I am certain in some of David Icke’s ‘early’ stuff, he mentioned the Mayan 2012 calendar thing that would mark a great change in the world, the ‘old’ one undergoing fundamental change, as if a very visible and perhaps cataclysmic change would occur.
Well, DI like these other ‘new age’ pseudo-religionists who pilfer traditional religion and cast it in their own image, must be feeling very embarrassed that their ‘prophecies’ are turning out to be load of rubbish, as it always was going to be*. Well, perhaps they won’t be embarrassed as they’ll erase from their minds their self-erase their past prophecies and belief in pseudo=prophecy and be quite surprised someone like me is giving them scorn.
Numerous times on this blog I have criticised ridiculous numerologists who were of course spectacularly wrong about the Olympics and nukes detonating in London and New York, but they don’t listen, they just begin to string together some other ‘magic’ numbers in order to be wrong again.
The actual ‘big conspiracy’ is Israyhell, hell-bent on bringing their Messiah, who will of course turn out to the anti-Messiah, the anti-Christ, which I will elaborate on in my next post, but talk of ‘religion’ is old-school, totally untrendy, something from the ‘past’ [people mention the past as a method of dismissal, trying to get away with the unspoken idea that the past was automatically worse than today because it was in the past]. Being a religion based analysis, few really care about it, so it gets ignored.
We’ve got people like – but not limited to – DI to thank for that.
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*Bogus in the sense it was likely a simple human concoction, devoid of Divine knowledge. A Muslim intellectual was asked by a now adult person from a Hindu background, about a stone (or leaf) their persons parents found while they were a child. It contained written details of their childs future life, which the former child told the Muslim, was very accurate. The Muslim said (paraphrase) that Muslims we are not to engage in fortune telling etc, but that doesn’t mean fortune telling is always bogus. There are other creations apparently capable of gleaning this information. Prophecy involving these routes could possibly yield accuracy.
At what point should one withdraw from a decaying world? Islamically, when society appears on the point of collapse or beyond rescue, one is advised to detach/flee from that society .
I have fulfilled some of my responsibility by speaking out against what I believe are (some of) the GREAT EVILS of this world. I had the aim that of showing this to others and encouraging them to do so similarly against this grand tyranny.
But lets take a reality check here: The sheeple are NOT waking up (in anywhere near enough quantities). The masses are going along with the slide into despotism, and I suspect they are doing so with various levels of deliberate decision making.
Those who can and have seen the evil core of society spreading and infecting just about anything it can are massively ineffectual (yes, including me).
I think it may be time to stop shouting and time to withdraw. I must have spent years of my life reading and researching. Sadly I have almost nothing to show from it, other than an inner satisfaction that I have not succumbed to that evils and its withering touch (or so I believe!). I think a lot of my use of ‘life force’ has not been fruitful.
I am increasingly of the mindset that its just about time to ‘call time’, and begin to prepare seriously for the collapse, but I suspect any such preparation other than relocation to the isolated countryside to live a detached simple life, relatively free of technology, would be doomed.
That is surely what should occupy my time now.
Islam and monotheism has all but gone, and some miserable deceptive imitation has been hoisted up in its place. I simply can’t see any way to bring back the kind of God fearing (fear of the unquestionably justice that we will one day have to account for) and God loving based society that we need and offers salvation.
I’m not a Christian in the commonly understood sense of the word, but there is something in the concept of humans; may I call it: perpetual sin, which does indeed show the need for man to have an absolver and guiding ‘father’ figure.
I think it’s time to be a bit more “selfish” and prepare.
For some, that question is enough to stop them believing anything other than the official conspiracy theory or ‘official narrative’ as others may phrase it.
But lets be frank, it is a thoroughly stupid stance to take.
1) That someone involved in one of the most significant world shaking event would, having initially been a willing participant, simply MUST admit to the fact later. This ‘opening’ condition alone, is likely to result in the majority of participants having a very strong reason to keep it secret.
2) Given the likely real suspects behind 9/11 and the dirty things they get up to, it is more than reasonable to believe any potential squealer would face execution with a similar threat facing their families.
3) Imagine some false-flag (FF) has occurred and a squealer came forth 7 years alter. From the time the event happened up until the ‘confession’ the false flag was still a false-flag. It does not magically become a FF simply when someone admits to it.
4) Even if a confession does come forth, the following powerful filters need to be successfully penetrated; The ‘confession’ needs
a) mass exposure
b) mass communication (not necessarily the same as a)
c) mass acceptance.
