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Go for it Craig

Craig Murray is standing for Parliament.

This from his blog post.

Muslims like me are in a bit of a dilemma. There will be some policies and things Craig supports and will do as an MP (e.g. swear allegiance to the kween – elizardbeth regina II – a cold blooded killer) which are in opposition to my religious faith.

Should I not support him then?

I used to support George Galloway. However his daft continual conflation of Zionism with Judaism, and his pro-homosexuality stance (with regard to traditional faith based understanding of homosexuality) turned me off George. George has done wonders to help the Palestinian people, but from a faith perspective, his stance on homosexuality is wrong.

Craig murray is a libertarian. I pretty much suspect he too will be of a similar p.o.v. to Galloway. Before tempestuousness gets the better of you, I reject homosexuality because I believe that’s what God has decreed. I ain’t gonna argue against God, and submission to God’s will (despite my painful flaws and weaknesses) is a conclusion I’ve reached from thinking about life for many years already.

So is it wrong to support Murray?

Some Muslims argue that Yuseff (Joseph) worked for the Firaoun(pharaoh) so to engage in a non Islamic system of governship is ok, but people who state that are deadly silent when it comes to something like this “If an MP is elected to power due to our votes, and he then votes to (further) liberalise the gay laws, when aren’t we complicit in that? The same would be true of banking/interest and so on.

So while Mr. Murrary stands shoulders about the utterly appalling  bunch of killers and swine in the commons, is it OK to vote for him.

I bet if I ask some scholars they will say yes, yet if I ask other scholars they will say no. I can’t resolve the issue myself.

hummm…

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Quote of the day. Sunday 10th May 2009

In addition to the occasional the news behind ‘da newz’ reports, lwtc247 will once in a while bring you a selection of quotes he comes across.

This makes an excellent start. Craig Murray’s blog which I’m webglued to at the moment.

 

On the revelations of MP’s “expenses” claims, the man himself, Craig Murray says this:

“I am feeling sickened by the deluge of petty greed exposed in MP’s expenses. It is like lifting a big damp stone and stepping back in revulsion at some of the multi-legged creatures squirming underneath.”source

Rating: Classic!

Stolen! – From Craig Murray

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/05/dont_shoot_sama.html#comments

This sums it up pretty much perfectly methinks…

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nobody’s site: http://churchofnobody.blogspot.com/

 

The greatest terrorists are the state sponsored terrorists.

Without so much as a crumb of doubt.

 

On Religion/Alcoholism, some EXCELLENT writings by KevinB: http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/05/the_alcoholism.html

Craig

AA do not religiously indoctrinate in the usual sense of imposing a doctrine of fixed ideas (on people who are indeed very vulnerable). They offer a method for the alcoholic to gain control back over their selves and their lives.

I’m no expert but I believe this starts with admitting that they have no control over their problem and then handing over this problem to a ‘higher power’ (i.e. trusting ‘God’, whatever God is, to help them back to wholeness)

If you do not believe in the existence of a higher power then this approach will always look like a load of rubbish to you.

…..but all this religious language (and even faith itself) is just myriad ways that people have found of accessing and describing their own deepest nature.

If you want to understand the nature of any material substance you must put it under stress of every kind. Heat it, cool it, stretch it squash it, bombard it, break it etc. Then you know what a material is.

For humans too, it seems that the deepest self-revelations almost always occurs at times of greatest stress……when people come to ‘the end of the line’, in near-death experiences etc.

Bill Wilson had his encounter at the absolute nadir of his life. I, and millions like me, have had similar experiences. I felt the ecstasy, the saving grace, the absolute approval, the total acceptance, the wordless understanding. I don’t know what it was that came to me. Let me call it a brief experience of God’s presence. I am not experiencing this thing now, but I know this……It is ALL I want. Near-death experiencers often describe similar feelings and awareness. They are also usually transformed by the experience……in a good way.

Anyone who has been there can tell you that this was the most real experience a person can have…..and if it was real for me it is real for others and is therefore a revelation about our universal human nature….it is there just below the surface in everyone. When you are in this place the feeling of complete connectedness, that in some sense I AM you, the total absence of fear, the fabulous sense of empowerment change a person in a profound way. One gains the strength to accept oneself and deal constructively with one’s life.

Believers like me say there is a God and to offer this idea to our fellows is to offer liberation, self-empowerment and contentment…..not to trap them in a sinister destructive ‘cult’. (I don’t personally do any of this stuff by the way. I just try to defend ‘religious’ people against the Richard Dawkins of this world)

To imagine that people who go out into the world trying to propagate their faith are necessarily some kind of mind-controllers is a gross distortion and, perhaps, wishful thinking…….though it is true that religious nuts and some religious organisations have often abused true loving spirituality under the cover of religious ideas that they (presumably) profoundly misunderstand.

Christianity is under severe attack in this country.

This should not be surprising as the sublime teaching and demands of Christ represent the most serious threat there is to the mind-controlling social-engineering nexus that is feverishly busy trying to occupy (and corrupt)our hearts and minds.

