Hampshire and so on? Well I wonder if there’s a FEMA camp in New Belsen, New Treblinka to New Auschwitz. If not then in some odd way, perhaps there should be. They could twin with any three towns in the Gaza strip. They might have to forgo mutual sighseeing though – and food and water and medicine.

Getting back to “UK US” Not only that, but the question has buried in it some kind of “right” like a moral right or a human right or even a legal right to ‘sort out’ Yemen.

Man, this British BBC junk just gets worse and worse. Bury the BBC before it buried you.

Next the Swin(dl)e Flu… bt actually no comment is needed really. The headline summaries the con pretty well. Yes people died and so its orignins MUST be investigated in the public area and by independent investigators. But of course, this ain’t gonn happen. Wonder what the next lab modified virus wull be and when they will release it, supported by a whoreporate mainstream media announcing early on ‘200 dead’ and then blame others for scaremongering other than themselves. Oh, we’re back to the BBC and its newz again. And maybe next time, they’ll discuss its bird/pig.human make-up having allowed a few days to ‘discover’ its genetic charasteristcs from the time they sent it for analysis – unlike last time. hey guess what… were back at the BBC again!

Notice anything worth being concerned about?

I’ll leave you now with a snippted from the ever worthy Aletho News…

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/uk-to-follow-us-intervention-in-yemen/

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Authority and rules

Who has authority to tell us what to do?

Who can arrest us, try us and then punish us? Who can order us to pay tax, stop us watching or reading something?

Why are they able to do so?

The third point, “why”, is easily answered, because in any society there MUST be rules. A society without rules leads to abuse or infringement of one individual(s) upon another.

But so too do these abuses and infringements happen in a society with rules, as point two suggests. If when living in the UK I refuse to pay tax to the government to that my money wont contribute to the disgusting things it does with such passion – like killing over a million Iraqi’s or far more significantly using this fraudulent economic system as a means imposing global misery on about 1.4 billion people i.e. people earning $1 a day or less – a statistic which in August 2008, the World Bank announced with an underlying meaning that escapes words, the figure should be changed to $1.25 a day[1].

It could easily be argued that actually the more rules a society has, the more abuses and infringements occur because there are other factors to consider which haven’t yet been mentioned. Spin offs of this can also be seen in the field of “identity documentation” and records. Stories of identity theft have made it into the news provoking the knee-jerk reflexive action from “tough” politicians saying they will do more to protect people from identity theft…. by introducing more forms of personal identity of course!

“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.” – Historian, Baron John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton in 1887.

the Baron was right. The megalomania complex within man (or whispered into his ears) has produced filthy killers like Firaoun, King Herod, Richard The “Lionheart”, The Young Turks, Stalin, Begin, Pol Pot, Idi Admin, Joseph Kony, Tony bLiar and Bush II. All of these men acted in societies with rules, their rules – rules which in some cases may have been lacking in quantity but more than made up for in enactment.

So we need rules but rules can cause problems – even greater problems then they are supposed to solve. There seems no escape, but it is essential to pointed out that it’s the abuse of the ‘rules of society’ and most importantly the inflation in the quantity of rules (or inflexibility of those rules) and the plutocratic acquisition/application of those rules which all must be avoided. This side and the other extreme i.e. the society with no rules are to be avoided. Here the middle path carpeted with dew glistening lotus flowers in contrast to the burning coals of the extremes.

This means there are times where rules and their authoritarian use must can rejected, as for example with paying tax to a deplorable government.

It also means that one should not cave in to security guards abusing their power…

Armed Response to ‘Climategate’ question.
Journalist Phelim McAleer (‘Mine Your Own Business’, ‘Not Evil…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtzMBfDrpI

thanks again to http://informationliberation.com/

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[1] http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/NEWS/0,,contentMDK:20040961~
menuPK:34480~pagePK:64257043~piPK:437376~theSitePK:4607,00.html

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Absolutely crushed, like a gnat under an atmosphere of pure man made CO2

I have been absolutely crushed over on Craig Murray’s site in a discussion about Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).

Yes, that’s right, I’ve been pounded so hard with the most astute intellectualism, that I have been forced to whimper out of the discussion there. I simply became too embarrassed when I put forward what I believed was legitimate questions for examination.

Yip. On this topic, beware the hoard of ultra sharp swordsmen for they will surely cut you to ribbons.

It is very much to the credit that none of the Zorro’s engaged in ad hominen attacks, taunts or smear attempts e.g. by accusing people of a counter opinion of working for the oil industry and therefore making anything they said factually wrong.