These filters even when overcome still don’t guarantee people will abandon the adopted mental barrier heading this post.
5) Not all FF’s will have a whistle-blower. To believe that to date, the FF’s and black-ops that have been exposed are the only FF / black-ops that have ever occurred and that no deadly secret has ever been taken to the grave is simply the philosophical stance of cretin.
The weight of ALL evidence towards official forces being involved in 9-11 is simply overwhelming relative to the ‘official conspiracy story’, and in my opinion is is well beyond all reasonable doubt.
Why should justice and punitive action NOT be taken just because of the idiots who adopt such pathetic stances as “If 9/11 was a false flag operation, why hasn’t anyone squealed?” The only answer to that is surely this: Because in reality, possibly deep in their conscious, they prefer and benefit from the consequences that followed the FF rather than the consequences of having true justice be served and all ramifications from that.
What a world, huh!
Suggested reading: “Conspiracy Theorists & Cognitive Dissonance” by http://eleveneleventruth.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/conspiracy-theorists-cognitive-dissonance/
“There’s a pattern here, and I think It’s highly likely that all three of these men: Martin [Abdullah] McDaid, Mohammed Qayum Khan [a.k.a. Mohammed Quayyum Khan, a.k.a. ‘Q’], Mohammed Junaid Babar [4 years in prison] were all working for the security services- either British or American “
Why not the so called “Israeli” intelligence services Tom?
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p.s. the youtube page with Tom’s performance had this horrible coincidence on the side menu.
Is Al Jazeera English (AJE) deliberately using the wording “pull” to normalise or numbify peoples minds against this ‘9-11 loaded’ word’? – i.e. the pull word used in the infamous Larry Silverstein interview in which he mentioned watching WTC7’s collapse?
The AJE article in question says “Israel pulls envoy after embassy attack “. Isn’t the usual way to report these things like this: ABC withdraws envoy/ambassador? Isn’t AJE’s title an unusual one? I think what AJE says is grammatically incorrect. The article was written by “Al Jazeera and sources ” – Well, at least the “Last Modified: 10 Sep 2011 07:45” version is.
A friend of mine said Silversteins famous “pull” comment was similarly grammatically incorrect either (in context of getting firemen out of WTC7)
WTC 7 – Pull It By Larry Silverstein
by the way, the alledged comment to firemen was challenged by a “We Are Change” activist:
Larry Silverstein no response to WTC 7 lies
“…the slang in those terms is related the a certain aspect of English, its an adjective. You do not say “pull it ” to bring out people”
If my friend is correct, it is even more pucluar that AJE are also doing it. So I’m even more suspicious of AJE. And dear AJE fans, don’t bother writing in to me to tell me how AJE is good on XYZ and tht reporter PQR is what a journalist should be. I’m NOT talking about individuals here, I’m taking about the whole ethos of AJ and AJE.
Well the mainstream media have done an absolutely pathetic job at bringing up many – or perhaps more accurately: ANY questionalbe points of the events of 9-11.
How far down the inescapable hole have we gone I wonder? Just what are we going to find at the very bottom of it I wonder.
I’ve had some free time to catch up on some videos downloaded some time ago, and I’ve just finished watching a program called On the Edge with guest Tom Secker.
Tom, creator of the claimed 7/7: Seeds of Deconstruction, was recommended to the program by J7T, i.e. the July 7 truth campaign. J7T are a small group of people – and they can get extremely agitated when shitty Israyhell gets a mention, they have poo-pooed “Zionist” connections not so long after 7/7 despite today J7T claiming We don’t have a clue what happened that day – but if you’ll excuse the liberty: We are pretty sure Zionist Israyhell is not involved . It’s not that surprising that Tom was recommended by them because Tom pushes the same ambiguity that J7T do, but in a reasoned and respectable way devoid of non-sequiturs, diversions and/or false accusations.
Tom is asked about the report of the supposed shootings at Canary Wharf (CW). He avoids discussion on that. Well, actually, he does and he doesn’t avoid discussion of that issue. He ‘discusses’ it in so far as he mentions it in terms of other non-CW events.
In the interview, (28:48 start) Tom is asked about “the question of who was shot at Canary Wharf ” Note: The host “alex:g” should have added “media reports of…”.
Tom says
28:59
“One of the various things that came out in the reporting on the day of 7/7, was this notion that there had been some kind of police operation at CW, and there was even this rumour that suicide bombers had been shot there by police marksman.” Now that may or may not have happened.”