It delivers its subtle tyranny via cod-rationalism, atheistic humanism, extreme permissiveness, legally enforced tolerance, compulsory procedures that are all about inputs not about the justifier ‘outputs’ that are mere pretexts put in place to conceal the real agenda……..that is to render society witless, faithless and helpless in the face of whatever the oligarchical powers that rule us want to deliver……or, more accurately, demand of us.

Only faith and the love of God can defeat these fiends.

Therefore we should rejoice because the battle has already been won in heaven. When humans stop listening to the propaganda and hear the music that sings in their hearts the battle will be won here on earth also.

Posted by: KevinB at May 9, 2009 7:49 PM

 

folluow up:

 

Craig,

When we talk of such things we must admit that in a literal sense we do not understand what we are talking about. We are trying to relate our sense of an extra-dimensional reality.

Talk of ‘God’ likewise…..

…….but even when we describe physics through mathematical language we are really dealing with mental models and ‘metaphors’. There really is no other kind of expressed reality when we try to describe our experience (i.e. something that really happened) because even if you state what is literally true (‘the car hit the wall’) this statement merely generates an image of the event in the consciousness of another. Everything is metaphor.

I have been hit by a car. Nothing too serious. My subjective experience of this incident remains in my consciousness. If I say that the ‘spiritual’ experience I tried to describe above is much more real and powerful in my consciousness then how should I talk about it?

I can admit that I don’t know what it was really. I know it was not merely psychological. Nor the subjective impression of an electro-chemical event……though it was these things too.

I believe that there is a loving affirming reality that exists within and beyond all things. I believe that the power of anything that opposes it is feeble by comparison. I know my own experience but can I claim to ‘know’ what I deduce from my own experience?

We are spiritual beings having a human experience. Our souls survive physical death. I reasonably hope be enveloped in the source of this ecstasy again after death as many people who have ‘died’ and returned claim to have done.

What kind of words must I use?

God?

Heaven?

They’ll have to do.

We are here to get as close to this reality as we can and to bring it to others and to direct our descendants towards it.

Truth, Love, Justice, Beauty?

Will that do?

Are these not the same thing?

Unfortunately, not for everyone….

…….so we surely must look for guidance, for context.

For me, Jesus Christ will have to do. He talked the talk and walked the walk. He identified the perils that threaten us all.

His spiritual guidance was delivered in parables.

Metaphorical enough?

His warnings about the world were timely then and they remain so now.

Do not tolerate the activities of the moneylenders, nor trust the scribes, nor Lawyers, nor Pharisees, those Luciferian priests, creators of the Talmud, who made themselves Gods and invented their own other-hating hegemonic ‘Law’.

If Christ came back he would surely return to preach universalism and save his same people from these same fiends.

We must pray for all who are deliberately wicked…..and love them….

….they can’t stand that….such treatment does not affirm their reality to them.

So mock all you like but,

literally true?

No…..what is?….almost nothing.

But absolutely true. Yes. A million times yes. The light will break through. We will see ourselves as we really are. The hearts of men will turn and make the world anew.

….and as you will surely understand, Craig, the more we believe it the more it is likely to happen.

Literally.

Posted by: KevinB at May 9, 2009 10:44 PM

Chance to help stop people being tortured

The general public are DAMN lazy, looking for all sorts of excuses not to do anything while millions starve, and millions are diaplaced and killed by Bush, Bliar, Brown and now Obama’s bombs.

 

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Craig Murray, ex-UK ambassador to Uzbekistan is appealing for you to write to the UK Parliamentary Joint Committee for Human Rights to request that they accept his offer to gove evidence. Evidence which DOES show the UK government knowing used ‘information’ form torturing people. And characterisitic of the UK governmnet, they tried to cover it up afterwards.

 

So come on, read his page entry HEREMarch 4, 2009, Your Help Needed – Reveal Torture to Stop It, http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/03/your_help_neede.html ) and stop pretending there’s nothing you can do.

 

You can get an good idea of ‘how to do it’ by reading Craig’s post,
and then reading examples of letters people posted in the comments section of his post.

 

Most people (apart from the ZUSUK spooks who periodically fish my blog) are geared towards activism anyway, but if you haven’t put your toe in the water, NOW IS A BRILLIANT TIME.

A Short Speech by Craig Murray.

 

A Short Speech by Craig Murray.

(World Can’t Wait forum(?), USA, 2nd Oct?)

Source: http://www.worldcantwait.net/av/10-2/craigmurray.mp3

Something worthy of being transcribed – like most of what the superb Craig Murray does and says. An compassionate human amongst devils. – lwtc247

I was British Ambassador in Uzbekistan, central Asia, Immediately North of Afghanistan. I had been in the country for two weeks when I went to attend a dissident trial. Some gentlemen were charged with terrorism, membership of a group connected to Al-Qaeda, and a variety of terrorists acts.