These modern day cyber Shusaku Chiba’s, laid the facts out bare as noble professionals do and examined systematically each one in great detail. Specific references of information were displayed for all to see – should one wish to cross-check the citations .

Every point the pro-AGW’ers put across, had their reciprocal kindly embraced then examined with careful egalitarianism.

It was established with crystal clarity that 

1) it is imperative to spend billions in reducing the production of CO2.

2) There exists a fair scheme for doing step 1 above, it’s so simple that there’s not even any point in mentioning it!

3) The most bewildering source of uncomprehensible power within at least 4 light years of us,  i.e. the Sun, – an aspect of the debate which took centre stage in the discussion making it difficult to get a word in edgeways, was in the end found to be highlt irrelevant to climate change, sorry global warming.

4) The vast oceans covering about 2/3 of the planet and also hogged the discussion was like the Sun found to have no ability to temper any man made CO2.

4) The huge Boreal forests and remainder of the rainforests were found to have no impact either.

5) The initially touted pro-AGW scientific consensus’ quickly became non-issue too, but there was still a quantifies consensus more than offsetting the signatories to the Oregon petition.

6) The intellectual giants on Craig’s site, the majority of which were probably not scientists, nevertheless carried authoritativeness for the pro-AGW camp, but actual scientists who did sign the Oregon petition, weren’t competent enough or relatively too feeble minded to discuss the issues and have their opinions carry any weight.

7) ‘Hide the decline’ was taken out of context and actually means there was no decline, and there was no hiding of it either.

8) Computer code that is said to generate ‘hockey sticks’ when random data is fed into it, or returns ‘oops’ messages when the result isn’t to someone’s liking does not matter because hockey sticks are useful things and the game of hockey would become extinct with out them.

9) It’s anthropogenic CO2 that is the bane of Bangladeshi floods.

10) That energy reduction won’t decline, rather CO2 producing energy liberation will make way for this…

doesn’t merit discussion.

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Guess I’ll have to re-evaluate this too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQXY4tWaoI

and this…

Patrick J. Michaels discusses Climategate on CNN, Destroys TV Scientist Bill Nye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffgj6Deni_Y

Thanks in both cases to http://informationliberation.com/

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BBC watch Dec 09

You became familiar with a surprizing name
You heard many a meaningless slogan
You saw a flawlessly polished and glinting smile
– or was it just glare from the teleprompter?

This is what you had waited for
Like last time, the time before and the time before that too
You had wondered down a path never trod
Frequent signs from your television reassured you,
Numbed any pain
But this, this was the path of the yellow brick road.
Like a 911 jumper, we faithed somebody somewhere assembled something, making worthy our trusting leap.

And like the 911 jumper, you accelerate – much more than you imagined

Don’t worry, It will come
The affordable operation, wholesome food, respect when travelling abroad
Reasonably priced college places, the chance to own your own home
A telling off not a Tazering, from those who serve and protect
Unsnooped calls plus e-mails and no gangs offering medication you really don’t want.

There WILL be a trampoline, perhaps stacked cardboard boxes
A bed of sytrofoam or may even be a hurredly inflated pool – it was on the telly, or at least catching arms below
You are tumbled and tossed in the high-up wind, which fades while approaching the ground
Sight of what’s on the ground cannot be fixed. It’s bearingless and too confusing for comprehension.
Whether you understand what finally happens simply isn’t known.

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Obama is ratcheting up the war in Afghanistan. I am utterly convinced it will embrace Pakistan. And here’s what the first mention of Obama on the BBC internatonal news cover page.

Such prominence.

and here’s what you get when you click the indept analysis of the latest globally significant move…

So glad the BBC is living up to it’s charter to keep you informated about important global events, which you fund, oh, I forgot to mention,  now those massively over sized adverts pay for too, while your licence fee goes up and up and up.

Interstingly there are some global warming stories in the front page too! Here’s snapshot…

Spot it? a person in the UN (no climate qualification mentioned at this stage) suggests AGW is wrong.

But having the last word with a much larger title and bolder heading states definitively that man HAS changed the climate.

Ho ho as Wogan would put it! BBC Gold!

And once again, nothing about chemical pollution: fertilizers, pesticides, GM contamination, PCB’s dioxins, CO, SO2, pharmaceutical waste, solvent and oil leakage, nuclear chemical waste and nuclear radioactive pollution.

Well done BBC. Another exemplory dispalay of the greatness.

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