29:19
“I’m dubious [about the reports] to be honest…”
“…there’s a lot of different rumours going around on 7/7…”
“..Again, it’s a possibility [the shootings], but it’s something we have to have more solid evidence to go on than simply a few media reports saying this way or that”.
Was that a discussion of the possible shootings?
It didn’t look like it to me. It appeared that Tom was trying to ascribe the ‘CW shootings’ to rumour. Fine, but there is no way he can say for certain the reports were actually a rumour. And immediately after this, the discussion moves onto the return tickets. Tom himself says there’s a contradiction here mentioning the governments narrative binging up ONE report in The Mirror about the ‘return tickets’. He then goes on to elaborate on the ‘problem’ talking about the tickets as factual. Now as far as I remember, I’ve read people claiming the CW ‘shootings’ were mentioned on TV and they appeared in one or more newspapers. Tom discusses this one lone report as if it is factual giving credence to The Mirror’s return tickets, but unevenly didn’t apply this to the more reported CW shootings.
You know what?
It doesn’t really matter. Tom’s an individual. He is free to make his own judgements on what he thinks is strong evidence and what he thinks is something to be avoided. He exercises this liberty here regarding the CW ‘shootings, and makes the personal call that it’s something he finds not productive to discuss. OK. That’s a reasonable position to adopt. People shouldn’t throw horrible slander and lies against him if he says something others don’t happen to agree with.
34:44
“Obviously I have a suspicion that 7/7 was some kind of black-op. Otherwise I wouldn’t have made that film”
Here we see J7T being uneven. They recommended Tom who openly admits he has suspicions (see also 2:31 later) , but J7T fiercely attack and repeatedly libel other who have suspicions, one summised because they are suspicions+Israyhell.
Tom goes on to warn (in an advisory capacity) that independently formulated alternative narratives ‘need to know what covert-op looks like’. This is curious. Who has proposed an alternative conspiratorial narrative and doesn’t know the history of black-ops? It seems likely to me that anyone concluding 7/7 is a black-op/false-flag, then they would almost certainly have read up on other things like the Reichstag fire, Gulf of Tonkin incident, Nero’s Rome etc. I have extreme doubts someone would compose a narrative of 7/7 with only knowledge of 7/7. Perhaps Tom was alluding to something else, because what he said here isn’t particularly logical.
Tom mentions ‘people have pushed the connection between 9/11 and 7/7 for various reasons’ (???)… ” I wonder what reasons Tom knows of ?, anyway…
36:02
“…Particularly with the 7/7 story, what’s so obvious to me, is the number of red herrings there are {I’ve seen that line almost verbatim elsewhere}..Number of things that just been taken down a particular path and it’s then turned out to be untrue.
Well Tom, I seriously doubt you know of any ‘red-herrings in progress’ but it would be nice of you would share them. A other ‘truthers’ have asserted this red herring thing but of course don’t know of any red herrings in progress or have zero proof (other than a reasonable sense of suspicion). But it makes them look smart by pretending they do KNOW these red herrings. What’s more, by asserting red-herrings are part of the 7/7 narrative, Tom is really strengthening his own suspicions that 7/7 was a black-op’ as red-herrings are deliberate acts. And that’s ok. As a thinking human being, he has the perfect right to have those feelings. It would be wise to wonder who, why and how all ‘those’ red herrings are put in place.
Tom continues:
“and the CCTV is a great example of that. You mentioned the conspiracy files and what you there is they got Nick Kollerstrom (NK) who is one of the people who thinks 7/7 was an inside job, was a covert op, and he’d spent three years basically going around saying there is no CCTV from London…”
Excuse me Tom. While I’m not that up to speed with what exactly NK did in those three years, I suspect it was a lot more than ‘just going around saying’ words which perhaps conjure up some homeless man making wild suggestions. Perhaps this would be a bit more accurate(?): “He’d spent three years personally researching, interviewing, gathering evidence and wirting on the subject in the belief there was no CCTV from London – which given none was released for years, wasn’t such an unreasonable thing to do.” – or “going around saying there is no CCTV from London” If you want to stick to Toms description.
“…those four guys weren’t even in london that day, and claiming that one frame we’d seen from Lution was a fake. So what did they do? They roll out CCTV from Luton showing a nice long stretch of action so, kind of proving that it’s authentic, I mean I suppose the whole thing could be faked, but taking it at face value, and then they show him CCTV of these four guys walking through Kings Cross and he’s flabbergasted, ‘cos he’s been rolled down a cerain path only for them to cut him off.”