I can only compare the atmosphere of that trial to one of Hitler’s show trials. The judge was screaming and haranguing the defendants, and making gratuitous anti-Islamic remarks like “how could you find time to commit so many crimes when you have to stop to prey 5 time a day”

They were surrounded in that courtroom, they were emaciated, beaten, they were sat on a low bench 3 off the floor in a sort of humiliated position and something happened that set me on the path that lead me here.

an old man had given evidence that two of the accused who were his nephews, were members of Al-Qaeda and had travelled to Afghanistan and met with Osama bin Laden in person. This old man was giving his evidence and he was a very bowed and defeated figure. He was obviously terrified, he was old and quite frail and giving his evidence in court, and suddenly, he seemed to find an inner strength. Suddenly courage came to him, and he stood taller and he said in a much louder voice “This is not true. This is not true. They tortured my children in front of me until I signed this statement. We are good Muslims but we are poor farmers from Anderjan. What do we know about Osama bin Laden?” and as I sat in that courtroom, as it happened I was within a yard of him as he spoke – I could have touched him. And you could tell at that moment he was speaking the truth. and he must have known that he was very likely signing his own death warrant when he said that in that court, because the Uzbek regime is an appalling totalitarian regime.

Very shortly after that, I obtained on my desk, an envelope with photos of a dead man, who had been, he we was one of some 10,000 political prisoners in Uzbekistan. His body had been returned to his mother for burial. She had taken photos of it which came to me. I sent them off the UK for pathological report. The report came back and it said that his fingernails had been pulled out, he had been beaten about the face and neck, and he had died of immersion in boiling liquid and it was immersion not splashing because there was a clear tide-line around the upper torso and upper limbs and 100% scalding underneath.

This regime that boils people alive, I was under instructions, I was British Ambassador, I was never to speak in public without starting by saying “how grateful we were to that regime for its cooperation in the war on terror and the fight against Islamic fundamentalism and how grateful we were that it was a member of the coalition of the willing, and had sent a small contingent to Iraq.

President Karimov has had tea in the white house with President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld visited three times while I was there, and in that year that guy was boiled to death, 2002, the United States gave over 500 million dollars in US taxpayers money to the Uzbek regime, 120 millions dollars of that the Uzbek armed forces and over 82 million dollars to be precise to the Uzbek security services. When they boiled that guy to death, the American paid to heat the water.

At the same time, at the same time as British Ambassador, I was seeing CIA intelligence coming out of the country. Once Uzbeks realized that I was taking an interest and trying to do something about this human rights abuses, they came to me with their stories, and we built up a dossier of hundreds of cases of people who had been tortured. We met some of the people themselves, we met their families, we had letters smuggled out of the prisons, we had photographic evidence and we also found what they were having to do when they were tortured. They were having to confess to membership of Al Qaeda or groups linked to Al-Qaeda. they were very often having to confess to having gone to Afghanistan and having met Osama bin Laden, and they were having to sign up to long lists of other people who they had to say were members of al0-qaeda, very often not always in Uzbekistan – these could be people in the United States, in the UK, where ever. Very often the person being tortured had never head of these people. But if they are plunging your arm in boiling liquid, if there raping your daughter in front of your eyes until you sign, and all those things happened… you sign!

And at the same time as British ambassador, under the US UK intelligence sharing agreement, I was seeing the CIA intelligence coming out of Uzbekistan, and the CIA intelligence, came from the Uzbek security services. It came out of those torture chambers and it said exactly the same stuff. There were long lists of members of Al-Qaeda and it was vastly exaggerating the threat from Islamic extremism in Uzbekistan. In fact, there was hardly any Islamic extremism in Uzbekistan until the US government started supporting the dictatorship and that’s the kind of stupidity which causes the terror they claim to be fighting.

Much of the CIA material was demonstrably wring. I recall for example CIA material about a man who was said to be a member of Al-Qaeda and I knew him and he was a Jehovah’s witness. The CIA intelligence material was so firm, they have Jehovah’s Witnesses as Al-Qaeda members. I don’t think al-Qaeda even tried to recruit Jehovah’s Witnesses, almost certainly Jehovah’s Witnesses would try to recruit Al-Qaeda if they could find them.

But the purpose of this false intelligence was to build up a threat of Islamic extremism and exaggerate it. and when you hear again and again and again, that intelligence is why people, Muslims in the UK and US, are continually being arrested in their thousands under anti-terrorism legislation, and that the arrests are based on intelligence, remember that that can be product of a torture cell, anywhere around the world under the extraordinary rendition programme. And that’s what this legalisation of torture means. It doesn’t just mean an appalling term, Bush isn’t a neoconservative, this is neo-medieval-ism, neo-medieval-ism! They brought back torture and they brought back the crusades and they are trying to demonise Muslims and cause Islamaphobia by ratcheting up the fear scale again and again and again with terror plots which I can tell you from first hand experience are often completely fabricated and we are not going to fall for it any more.

And it’s used to erode our civil rights and characterise Muslims as non-humans, so when they arrest and torture Muslims we will accept it. So when they tell us that habeas corpus is gone we will accept it, so that when they invade Muslim to get their oil and gas we will accept it.

Well we have seen through it! We are not accepting it any more!

It is the anti-war movement in the United kingdom that has caused Tony Blair to have to leave three years before he wanted to.

The architects of this crusade are being driven out. Aznar has gone, Berlusconi has gone, Blair has gone and now Bush will go.

Thank you.


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