Kind of proving it’s authentic? huh? Is it authentic or not? Tom himself later allows for the possiblity that it wasn’t authentic. So Tom, you should really have said perhaps “suggesting the the audience that it was authentic”. Tom again is taking something at face value, which is what NK did before the footage was released – i.e. at face value there wasn’t going to be any footage. And Tom does say various people had requested that exact footage. Tom is impaling himself on his own sword somewhat. To the best of my recollection, the Luton video DOES NOT show the alleged ‘4 bombers’. If you can make them out to me and prove the tape is genuine, then ok, your words make sense.
As for the single frame, MANY people inc some in J7 made statements suggesting the single still frame outside Luton train station was fake, what with bars going through bodies and strange leg dirextions and no distinguishable faces, or if you prefer Toms description again “[NK] claimed the photos were fake” – which by the way there isn’t any proof that they are not fakes!
Maybe Nick did make a boob on the CCTV in London thing. Like any serious investigation, the leading model can then under improvement to fit the known evidence. But of course to those ‘loving liberal’ truthers who hate NK and wouldn’t hesitate to fling muck at him [Nick suspects Israyhelli connections] would use that to dismiss everything NK has ever done or said re 7/7.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn’t it Tom. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that what you find ‘strange’ will eventually be given a palusible explaination. Don’t worry, I’m sure J7T won’t hate you, after all, you don’t mention the “I” word. So readers will have to excuse me for thinking that it wasn’t unreasonable to think there was going to be no CCTV footage. I’d hazard a guess that this crossed almost everyone’s mind at some stage. (c.f. 9/11, pentagon, hotel camera)
The ambiguous approach does have it’s merits, but as I’ve pointed out a couple of times before, it itself is limiting. An alternative narrative based on the facts is inherently closer to the real truth than some amorphous ‘blurr all’ ambiguity. Of course, alternative narratives (subject to human prejudice and biases) can fall foul of information in the hands of people(government) who themselves have an interest in trying to de-rail truth seekers, should the govt be involved with the deliberate killing of civilians. That said, it is mightily peculiar that those in possession of such material (which independent researchers can only scratch and scrape for) can only deliver a narrative that is less plausible than those independent researchers.
It tirns out that Nick probably made a mistake going on a BBC program intent to scorn independent narratives (while glossing over the govt’s Swiss cheese narrative) and J7 didn’t do this to their credit (one wonders why the BBC didn’t take the liberty of picking up on J7’s alternative narratives anyhow). My guess is Nick though he could publicise the problems with the govt’s narrative and show people there was an alternate explanation. But still, we all make mistakes.
Note: If someone proposing a ‘shitty Israyhell’ connection of 7/7 had a name like “alex:g” I can imagine the stinking ridicule that would flow their way from some quarters. Such an “Israyhell’s involved” researcher would also have suspicions flung at him for appearing on the mainstream media.
This interview shows clearly the rank hypocrisy amongst some who call for the truth, oops, I mean the truth(which doesn’t involve Israyhell).
2:31
“When 7/7 happened I instantly felt that this was something that didn’t really didn’t add up, that what what we were being told probably wasn’t true.”
Well done Tom for being honest and humanly flawed like the rest of us and acting on feelings. It matters not what points I make here. Your effort to advance the truth emerging from that day is applauded.
Tom based his documentary on what he said was:
“the reported facts, at least what it is we’ve been told what reports say the media has said”
{Don’t forget the CW shootings folks}
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Finally, that Jaguar, surely that’s a deliberate plant. Surely! I can’t believe the police(?) pouring over that CCTV and scruitinising it for month upon month, would not have ‘seen’ the issue of the Jag.
And what do you know, A car which appreas to be a Jag AMAZINGLY appears what also amazingly looks like a blue micra parked in Luton train station, in a helpful “visual aid” for readers see: J7T picture contained in the post A Nissan Micra Tardis?
Here’s some more of Tom’s words:
“When 7/7 happened I instantly [my emphasis] felt that this was something that didn’t really didn’t add up, that what what we were being told probably wwasn’t true.”
Now if certain people said “Jewish” money here, they’d get all the usual pig-muck thrown their way, but even if one was to caveat what Hersh said for him, that pig-muck would come ones way too because one simply posted Hersh saying what he did.
– Much wisdom here, although I disagree with the description of Israyhell being a sovereign state.
You tube description: It’s Israeli Apartheid Week in Winnipeg, Canada and many other cities and towns around the world. In Winnipeg, Israeli Apartheid Week 2011 is taking place on the campuses of the University of Manitoba and the University of Winnipeg.
This clip features a presentation by Howard S. Davidson, Associate Professor of Extended Education at the University of Manitoba and member of Independent Jewish Voices (Canada). He spoke at a workshop entitled “Israeli Apartheid 101” at the University of Winnipeg on March 14, 2011.
Professor Davidson demolishes the arguments of pro-Israel apologists who equate support for Palestinian rights with anti-Semitism. Further, he demonstrates that the term “Israeli apartheid” is a legitimate part of the political discourse in Israel, even while those who use it in Canada and the United States are vilified by Israel’s North American supporters.
Maybe some people, who really should know much much better, can see something in here of their own behaviour that can learn from. Recent experience however, seriously makes me doubt that.
You can see some footage of these alleged snipers (murderous assassins is a better description I feel) at Information Clearing House: Who Are These Snipers In Syria? (Video) These videos are said to show devastating head shots by snipers in Syria.
If you read the comments, you will see suggestions that these snipers are Israyhelli snipers. The more I think about that, the more annoyance I feel, No, not because I have any sympathy for that filthy murderous imposter of a once magnificent God fearing state (thousands of years ago), because I don’t. I want to see Israyhell wiped from the political map and those Zionist activists hung from a slowly constricting rope.
What I find annoying is something I’ve seen in “alternative view” holding people for some time now [note: it hasn’t escaped me that this could be a result of manipulation]. These people can only think in binary. They can only entertain one of two views. Anything more than that and well… meltdown.
In their minds, those Israyhelli snipers can just march into Syria and do anything they want. Of course there is no Syrians who ever have had this training. Oh no! Never. There are no forces; military/paramilitary/police that have long harassed the people. That tanks are mobilised right now against the people protesting isn’t in fact a sign that these snipers being Syrian is wholly consistent.
Stupid idiots.
Bipolarised fools in denial of a tyrannical regime trying to retain its grip onto power. Power which has seen the anti-human actions of the Israyhell pass with impunity. Syria has been struck my Israyhelli missiles a numbr of times. Syria did nothing. Assad is probably paid to do nothing. The guy’s a schmuck as some NY Jew might say.
Over the years, credible stories about Syrian collusion in the USUK’s ‘extraordinary rendition’ program, e.g. Maher Arar. Oh, but don’t let your bipolar disorder switch off here, please, label him as a CIA agent or something crap like that. Go on, deny his torture. Tell you what you enter those Syrian torture dungeons or Egyptian dungeons, or Tunisian totrure dungeons and get yourself beaten black and blue, lashed with shredded cables.he was a US plant right? Then come out (if you are lucky enough) and say it never happened.
Who is saying all this Israyhelli agents are on the streets of the Arab countries? Who knows, but it looks well connected to the ACLU. That homosexual ‘tolerance’ promoting body that strangely seems to be speaking out against most instances of USUK fascism than anyone else(good) therefore denying others a voice of opposition groups like Muslims, thereby benefiting from the bipolarisation of people minds and preventing, say, an real Islamic voice from emerging.
Clever sods, and Muslims support them like fish eating the hooked worm.
Mind you, where are the Muslim voices to challenge this homo-foisting ACLU ‘opposition’ group? It’s not like there are actually many Muslims standing up for an equal say. The Muslims are being told to and/or being encouraged by their leaders to shut the hell up and accept whatever crap ges lobbed at you.
These so called self proclaimed leaders are truly miserable. Islamic leadership has never been so utterly crap. And as for these western Imams, oh boy. An arm band float in a pool of lava would be more useful than these people. Well, maybe not. These western Imams who refuse to criticise the hideous acts of their government or these tryants in places like Tunisia, Egypt or Syria etc etc. are actually useful, but not to Muslims or Islam.
It was hilarious to hear one of them issue statements of support to the unarmed ordinary people fighting oppression on the strret of Cairo, while they cowered in the US Embassy: I propose this is used as the new definition of Islamic leadership. Leading you to…
Dear oh dear.
Yeah, this offend some people. At times, ones slumber needs a sharp slap on the face. This is it.
Generally, when I see a worshippers of Marx proselytising, visions of my old Student Union president appear before my eyes and is coupled with a strong feeling of wanting to say to him ‘grow up’. Zizek’s ‘thinking out of the Marx (match)box’ is refreshing, taking those bits Marxism (which by the way Marx likely rehashed cum swiped from Socrates) that are sensible but leaving off the “I ♥ marx” underpants.
It’s going to be interesting to see the atheists expressions of denial morph to horror should they ever have the aptitude to see that their own predictions of turmoil map onto eschatology, but then again, fantasy is deadly seductive.
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